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 xttz wrote:
Considering how long Catachans have been kept around with old kits, I'm sure the plan is to give them the KT -> new range treatment eventually. It's just a question of how much longer.

That’ll be interesting. I hope they get some actual jungle terrain with that set too. What would they be fighting though? Lictors is the classic matchup.
(Give them rotor cannon as man-portable heavy weapons dammit!)

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Overread wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
On some level I understand the frustration of having generic infantry squads removed, but... seriously, does it matter that now instead of fielding your Elysians/Steel Legion/Vostroyans/Praetorians/Mordians/Tallarn/Tanith/Savlarans/Harkoni/Valhallans/Ventrillians/Baranites/whathaveyou as "Infantry Squad" they might, on paper, now be referred to as "Cadian Infantry Squad" or "Catachan Infantry Squad", etc?

I think the thing is that for decades the Imperial Guard has been more or less generic at its very core (even if they were all cadian models for the most part). So it was really easy to run your custom themed army either just calling it what you liked or using one of the sub-army rules if present in the codex for that edition. Formally calling everything Cadian etc.... Means that bit of flavour is fully lost.

It would be a bit like going to Tyrainds and saying "ok ALL Tyranids are now Hive Fleet Kraken, except for Carnifex which are Behemoth.

Its a bit of a narrative blow; especially as whilst we have Krieg and Cadian - its less likely that GW will give IG multiple different themed regiments like they did in the past in metal. Who knows perhaps they will and they've plans to take the IG in the same direction as Marines.


I can see why this isn't a popular choice for Guard players even if its purely a name at the top of a unit profile card

I guess im not seeing what changes or what flavor is being lost as a result of what is basically a change in administrative bookkeeping. My custom regiment is still my custom regiment, all the flavor and lore is atill there. The only thing that changed is what my units are referred to as on the piece of paper or my phone screen i hand my opponent before the game starts. After that, my infantet squads are infa try squads, command squads are command squads, etc.

Complaining that flavor is being lost because the units are specifically named is as nonsensical as doing the same if all the units were renamed to "unit 1", "unit 2", "unit 3". Its actually wholly irrelevant.

Now, loss of HWTs in infantry squads and loss of option flexibility? Yeah, thats a valid complaint.

It's more there's an onus and effort on you to delineate that which of your infantry squads are which type of infantry squad. Be it converting them, repainting them, rebasing them or use of a token etc.

Which sucks if you have a fully painted army or a metal one etc.

Unless you just pick one of the three you feel best represents your regiment and use that consistently.

It’s mainly because of NMNR ludicrously restricting the options of each one that it’s a problem.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Overread wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
On some level I understand the frustration of having generic infantry squads removed, but... seriously, does it matter that now instead of fielding your Elysians/Steel Legion/Vostroyans/Praetorians/Mordians/Tallarn/Tanith/Savlarans/Harkoni/Valhallans/Ventrillians/Baranites/whathaveyou as "Infantry Squad" they might, on paper, now be referred to as "Cadian Infantry Squad" or "Catachan Infantry Squad", etc?

I think the thing is that for decades the Imperial Guard has been more or less generic at its very core (even if they were all cadian models for the most part). So it was really easy to run your custom themed army either just calling it what you liked or using one of the sub-army rules if present in the codex for that edition. Formally calling everything Cadian etc.... Means that bit of flavour is fully lost.

It would be a bit like going to Tyrainds and saying "ok ALL Tyranids are now Hive Fleet Kraken, except for Carnifex which are Behemoth.

Its a bit of a narrative blow; especially as whilst we have Krieg and Cadian - its less likely that GW will give IG multiple different themed regiments like they did in the past in metal. Who knows perhaps they will and they've plans to take the IG in the same direction as Marines.


I can see why this isn't a popular choice for Guard players even if its purely a name at the top of a unit profile card

I guess im not seeing what changes or what flavor is being lost as a result of what is basically a change in administrative bookkeeping. My custom regiment is still my custom regiment, all the flavor and lore is atill there. The only thing that changed is what my units are referred to as on the piece of paper or my phone screen i hand my opponent before the game starts. After that, my infantet squads are infa try squads, command squads are command squads, etc.

Complaining that flavor is being lost because the units are specifically named is as nonsensical as doing the same if all the units were renamed to "unit 1", "unit 2", "unit 3". Its actually wholly irrelevant.

Now, loss of HWTs in infantry squads and loss of option flexibility? Yeah, thats a valid complaint.

It's more there's an onus and effort on you to delineate that which of your infantry squads are which type of infantry squad. Be it converting them, repainting them, rebasing them or use of a token etc.

Which sucks if you have a fully painted army or a metal one etc.

Unless you just pick one of the three you feel best represents your regiment and use that consistently.

It’s mainly because of NMNR ludicrously restricting the options of each one that it’s a problem.

Pretty much, but there's no requirement to do so.

Take a look at the new detachment rules. They seem designed around that want by players to have their own unique regiment and their own play styles. They actually seem good. Yet it butts up against removing generic units. It shows that lack of internal communication within GW teams working on releases.

these are all things i was expecting to change TBH.
Better for making each regiment different, allowing krieg rules to stand out vs cadian

Dudeface wrote:
Which sucks if you have a fully painted army or a metal one etc.

If an economic unit has an already completed army, they need to be CHURNED. Either get on the treadmill or GTFO is corporation's ethos.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Considering how long Catachans have been kept around with old kits, I'm sure the plan is to give them the KT -> new range treatment eventually. It's just a question of how much longer.

That’ll be interesting. I hope they get some actual jungle terrain with that set too. What would they be fighting though? Lictors is the classic matchup.
(Give them rotor cannon as man-portable heavy weapons dammit!)

They could fight Exodites! Always look for a reason to include exodites.

Looking at the recent WHC guard articles, I cannot see a single FW vehicle in any of the DKoK illustrations. I highly suspect Malcadors, Crassus et al going to legends with the new codex.

Was just reading the meltdown at B&C over the loss of the generic guard unit. over ten pages of agony over there! Time will tell if the "these Krieg are actually catachans, and those Krieg are Cadian, but this Cadian unit is Krieg" woes will turn out to be show-stopping..

 Fayric wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Considering how long Catachans have been kept around with old kits, I'm sure the plan is to give them the KT -> new range treatment eventually. It's just a question of how much longer.

That’ll be interesting. I hope they get some actual jungle terrain with that set too. What would they be fighting though? Lictors is the classic matchup.
(Give them rotor cannon as man-portable heavy weapons dammit!)

They could fight Exodites! Always look for a reason to include exodites.

One day GW will actually make an Exodites model!

 Overread wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Considering how long Catachans have been kept around with old kits, I'm sure the plan is to give them the KT -> new range treatment eventually. It's just a question of how much longer.

That’ll be interesting. I hope they get some actual jungle terrain with that set too. What would they be fighting though? Lictors is the classic matchup.
(Give them rotor cannon as man-portable heavy weapons dammit!)

They could fight Exodites! Always look for a reason to include exodites.

One day GW will actually make an Exodites model!

Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

 tauist wrote:
Looking at the recent WHC guard articles, I cannot see a single FW vehicle in any of the DKoK illustrations. I highly suspect Malcadors, Crassus et al going to legends with the new codex.

Was just reading the meltdown at B&C over the loss of the generic guard unit. over ten pages of agony over there! Time will tell if the "these Krieg are actually catachans, and those Krieg are Cadian, but this Cadian unit is Krieg" woes will turn out to be show-stopping..

Probably not show stopping but I do foresee extra TO comments or rules about it for formal events and some people will be more impacted than others.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

Heck when GW teased the new lictors the first sight we got was an Imperial Guard warrior standing over a dead one and she was a special character model release too .


But yeah I bet if GW ever do an Exodites it will be like the Animation - a warrior rather than anything mounted

Well 'guard for me was my last chance to play this edition. As I don't fancy repainting squads (replacing heavy weapon teams in squads) I am out for this edition.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Which sucks if you have a fully painted army or a metal one etc.

If an economic unit has an already completed army, they need to be CHURNED. Either get on the treadmill or GTFO is corporation's ethos.

Because customer loyalty is worthless, amiright? As a general rule, adding new things would encourage collectors to add more; removing things just pisses them off.

 Dawnbringer wrote:


'Cadia Stands!' (Behind this solid looking bit of rubble)

There it is, the best thing I've ever read on this forum.

Interesting people are upset now about the changes in Guard rules/feel, I already thought they had some ridiculous rules going on flavourwise. The whole army gets Lethal Hits because... I dunno? We couldn't stand just having them being average joes who have to win through numbers and variety? Shame SMs never attended that course.

I guess all my infantry squad heavy weapons are now heavy weapons squads? And there are now three data sheets for heavy weapons squads?

So all the lascannoneers in the Imperium will basically be catachans for the foreseeable future?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

Overblown joke at this point. How many SM Librarians, Chaplains, or especially captains over the years? And now Death Korps Commissars have racked up a decent number.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

Overblown joke at this point. How many SM Librarians, Chaplains, or especially captains over the years? And now Death Korps Commissars have racked up a decent number.

Not really blown out of proportion, when you see 13 of these guys released, and other models that are wanted/needed never come out.

Every Warhammer 40k Space Marine Primaris Lieutenant - Wargamer

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

Overblown joke at this point. How many SM Librarians, Chaplains, or especially captains over the years? And now Death Korps Commissars have racked up a decent number.

Not really blown out of proportion, when you see 13 of these guys released, and other models that are wanted/needed never come out.

Every Warhammer 40k Space Marine Primaris Lieutenant - Wargamer

Over a period of 3 editions. Yeah, its a bit much, but it's still a worn out joke. Space Marine characters have always been over-represented. There are 10 different generic Astartes Captains/Marshall on the webstore right now.



Back on actual topic, we know from the roadmap that Kreig are next with a major wave, Eldar are after with a major wave, and Imperial Knights are coming with rumors of 1 kit. Chaos Knights ought to be coming around the same time as those two share a lot of models, and Chaos knights got a couple model releases for their last book vs IIRC no new ones for Imperials last round. It would make some sense for them to rebox the cerastus hulls in 40K packaging as an easy addition to both though. After that, we are getting previews of Emperor's Children, which would make a nice contrast to the Eldar. Likely a model range around the same size as World Eaters got- Fulgrim, Lucius, Infantry, Elite infantry, Chaff unit, Generic Lord (possibly mounted)

After that, if Slaanesh gets ported into the EC book fully, the other 3 god books and generic CSM may follow pretty quickly to speed the transition. Death Guard have the leaked character model, so maybe a single model release (they also have the largest existing range of the 4 gods). Thousand Sons and World Eaters could use more characters and units, but could also see just single kit releases as well. Generic Chaos Marines have a codex, but could see a few model editions- Night Lords just got a kill team, so other generic CSM legions may show up via kill team- say an Alpha Legion infiltration band or Iron Warriors siege crew

Besides Chaos, there is Grey Knights, Votaan, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, and Black Templars. Deathwatch seems like it was left out and then walked back, so probably doesnt have a book planned soon.

Grey Knights only have 3 unique kits plus 2 named plastic characters. A full scale revamp would take less resources than Kreig are getting, and have room for new kits left over.

Votaan are very infantry heavy right now- they could use a bit more in the way of vehicles or artillery, maybe a mounted hernkyn character leader

Dark Eldar have a lot of good kits, but have had so much removed that besides Court of the Archon, Beastmaster menageries, and Grotesques, anything would be new. There is no named Archon character in the book anymore.

Space Wolves- primaris versions of specific units.

Black Templars- Mostly share with generic marines, but possibly could use say a terminator Sword Brethren unit with swords and shields?

I'll feel very sorry for anyone who started World Eaters and Votann if they end up with single character releases this edition - WE definitely need more than that.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'll feel very sorry for anyone who started World Eaters and Votann if they end up with single character releases this edition - WE definitely need more than that.

Agreed, but I see the Emperor's children sucking up a lot of the model bandwith for chaos. Maybe a unit instead of a character? Berzerker Juggernaught Cav seems like a logical one- if Daemons get merged in they already have Juggernaughts, but that didn't stop AoS from doing both Daemons and warrior versions. Also I could see the Slaughterbrute being put into the book since Thousand Sons have the Tzeentchy version of that kit.

Dudeface wrote:

 parakuribo wrote:
Best case is to go the Barnes & Noble Route and make Space Hulk into an AoS game. Sadly, I doubt they'd go with it since it is bigger than both Lost Patrol and Bloodchosen combined. There's also a problem in making the Sigmarines similar to termies(Skaven would be a no brainer: make Genestealers into Stormvermin).

Polite reminder the Barnes and Noble releases aren't available worldwide.

B&N doesn't do international shipping?

ccs wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 parakuribo wrote:
Best case is to go the Barnes & Noble Route and make Space Hulk into an AoS game. Sadly, I doubt they'd go with it since it is bigger than both Lost Patrol and Bloodchosen combined. There's also a problem in making the Sigmarines similar to termies(Skaven would be a no brainer: make Genestealers into Stormvermin).

Polite reminder the Barnes and Noble releases aren't available worldwide.

B&N doesn't do international shipping?

I mean they do, but it its not exactly cheap and convenient compared to simply selling it domestically. If someone has a B&N box to hand I'd be curious where it was manufactured as well.

ccs wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 parakuribo wrote:
Best case is to go the Barnes & Noble Route and make Space Hulk into an AoS game. Sadly, I doubt they'd go with it since it is bigger than both Lost Patrol and Bloodchosen combined. There's also a problem in making the Sigmarines similar to termies(Skaven would be a no brainer: make Genestealers into Stormvermin).

Polite reminder the Barnes and Noble releases aren't available worldwide.

B&N doesn't do international shipping?

They don't do international shipping to the UK and EU, no.

https://help.barnesandnoble.com/hc/en-us/articles/5334789599771-International-Shipping

 The Phazer wrote:

ccs wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 parakuribo wrote:
Best case is to go the Barnes & Noble Route and make Space Hulk into an AoS game. Sadly, I doubt they'd go with it since it is bigger than both Lost Patrol and Bloodchosen combined. There's also a problem in making the Sigmarines similar to termies(Skaven would be a no brainer: make Genestealers into Stormvermin).

Polite reminder the Barnes and Noble releases aren't available worldwide.

B&N doesn't do international shipping?

They don't do international shipping to the UK and EU, no.

https://help.barnesandnoble.com/hc/en-us/articles/5334789599771-International-Shipping

I didn't go that far down the page tbh, but good spot.

Who knows anyway, when we become the 53rd state at president Musks behest, we might get them then.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

Overblown joke at this point. How many SM Librarians, Chaplains, or especially captains over the years? And now Death Korps Commissars have racked up a decent number.

Not really blown out of proportion, when you see 13 of these guys released, and other models that are wanted/needed never come out.

Every Warhammer 40k Space Marine Primaris Lieutenant - Wargamer

Over a period of 3 editions. Yeah, its a bit much, but it's still a worn out joke. Space Marine characters have always been over-represented. There are 10 different generic Astartes Captains/Marshall on the webstore right now.



Back on actual topic, we know from the roadmap that Kreig are next with a major wave, Eldar are after with a major wave, and Imperial Knights are coming with rumors of 1 kit. Chaos Knights ought to be coming around the same time as those two share a lot of models, and Chaos knights got a couple model releases for their last book vs IIRC no new ones for Imperials last round. It would make some sense for them to rebox the cerastus hulls in 40K packaging as an easy addition to both though. After that, we are getting previews of Emperor's Children, which would make a nice contrast to the Eldar. Likely a model range around the same size as World Eaters got- Fulgrim, Lucius, Infantry, Elite infantry, Chaff unit, Generic Lord (possibly mounted)

After that, if Slaanesh gets ported into the EC book fully, the other 3 god books and generic CSM may follow pretty quickly to speed the transition. Death Guard have the leaked character model, so maybe a single model release (they also have the largest existing range of the 4 gods). Thousand Sons and World Eaters could use more characters and units, but could also see just single kit releases as well. Generic Chaos Marines have a codex, but could see a few model editions- Night Lords just got a kill team, so other generic CSM legions may show up via kill team- say an Alpha Legion infiltration band or Iron Warriors siege crew

Besides Chaos, there is Grey Knights, Votaan, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, and Black Templars. Deathwatch seems like it was left out and then walked back, so probably doesnt have a book planned soon.

Grey Knights only have 3 unique kits plus 2 named plastic characters. A full scale revamp would take less resources than Kreig are getting, and have room for new kits left over.

Votaan are very infantry heavy right now- they could use a bit more in the way of vehicles or artillery, maybe a mounted hernkyn character leader

Dark Eldar have a lot of good kits, but have had so much removed that besides Court of the Archon, Beastmaster menageries, and Grotesques, anything would be new. There is no named Archon character in the book anymore.

Space Wolves- primaris versions of specific units.

Black Templars- Mostly share with generic marines, but possibly could use say a terminator Sword Brethren unit with swords and shields?

I think one of the recent Valrak rumours has the 4 God aligned chaos books coming out in short succession at the same time, with some rumours coming to him that (other than Emperor's Children) they will each get a mortal and daemon release.

Another Krieg article - the HQ model apparently comes back to the board on a 2+ after dying for the first time.

Again, the lack of any Malcadors et al in the mentioned army list is concerning. I will forever picture Krieg as how they were in Siege Of Vraks, they dont use those dinky cadian vehicles goddammit! Looks all wrong IMO

Couldn't GW like, you know, create another SKU for those HH tanks, swap out the transfer sheet and just slap a 40K logo on the boxes? This is too dumb

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Will this be before or after the infinite Space Marine lieutenants?

Neither, it will be a Space Marine lieutenant standing over a dead Exodite.

Don't speak these things into existence. There are already 13 unique Space Marine Primaris Lieutenants roaming around.

Overblown joke at this point. How many SM Librarians, Chaplains, or especially captains over the years? And now Death Korps Commissars have racked up a decent number.

Not really blown out of proportion, when you see 13 of these guys released, and other models that are wanted/needed never come out.

Every Warhammer 40k Space Marine Primaris Lieutenant - Wargamer

Over a period of 3 editions. Yeah, its a bit much, but it's still a worn out joke. Space Marine characters have always been over-represented. There are 10 different generic Astartes Captains/Marshall on the webstore right now.



Back on actual topic, we know from the roadmap that Kreig are next with a major wave, Eldar are after with a major wave, and Imperial Knights are coming with rumors of 1 kit. Chaos Knights ought to be coming around the same time as those two share a lot of models, and Chaos knights got a couple model releases for their last book vs IIRC no new ones for Imperials last round. It would make some sense for them to rebox the cerastus hulls in 40K packaging as an easy addition to both though. After that, we are getting previews of Emperor's Children, which would make a nice contrast to the Eldar. Likely a model range around the same size as World Eaters got- Fulgrim, Lucius, Infantry, Elite infantry, Chaff unit, Generic Lord (possibly mounted)

After that, if Slaanesh gets ported into the EC book fully, the other 3 god books and generic CSM may follow pretty quickly to speed the transition. Death Guard have the leaked character model, so maybe a single model release (they also have the largest existing range of the 4 gods). Thousand Sons and World Eaters could use more characters and units, but could also see just single kit releases as well. Generic Chaos Marines have a codex, but could see a few model editions- Night Lords just got a kill team, so other generic CSM legions may show up via kill team- say an Alpha Legion infiltration band or Iron Warriors siege crew

Besides Chaos, there is Grey Knights, Votaan, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, and Black Templars. Deathwatch seems like it was left out and then walked back, so probably doesnt have a book planned soon.

Grey Knights only have 3 unique kits plus 2 named plastic characters. A full scale revamp would take less resources than Kreig are getting, and have room for new kits left over.

Votaan are very infantry heavy right now- they could use a bit more in the way of vehicles or artillery, maybe a mounted hernkyn character leader

Dark Eldar have a lot of good kits, but have had so much removed that besides Court of the Archon, Beastmaster menageries, and Grotesques, anything would be new. There is no named Archon character in the book anymore.

Space Wolves- primaris versions of specific units.

Black Templars- Mostly share with generic marines, but possibly could use say a terminator Sword Brethren unit with swords and shields?

The Black Templars release would be a good opportunity to release updated Assault Terminators in the same scale as the Leviathan ones. It's a notable omission from the current SM range.

I expect Votann to get a unit of jump infantry to match the one in their Kill Team.