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 GaroRobe wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

TBH though I was kinda hoping to see the army box or the units, as they make up most of the army.

Same. I figured it was going to be Fulgrim, or god forbid, just Lucius, but a part of me was hoping they'd show off the upcoming boxset and then end it by teasing Fulgrim.

It's not a short wait for said box set however, so it was incredibly optimistic to hope for that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, the sword mentioned in the article. Anyone know the significance of it?

A gift from Ferris Manos apparently

And the curvey sword may be the missing Eldar Cronesword, one of 5 made frome the fingers of a goddess' hand

PenitentJake wrote:The FW version is $345 CAD, which makes the product garbage, no matter how good it looks.

What are you blathering on about?

PenitentJake wrote:Honestly?

If someone bought the resin Fulgrim for me, I'd probably smash it into a thousand pieces in rage after my 27th hour of trying to hold the wings in position long enough for the glue to set.

Or, if someone was so generous, y'know, you could a, grow up; and b, do some research on how to work with a material before diving in. Heck, this might even be a use case for the Citadel Color Assembly Stand - or at least some pins, maybe some magnets.

Dudeface wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

TBH though I was kinda hoping to see the army box or the units, as they make up most of the army.

Same. I figured it was going to be Fulgrim, or god forbid, just Lucius, but a part of me was hoping they'd show off the upcoming boxset and then end it by teasing Fulgrim.

It's not a short wait for said box set however, so it was incredibly optimistic to hope for that.

We’ll, it’ll probably be out about a month before Fulgrim is.

 Dysartes wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:The FW version is $345 CAD, which makes the product garbage, no matter how good it looks.

What are you blathering on about?

I presume that's the price in Canadian $s.

I don't see Fulgrim listed when I toggle it to Cananda, but the US site says he's $275.
Run that through a currency converter and you get.... $396.44 atm {3:42pm/12/26/2024} (ouch!)

The blathering was referring to describing the FW Fulgrim as garbage, just because of the price point.

 Dysartes wrote:
The blathering was referring to describing the FW Fulgrim as garbage, just because of the price point.

...and the material. PenitentJake has made it clear that they have no love for resin - at least where large wings are concerned.

Nice model, but feels a bit like a wish version of the fw one. The faces are pretty bad though....

I really think people will be surprised how good those faces look when some non-'eavy metal painters get their hands on them. Guess we'll see!

 Dysartes wrote:
The blathering was referring to describing the FW Fulgrim as garbage, just because of the price point.

Fair call- harsher than I intended be. I scrolled back because usually I only escalate my language when others do the same... But there must've been a bee in my bonnet when I wrote the post, because I didn't find anything to justify my own negativity.

To clarify: the Fw Fulgrim is a beautiful model, but its significantly higher price and the skill required to build it make it a poor choice for me personally compared to the sweet plastic that's coming.

Having compared the 2 models for a bit, I think the new Fulgrim is distinctly inferior to the FW version. The face, snake body and pose are far better on the FW model (the wings look better too, but the plastic version's wings are clearly more practical). The lack of scales on the plastic model is a big minus, IMO. It's still an impressive model, and I bet we see some fantastic conversions once people get their hands on it.

I don't think there's really much difference between the two. It's mostly aesthetic.

I actually think the fw one's pose is a little stiff with the face looking down in a weird way.

FW has great wings at full extension, but gw have un-extended wings so they look smaller (angron has similarly compacted wings) making it hard to compare them.

I'm ambivalent on the scales - the GW one's smoother skin looks more like a seeker or fiend which ties it to slanneshi demons more than the scales do.

I don't find the aesthetics of the fw one superior to the GW one and the sculpts seem pretty equivalent otherwise.

It would help the framing and silhouette if he had fully extended wings like Fulgrim Transfigured, but for practical purposes and easy distinction I can understand why that didn't happen.

I'm not going to knock Fulgrim Transfigured to make a point, but it's a sculpt that feels like part of an incomplete diorama, designed to have some unseen element in front of it (not uncommon for the Horus Heresy Character Series), and while Transfigured does have a more impressive, subtle head sculpt, I don't think it's a faux pas for me to say the slight difference in quality between the models isn't going to come up in a meaningful way for the majority of people who paint it. Seems like a disproportionate amount of fuss kicked up over something very benign.

But hey, I'll probably never get around to buying and painting either of them, so what does it matter

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I'm not going to knock Fulgrim Transfigured to make a point, but it's a sculpt that feels like part of an incomplete diorama, designed to have some unseen element in front of it (not uncommon for the Horus Heresy Character Series), and while Transfigured does have a more impressive, subtle head sculpt, I don't think it's a faux pas for me to say the slight difference in quality between the models isn't going to come up in a meaningful way for the majority of people who paint it. Seems like a disproportionate amount of fuss kicked up over something very benign.

Interesting point. Agreed that for most people the differences will be immaterial - and that the cost of the FW model (and the fact it's resin) will make the plastic version a no-brainer for the majority. As for the 'fuss' - these large character models always seem to attract quite a lot of comment.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I really think people will be surprised how good those faces look when some non-'eavy metal painters get their hands on them. Guess we'll see!

I'm not seeing the issue with the quality of the GW painter in this case, but the hair is probably the biggest issue as it makes Fulgrim look more like a Ynnari character - probably a Drukhari deity of some kind. Which...is actually quite cool? But as a Chaos Marine Primarch I'd definitely opt for the Helmet to make it clearer what team he's playing for...

I think I would go for a much more pale snake body, and his armour a dark purple rather than completely gold. I think I'd also add those two Demonettes from the "The Contorted Epitome" as his cheer leaders...

 Dysartes wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:The FW version is $345 CAD, which makes the product garbage, no matter how good it looks.

What are you blathering on about?

PenitentJake wrote:Honestly?

If someone bought the resin Fulgrim for me, I'd probably smash it into a thousand pieces in rage after my 27th hour of trying to hold the wings in position long enough for the glue to set.

Or, if someone was so generous, y'know, you could a, grow up; and b, do some research on how to work with a material before diving in. Heck, this might even be a use case for the Citadel Color Assembly Stand - or at least some pins, maybe some magnets.

Hyperboles? On the internets? Well I never!

Suffice to say I think Penitent Jake's comment translates as "I find resin frustrating to work with and tend to avoid it" rather than "I will smash any resin models I find".

I love, love the Arvus Lighter design but never bought it in resin, can't wait to get it in plastic.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I really think people will be surprised how good those faces look when some non-'eavy metal painters get their hands on them. Guess we'll see!

I'm not seeing the issue with the quality of the GW painter in this case, but the hair is probably the biggest issue as it makes Fulgrim look more like a Ynnari character - probably a Drukhari deity of some kind. Which...is actually quite cool? But as a Chaos Marine Primarch I'd definitely opt for the Helmet to make it clearer what team he's playing for...

I think I would go for a much more pale snake body, and his armour a dark purple rather than completely gold. I think I'd also add those two Demonettes from the "The Contorted Epitome" as his cheer leaders...

Just to be clear, not a jab at the quality (I'm garbage, so no judging from me) - the 'eavy metal painters are spectacularly skilled - but their approach is very much for showing details in a very specific way for GW style photography over anything else. It's not for everyone. A Richard Gray or an Andy Wardle etc will make it look far better (imo). I've seen plenty of models look bad in GW photography and then look spectacular when others get their hands on it and paint it in different styles

I see what you mean - artists have different styles.

I liked the pics of the model, but it looks even better in the video, and you can see the wings are better proportioned that the pics makes them out to be


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/videos/uzzk3bdn/revel-in-excess-this-christmas-warhammer-40000/

It's definitely one of those sculpts I'll want to see

a) in person
b) in a different paint style

I can't tell you how many miniatures I had initially misjudged due to their unfortunate pretentation or lack of pictures for their alternate builds.

Its a pretty safe bet there will be a community article showing different painting styles for Fulgrim and the new marines once we get close to release.

Okay, so the cat known as Fulgrim is now out the bag, and there's a possibility that his buddies will be shown on new years day. Hopes or Expections for what might be revealed?

SamusDrake wrote:
Okay, so the cat known as Fulgrim is now out the bag, and there's a possibility that his buddies will be shown on new years day. Hopes or Expections for what might be revealed?

I fully expect we'll see a full release of the warriors and such coming "fairly soon" as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ. They teased parts in the run up to Christmas and then Fulgrim on the very day so I'd expect a swift preview of the core models and then a swiftish release window appearing

Hopes? EC army launch box, with new noise marines and various other pervy goodies. Worst-case scenario? Noise marines.

SamusDrake wrote:
Okay, so the cat known as Fulgrim is now out the bag, and there's a possibility that his buddies will be shown on new years day. Hopes or Expections for what might be revealed?

I expect a silhouette in a montage to Gonna Fly Now with stuff from the first few months of 2025.

 Overread wrote:

I fully expect we'll see a full release of the warriors and such coming "fairly soon" as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ. They teased parts in the run up to Christmas and then Fulgrim on the very day so I'd expect a swift preview of the core models and then a swiftish release window appearing

I'm hoping for a New Year's Day spoiler for the basic EC marines, maybe the box.

Not sure what you mean by 'as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ' though. Do you think they're sat there over Christmas finishing things off? The work will have been completed months ago.

soviet13 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I fully expect we'll see a full release of the warriors and such coming "fairly soon" as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ. They teased parts in the run up to Christmas and then Fulgrim on the very day so I'd expect a swift preview of the core models and then a swiftish release window appearing

I'm hoping for a New Year's Day spoiler for the basic EC marines, maybe the box.

Not sure what you mean by 'as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ' though. Do you think they're sat there over Christmas finishing things off? The work will have been completed months ago.

Whilst design work will have been done ages ago, its not impossible that things can go wrong.

Ships can get stuck in canals and cause shipping delays; other releases can suddenly eat up the release slots as management shuffles around marketing focus; damaged/faulty products (eg boxes printed overseas) might not be found until they arrive; local sewage systems can rupture and flood the warehouse*

So yeah things happen which can cause what would, on the outside, appear to be when a release slot will be; to suddenly get shunted weeks or months later. Many times we might not even know if its something that doesn't hit the main news and GW doesn't report on


*yes that happened - that's why there was a bunch of stock destroyed that got stolen - a load of FW models that appeared on ebay along with the Eldar collectible coins that never got a retail release and were, again, supposed to be destroyed and someone just stole to sell on ebay).

soviet13 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I fully expect we'll see a full release of the warriors and such coming "fairly soon" as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ. They teased parts in the run up to Christmas and then Fulgrim on the very day so I'd expect a swift preview of the core models and then a swiftish release window appearing

I'm hoping for a New Year's Day spoiler for the basic EC marines, maybe the box.

Not sure what you mean by 'as long as everything goes smooth at GW HQ' though. Do you think they're sat there over Christmas finishing things off? The work will have been completed months ago.

Anything on New Year is likely to just be silhouettes of a few models rather than proper reveals, based on previous years. LVO is only mid January though so hopefully not too long til we see more properly!

Given we've seen reveals for the Guard and the Eldar, I think we can comfortably say the EC will be released after them - do we think they'll be about before the Imperial Knight book, though?

 Dysartes wrote:
Given we've seen reveals for the Guard and the Eldar, I think we can comfortably say the EC will be released after them - do we think they'll be about before the Imperial Knight book, though?

Three big releases with Krieg, Eldar and EC back to back would probably be a bit too much and Knights (and probably Chaos Knights) would fit perfectly into the downtime in between.

I expect the Krieg army set any week now and then probably even Eldar first before the full Krieg release (Roadmap dates have been related to army sets until now so Krieg army set before full Eldar release and then full Krieg release would still fulfill the Krieg first in the roadmap)
If that happens like this I expect Eldar at the end of January/start of February with the full Krieg wave in February/March. Knights of both types could then take up the time in between and I expect EC at the end of April