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Daemon players have had pretty rotten army lists since forever. Anyone still playing daemons are used to the abuse of "new rules" and the constant feeling that there is a big chunk of normal army functions missing.
Deamon players are used to seeing new functions that barely resemble the former rules, or getting a powerful single unit that is supposed to save the codex and make it playable.

That is why this change work. If you play deamons, its not because of the rules.

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

Now there's a new one with a set weapon loadout. Get churned.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

Now there's a new one with a set weapon loadout. Get churned.

Are you referring to the new Chaos Lord model for CSM or something else?

they fixed asurmen's one shot attack, making it AI 5+ rather than 3+

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

Now there's a new one with a set weapon loadout. Get churned.

Are you referring to the new Chaos Lord model for CSM or something else?

There's a new Nurgle lord coming:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/elxrte0d/lvo-preview-2025-nurgle-coughs-up-a-new-lord-of-poxes/

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

Now there's a new one with a set weapon loadout. Get churned.

It's more "enjoy the standalone codex treatment" rather than churn imo.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

Now there's a new one with a set weapon loadout. Get churned.

Are you referring to the new Chaos Lord model for CSM or something else?

There's a new Nurgle lord coming:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/elxrte0d/lvo-preview-2025-nurgle-coughs-up-a-new-lord-of-poxes/

That's another specialist.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Lord Damocles wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

He fills a role by being a generalist leader for Plague Marines, as all the other leaders are specialists. Also, his Dessication Conduit rule is quite good when coupled with the Nurgle's Gift rule.

Now there's a new one with a set weapon loadout. Get churned.

Are you referring to the new Chaos Lord model for CSM or something else?

There's a new Nurgle lord coming:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/elxrte0d/lvo-preview-2025-nurgle-coughs-up-a-new-lord-of-poxes/

That's another specialist.

I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Dudeface wrote:
I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Why make a generic Death Guard Chaos Lord in Power Armor when you can turn out another Lord of [yet another synonym for disease]?

 BorderCountess wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Why make a generic Death Guard Chaos Lord in Power Armor when you can turn out another Lord of [yet another synonym for disease]?

Bingo.

 BorderCountess wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Why make a generic Death Guard Chaos Lord in Power Armor when you can turn out another Lord of [yet another synonym for disease]?

The 8th edition DG codex already described the 6 mantles of corruption that DG Lords can lean into. Counting the Lord of Poxes we now have three of that list and there's a "rumored 7th". If we're lucky the 7th is the Mantle of Options and Kitbash.

It really doesn't surprise me when we're talking about a line that was designed around the same time as the Primaris Lt.

 BorderCountess wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Why make a generic Death Guard Chaos Lord in Power Armor when you can turn out another Lord of [yet another synonym for disease]?

Generic commanders with options are Horus Heresy. 40k should be an echo of old structures that have become ritual and ceremony for reasons no one remember. Makes sense guys are stuck in their ways. Also makes some sense for GW to keep the game styles apart so people can fool around with different game styles and designs if they want some variation.

 Fayric wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Why make a generic Death Guard Chaos Lord in Power Armor when you can turn out another Lord of [yet another synonym for disease]?

Generic commanders with options are Horus Heresy. 40k should be an echo of old structures that have become ritual and ceremony for reasons no one remember. Makes sense guys are stuck in their ways. Also makes some sense for GW to keep the game styles apart so people can fool around with different game styles and designs if they want some variation.

That almost makes sense for Loyalist Marines, but why would full-on Chaos Marines be stuck in their ways?

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'll say the quiet part out loud for clarity: there is no generic death guard chaos lord in power armour possibly.

Why make a generic Death Guard Chaos Lord in Power Armor when you can turn out another Lord of [yet another synonym for disease]?

Generic commanders with options are Horus Heresy. 40k should be an echo of old structures that have become ritual and ceremony for reasons no one remember. Makes sense guys are stuck in their ways. Also makes some sense for GW to keep the game styles apart so people can fool around with different game styles and designs if they want some variation.

That almost makes sense for Loyalist Marines, but why would full-on Chaos Marines be stuck in their ways?

Because they are instruments of chaos, not truly chaotic in them self? Chaos Marines are stuck in a really bad contract and cant get out. Bound by their bitterness and grinding their gears for milennia without moving forward or backwards.
The nature of chaos in warhammer is more like a long list of numbers, colours, symbols and acts you need to repeat and display.

The lengths some people will go to to try to defend GW to themselves...

The Army Lists options are a shadows of what they could be, when you compare the Codices of today with those of c. 2002 to 2006...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The lengths some people will go to to try to defend GW to themselves...

Has anyone defended anything? Has GW been called out as good or bad at any point to require defending?

Valrak claims that the new Death Guard Combat Patrol is -

Lord of Virulence
Scribbus Wretch, the Tallyman
Death Guard squad
Deathshroud Terminator squad
Chaos Rhino

That seems a bit too good to be true to me? £158 of stuff in a Combat Patrol is a higher discount than any we've got recently right? And we've not had a vehicle in any of them for a while.

(Edit: Just to note I *think* he says Lord of Virulence and the Tallyman, it's a bit hard to parse.)

The value does seem a bit high.

Maybe they had lower than expected sales for the previous Combat Patrol? After all, most DG players prolly had all of the Poxwalkers that they needed by the time that it dropped.

Sounds more like the contents of a LE boxset.

Yeah, the rhino is suspect as GW has bern removing everything vehicular from these boxes for a bit now

 The Phazer wrote:
We've not had a vehicle in any of them for a while.

The Tau box has a transport and the GSC one has a light vehicle, so it's not impossible.

The main thing they've been eliminating is anything that 'skews' at the combat patrol scale, like flyers and the redemptor dreadnought.

 The Phazer wrote:
Valrak claims that the new Death Guard Combat Patrol is -

Lord of Virulence
Scribbus Wretch, the Tallyman
Death Guard squad
Deathshroud Terminator squad
Chaos Rhino

That seems a bit too good to be true to me? £158 of stuff in a Combat Patrol is a higher discount than any we've got recently right? And we've not had a vehicle in any of them for a while.

(Edit: Just to note I *think* he says Lord of Virulence and the Tallyman, it's a bit hard to parse.)

The discount is high due to the way GW prices their characters at a premium, despite costing pennies to produce. The points cost is about right, so it's believable to me.

 LunarSol wrote:
Sounds more like the contents of a LE boxset.

Yeah, it sounds just like the 'big pile of models to go with the one new guy' that GW has been doing for a while.

I just find the Rhino suspect on the basis of it being one of the oldest possible models to include. Pretty sure the only thing available to Death Guard that's older is the Defiler.

 BorderCountess wrote:
Pretty sure the only thing available to Death Guard that's older is the Defiler.

Not for long!

 BorderCountess wrote:
I just find the Rhino suspect on the basis of it being one of the oldest possible models to include. Pretty sure the only thing available to Death Guard that's older is the Defiler.

Rhino pips it to the post in age, if memory serves?

Though if dim memory serves, those came out when I was working for GW (I distinctly recall abusing my staff discount for both), but the Landraider preceded.

Landraider update came first, then the Predator which was the studio's way to backdoor in the rhino as well.