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 BorderCountess wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Rough Riders came out of Legends. Theres been some others but i cant recall which. Also several units which came back but slightly chamged (DKoK Engineers iirc).

I probably should have used the word 'models'. Rough Riders got new models to go with those new rules.

Has anything come out of Legends without getting a new model?

Karanak!

I bring you some whispers from the warp. You may decide for yourselves if they are truth, or heresy.

World Eaters

New Blessings of Khorne list:
Reroll charges
Fight on death 4+
Consolidate / pile in 6"
Sustained
Lethal
Dev wounds versus infantry
(Advance & Charge, FNP, +2" move all gone)

Zerker squads are 10-20 models
Invocatus gives deep strike & ability to ignore enemy models when moving

Death Guard

Army will be more Elite, similar to Custodes
All Detachments will be good
Cultist, Termi Lords, Termi Sorcerer will be gone
Mortarion will lose his Ignore Modifiers Aura (Pretty Easy guess with the Fulgrim VS Mortarion article floating around here). Points will go up, Will be able to kill 10-12 Marines in a single turn. Will be very strong but wont be a must take.
Deathshroud Termies can drop within 6 Inches and Charge, T7
Blightlord Termies have 2 Damage Melee and Extra Strength and AP when shooting within Contagion range, T7
T6 Plague Marines, New ability
Iconbearer may have an ability similar to the current Helbrute

Ah, yeah no legends is a one way street, unless you count Karanak being marked legends and then unlehended like two weeks later

Otherwise Overread is technically correct - Several Old World armies were AoS legends armies that got unlegended as Old World armies, but thats definitely not what you meant.

Actually there might be some Horus Heresy stuff that was legends until it wasnt without new models. IIRC Brass Scorpions and some of the other daemon engines were marked as legends units and then subsequently got updated non-legends rules without a corresponding miniature release.


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 xttz wrote:
I bring you some whispers from the warp. You may decide for yourselves if they are truth, or heresy.

World Eaters

New Blessings of Khorne list:
Reroll charges
Fight on death 4+
Consolidate / pile in 6"
Sustained
Lethal
Dev wounds versus infantry
(Advance & Charge, FNP, +2" move all gone)

Zerker squads are 10-20 models
Invocatus gives deep strike & ability to ignore enemy models when moving

Death Guard

Army will be more Elite, similar to Custodes
All Detachments will be good
Cultist, Termi Lords, Termi Sorcerer will be gone
Mortarion will lose his Ignore Modifiers Aura (Pretty Easy guess with the Fulgrim VS Mortarion article floating around here). Points will go up, Will be able to kill 10-12 Marines in a single turn. Will be very strong but wont be a must take.
Deathshroud Termies can drop within 6 Inches and Charge, T7
Blightlord Termies have 2 Damage Melee and Extra Strength and AP when shooting within Contagion range, T7
T6 Plague Marines, New ability
Iconbearer may have an ability similar to the current Helbrute

After cutting 20 model units in so many other armies, including csm, I have trouble believing theyd give berzerkers the option.

chaos0xomega wrote:

After cutting 20 model units in so many other armies, including csm, I have trouble believing theyd give berzerkers the option.

It helps sell more berzerker models!

Karanak honestly feels like he got caught in the crossfire.


GW management are clearly enforcing some hard lines between their different product brands right now. AoS and Old World are being forced apart as much as they can. To the point they brought back models like the old Marauders instead of simply put round bases in the current AoS pack of updated models.

This is clearly a top down directive aimed at making sales easier to tie to specific brands in their house - which likely helps feed into marketing, finances and a bunch of other elements. IT's not all bad, but it does lead to choices that are company not hobby driven.



I feel like GW are going to "soft" do this to demons for 40K and AoS. I say soft because they can't just replace all the models for one game instantly and they can't cut them all out either. So I think Karanak just got caught in that when GW removed a selection of "fantasy" models to lock them in AoS and out of 40K. Probably as part of a multi-stage move to separate them.


Now granted some models are likely going to linger for longer anyway - core demons; greater demons, demon monsters; demon prince and a few other kits. IT might even be that big things like the Greater Demons never get fully separated or the process gets part way and a new management directive comes down and the plan changes before they are reached.

I half-believe the 20-model thing.

Black Templars have had access to Crusader bricks all edition. Dropping the armywide FNP for world eaters seems like a move towards making that kind of unit both less obnoxious to play against and easier to cut point costs for. Zerkers can also get more return from strat & character bonuses without needing to make their base profile stronger.

Based on these rumours, Chaos legion faction seems to be intentionally designed with distinct playstyles, possibly as an analogue of another existing faction:
DG are similar to Custodes
EC are akin to Eldar
WE become the Chaos BT-equivalent

And TSons are?

Its woryh noting, btw, that BT crusader squads are one of the rare examples of a unit that costs more than just a straight 2x multiplier at full strength vs at half strength. 10 Crusaders are 150pts, 20 are 320. To me that suggests that GW may well cut the option with the next codex as they vlearly felt inclined to try to disincentive taking 20 model units with the 20 pt premium

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

After cutting 20 model units in so many other armies, including csm, I have trouble believing theyd give berzerkers the option.

It helps sell more berzerker models!

They're so aneamic as a range it's easy to accidentally max out the 6 units

 xttz wrote:
Death Guard

All Detachments will be good

This one line throws salt onto everything else, since it's so subjective. Also, has even a single codex come out where ALL Detachments are good?

 BorderCountess wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Death Guard

All Detachments will be good

This one line throws salt onto everything else, since it's so subjective. Also, has even a single codex come out where ALL Detachments are good?

Good as determined by who?

Eldar have a pretty good spread. They encourage and reward a theme, but don’t entirely tie you to it.

Well, only one of the DG detachments will allow the use of daemons, so for anyone wanting to use those units in the codex, only that one detachment will be any good.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Well, only one of the DG detachments will allow the use of daemons, so for anyone wanting to use those units in the codex, only that one detachment will be any good.

Unless they change the Daemons Index, you can ally up to 25% (based on game size) of Nurgle Daemons with that.
Won't have any particular synergies, but it's there (for now).

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Well, only one of the DG detachments will allow the use of daemons, so for anyone wanting to use those units in the codex, only that one detachment will be any good.

Unless they change the Daemons Index, you can ally up to 25% (based on game size) of Nurgle Daemons with that.
Won't have any particular synergies, but it's there (for now).

The Index has not yet been updated to reference the Emperor's Children faction (still just says "if your warlord is Lucius" for the Slaanesh stuff), so I'm fully expecting the daemonic pact rules to go away once all four cult legion codexes are out.

 Overread wrote:
Karanak honestly feels like he got caught in the crossfire.

They said in the LVO stream that Karanak going to Legends was a mistake.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Well, only one of the DG detachments will allow the use of daemons, so for anyone wanting to use those units in the codex, only that one detachment will be any good.

Unless they change the Daemons Index, you can ally up to 25% (based on game size) of Nurgle Daemons with that.
Won't have any particular synergies, but it's there (for now).

The Index has not yet been updated to reference the Emperor's Children faction (still just says "if your warlord is Lucius" for the Slaanesh stuff), so I'm fully expecting the daemonic pact rules to go away once all four cult legion codexes are out.

The book isn't released yet, so they won't have updated it. It's only just gone up for preorder.

When do ya'll think we will see the rest of the SW?

 RaptorusRex wrote:
When do ya'll think we will see the rest of the SW?

At the latest, the next preview show - Thursday, May 22, 2025 between 10pm and 11pm (EST).

Presumably when the launch box goes up for pre-order, everything else will be revealed since the new stuff would be in the Codex and cards there.

Well now...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/v5kqzgnr/strike-from-the-skies-with-new-and-improved-space-marine-drop-pods/

Will they be even more annoying to assemble and paint?

Could you take a pod for Primaris? I can't remember these things and haven't kept up with marines at all this edition.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Could you take a pod for Primaris? I can't remember these things and haven't kept up with marines at all this edition.

yeah, you can. not sure if that was added in 9th, but you def can in 10th


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anyway this is a very interesting thing to drop with no preamble on a Monday. it's a neat looking model, and solving the footprint issue for good is certainly nice (tho it does create a new issue of it being harder to transport)

two to a box is also interesting

Hopefully this means actual deathstorm pods will be a thing again, as a relatively simple upgrade.
Maybe in 30k though…

Malibu Stacy has another hat that's a few millimeters bigger!! Yippee!!!

Well that came out of nowhere. That's not even a pun.

I do like the rocks on the bottom being optional but also making it feel like it has actually hit the ground, unlike the old one.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Will they be even more annoying to assemble and paint?

It does explicitly say in the article it is less annoying to put together than the old one.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Will they be even more annoying to assemble and paint?

So much hate for building/painting the old ones. There is always room for things to get worse, but they would need to work at it. Fixed doors should help a lot to make the build eaiser.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Will they be even more annoying to assemble and paint?

given you have optional debris on the ground now I guess you can either build them open or closed, so less moving parts that make building complicated
also the interior is cleaned up with the details being just on the wall

 kodos wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Will they be even more annoying to assemble and paint?

given you have optional debris on the ground now I guess you can either build them open or closed, so less moving parts that make building complicated
also the interior is cleaned up with the details being just on the wall

GW wrote:
The newest incarnation of the Drop Pod has a few major changes to better suit its role in-game. The storm bolter and deathwind launcher normally mounted above the passengers – which, let’s face it, was a colossal safety hazard – has been removed, while the endlessly fiddly doors that spawned a thousand arguments about vehicle footprints are now fastened firmly in their open position.

Per article, fixed open.

of course, instead of writing proper rules it is easier to make a new model that is worse to store and transport

They were ugly to deal with when the doors could be closed. And on larger tables.

From a purely practical POV, these are going to be ugly to use as a gaming piece.