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 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm worried that this might lead to the end of the regular DG Chaos Lord being in the army, as well as all of the options for gear he had. The model doesn't look bad from what I can tell, but I'm not sure if it's all that necessary to the army. Also, Death Guard don't need more leaders, but rather more troops choices like a replacement for Possessed.

Gellar pox could partially fill that role for when the sprues leave Kill Team's classified list. Wouldn't be far off the accursed cultists.

A bunch of Nurglings standing on each other's shoulders to wear suits of power armour would be a nice unit.

I consider myself comically anti-Nurgle, and even I think Death Guard deserve more than just yet another character.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm worried that this might lead to the end of the regular DG Chaos Lord being in the army, as well as all of the options for gear he had. The model doesn't look bad from what I can tell, but I'm not sure if it's all that necessary to the army. Also, Death Guard don't need more leaders, but rather more troops choices like a replacement for Possessed.

Gellar pox could partially fill that role for when the sprues leave Kill Team's classified list. Wouldn't be far off the accursed cultists.

Bloat For The Bloat God might be on brand for Nurgle, but this is a prime example of the problem caused by every colour of (spiky) Marines getting snowflake rules.

Green Spiky Marines lost access to Possessed for no lore reason, so they should be replaced by Gellerpox to duplicate the role of Accursed Cultists

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm worried that this might lead to the end of the regular DG Chaos Lord being in the army, as well as all of the options for gear he had. The model doesn't look bad from what I can tell, but I'm not sure if it's all that necessary to the army. Also, Death Guard don't need more leaders, but rather more troops choices like a replacement for Possessed.

Gellar pox could partially fill that role for when the sprues leave Kill Team's classified list. Wouldn't be far off the accursed cultists.

Bloat For The Bloat God might be on brand for Nurgle, but this is a prime example of the problem caused by every colour of (spiky) Marines getting snowflake rules.

Green Spiky Marines lost access to Possessed for no lore reason, so they should be replaced by Gellerpox to duplicate the role of Accursed Cultists

I don't know if it's a problem as such, we all know GW want to strip away stuff that doesn't have a range appropriate mini so a nurgle lord is probably not a bad release, nor is it bloating entries in reality.

That said I do agree with those above that they need more units, not characters, but that's true of a lot of armies released 6th ed onwards.

If the shown spure was at least something with options like some of the Eldar or Space Marine chars recently I'd be willing to take it, but just another monopose probably resulting in every DG Lord suddenly being equipped with plasma pistol and whatever he hides there is... bad.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
If the shown spure was at least something with options like some of the Eldar or Space Marine chars recently I'd be willing to take it, but just another monopose probably resulting in every DG Lord suddenly being equipped with plasma pistol and whatever he hides there is... bad.

I can't really see how it matters too much, if you were using a bolt pistol enjoy a free upgrade. The size of the sword suggests it'll be heavier than a standard accursed weapon so that might be a result too for a lot of people. Fixed loadout = model as you please.

Fixed loadout = dull as dishwater, even dishwater that's been sat around long enough for stuff to start growing in it.

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface.

 Dysartes wrote:
Fixed loadout = dull as dishwater, even dishwater that's been sat around long enough for stuff to start growing in it.

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface.

I'm not going to criticise anything that doesn't require it either. If there's a "best" loadout, which invariably there is, that's the one you'll see 75+% of the time regardless and get called out for not taking the "best" loadout.

Having the option between gak gun a and gak gun b on a melee character isn't exactly the spice of life.

That's still 25% of players enjoying additional options, which is a net improvement over zero options. Now imagine GW, by some miracle, achieve something approaching internal loadout balance. One can dream...

Dudeface wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Fixed loadout = dull as dishwater, even dishwater that's been sat around long enough for stuff to start growing in it.

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface.

I'm not going to criticise anything that doesn't require it either. If there's a "best" loadout, which invariably there is, that's the one you'll see 75+% of the time regardless and get called out for not taking the "best" loadout.

Having the option between gak gun a and gak gun b on a melee character isn't exactly the spice of life.

Only because there's no points difference between loadouts now. If better loadouts cost more points than less 'optimal' ones, both would have a place.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Fixed loadout = dull as dishwater, even dishwater that's been sat around long enough for stuff to start growing in it.

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface.

I'm not going to criticise anything that doesn't require it either. If there's a "best" loadout, which invariably there is, that's the one you'll see 75+% of the time regardless and get called out for not taking the "best" loadout.

Having the option between gak gun a and gak gun b on a melee character isn't exactly the spice of life.

Only because there's no points difference between loadouts now. If better loadouts cost more points than less 'optimal' ones, both would have a place.

History here shows this isn't the case largely. Either the plasma pistol is the better choice and worth the points or you never fire it and it is never taken. Either the powerfist etc. Is ubiquitous because it's innately better into most of the game, or it isn't and you keep the base weapon etc.

Outside of that, you fall into "well i want the rules to reflect the model" group, which ok, this kit doesn't have a bolt pistol, but you can model it with one and you get the better weapon free. Or it's the placebo effect of being able to fandangle 2-10 points in the list.

Obviously I don't think the same way as many but having stuff for the sakes of stuff isn't by default better imo.

Just because GW is bad at balancing points historically, that doesn't mean that a competent writer couldn't/shouldn't balance them.

Don't most systems have points for gear as balancing options anyway?
GW's obsession with simplification (which ended up just making list building boring anyway, and the game is STILL way too long and more convoluted than it needs to be) is a downside, not an advantage.

In most games that have equipment points are used to balance out the choices.

GW honestly feel like the 3 year cycle and mandate to always have it be newfresh/different/easier kind of fails because of inherent problems in their system

Eg making the game simpler and easier to balance is defeated by the fact that instead of refining it every 3 years they chuck all the work out and start over.
There are also clearly some favoured management driven ideas such as power-levels which GW have been pushing for years and finally got their way this year by just renaming them into points and removing the old point system.


Sure its quicker and easier to build a list but you know what - having a good layout to the codex (you know like they used to do back in 3rded) can remove a LOT of the difficulty and work.

Having a fixed system would also mean that any app they pay to develop would, you know, actually work between editions and so forth.

Most games that use points to balance gear loadout are basically imitating or influejced by GW style rules systems though, so thats not really saying much. My experience though is that most games generally dont have optional loadouts or severely curtail and limit those options.

The only other set of major games that i can think of which allow flexibility to the same extent as GWs are the FFG/AMG Star Wars games.

Who wants some Kreigers and/or battlefield trophies?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

chaos0xomega wrote:
My experience though is that most games generally dont have optional loadouts or severely curtail and limit those options.

The only other set of major games that i can think of which allow flexibility to the same extent as GWs are the FFG/AMG Star Wars games.

In the fantasy/scifi setting I'd agree most games are 1 set of stats per model with perhaps a few having some optional parts here and there.
Some do extremes - eg Warmachine often had single stats for most things but then the leader could choose different spells for the battle.
Infinity has a LOT of weapon options but only 1 model per unit with sometimes getting a new model that might replace the old one in the lineup with a different weapon (so functionally for new people again 1 weapon choice only on the model) or might for a time sit side by side. Of course this means that the Infinity market is very much used to proxies for weapons.


Most games don't have GW's modular model approach. Of course over time GW's modular approach has backfired on them. In the 3rd ed and 2nd ed days lots of modularity worked great because you only had a few model kits per side so there was room for lots of variations. Today, esp in 40K; most armies have very big model rosters and you don't need as many multi-weapon kits because the specialists in certain roles are better choices. So I can see why GW have started pulling out some modularity and putting in mono-option models.

Even if sometimes it feels grossly heavy handed and bizzar - such as taking ALL the Tyranid Warrior Close Combat weapons away and leaving them with just a generic close combat profile for close combat



However GW has been doing the same in AoS as well- someone at GW really hates the idea of different weapon profiles.

 xttz wrote:
Who wants some Kreigers and/or battlefield trophies?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

The krieg box feels like it might suck for what is likely a £130ish price tag.

Unless they are bolters. In that case you get a lot of profiles. You got normal bolters, accurate bolters, slight bigger bolters, even bigger bolters, bolters that shoot fire, slightly bigger bolters with larger magazines that shoot more, evil double barrelled bolters, good double barrelled bolters, wrist mounted bolters, bolters on a stick.
I think there's a plague bolter, I lost count.

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Who wants some Kreigers and/or battlefield trophies?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

The krieg box feels like it might suck for what is likely a £130ish price tag.

codex first being available in a box with such specific models seems substantially *worse* with Guard than with most other armies, too.

Getting this box will come down to the price. I dont need the codex, just interested in the models. If the savings are significant, I'll bite, otherwise I'll wait for the individual kits. These guys will be playable in 2nd edition as is.

OTOH, if its a limited edition guard dex, perhaps one can get some recoupment from reselling it..

I do not need to start a Krieg Army
I do not need to start a Krieg Army
I do not need to start a Krieg Army
I do not need to start a Krieg Army


Excuse me I just have to keep repeating this mantra to myself to make sure my brain gets the message!

 Overread wrote:
I do not need to start a Krieg Army
I do not need to start a Krieg Army
I do not need to start a Krieg Army
I do not need to start a Krieg Army


Excuse me I just have to keep repeating this mantra to myself to make sure my brain gets the message!

Sorry, I noticed an error in your post, so I fixed it for you.

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Who wants some Kreigers and/or battlefield trophies?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

The krieg box feels like it might suck for what is likely a £130ish price tag.

Yeah, I'm not terribly impressed with this box.

This box makes sense for someone like me, who already has bought 2 boxes of KT21 Krieg, 1 Sentinel and 1 HH Malcador. With this box, I'm already well past a combat patrol, just some more support weapons, tanks (say, a HH Russ or two) and the upcoming command squad and I'll already have a good backbone for an army. Obviously not so good for someone who wants to spam tanks or infantry but yeh

GrosseSax wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Who wants some Kreigers and/or battlefield trophies?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

The krieg box feels like it might suck for what is likely a £130ish price tag.

Yeah, I'm not terribly impressed with this box.

But what about the models inside the box?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Who wants some Kreigers and/or battlefield trophies?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

The krieg box feels like it might suck for what is likely a £130ish price tag.

Yeah, I'm not terribly impressed with this box.

But what about the models inside the box?

They're clearly free, so its great value.
130 for thin cardboard is a bit much though. I'm not even sure a cat would enjoy it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Unless they are bolters. In that case you get a lot of profiles. You got normal bolters, accurate bolters, slight bigger bolters, even bigger bolters, bolters that shoot fire, slightly bigger bolters with larger magazines that shoot more, evil double barrelled bolters, good double barrelled bolters, wrist mounted bolters, bolters on a stick.
I think there's a plague bolter, I lost count.

Theyve heavily standardized that as of late. Intercessors used to have access to three different varieties of bolt rifle, now theres only one. Heavy intercessors had access to 6 varieties between heavy bolt rifles and heavy bolters, now its just 2 (one of each).

chaos0xomega wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Unless they are bolters. In that case you get a lot of profiles. You got normal bolters, accurate bolters, slight bigger bolters, even bigger bolters, bolters that shoot fire, slightly bigger bolters with larger magazines that shoot more, evil double barrelled bolters, good double barrelled bolters, wrist mounted bolters, bolters on a stick.
I think there's a plague bolter, I lost count.

Theyve heavily standardized that as of late. Intercessors used to have access to three different varieties of bolt rifle, now theres only one. Heavy intercessors had access to 6 varieties between heavy bolt rifles and heavy bolters, now its just 2 (one of each).

A shame KT24 never got the memo, all the bolt rifle varieties are still available there