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Hey,

im new to these forums so excuse me if i do sumthin rong or just let me know-cheers

 

ok, i made three quick noob armies from my friends codexes and was planning to get one. My mates are going to conflict so they been practicing their 750 point armies so yup...here we go.

no.1 Imperial Guard - 750

Doctrines: Conscript Platoons, Storm Troopers(for the hell of it) Heavy Weap. Platoons, Iron Discipline, Close order drill.

HQ - Senior Officer - with Bolter, Frag Grenades + veteran with standard + 3 guardsmen with lasguns  - 73 points

Troops - JO + 4 guardsmen with lasguns - 40 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns + Missle launcher team + grenade launcher - 83 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns + Missle launcher team + grenade launcher - 83 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns + Missle launcher team + grenade launcher - 83 points

Troops - 20 Conscripts + 2 flamers (20 models) - 98 points

Heavy Support - Leman Russ battle tank + hull heavy bolter - 145 points

Leman Russ battle tank + hull heavy bolter - 145 points

Army total - 750 points

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Eldar - 750 points

HQ - Farseer + singing spear + doom + runes of witnessing - 93 points

Troops - 6 pathfinders - 144 points

Troops - 8 dire avengers + Exarch (9 models) + extra shuriken catapault - 125 points (or 14 guardians with scatter laser - 127 points)

Fast Attack - 6 swooping hawks including exarch + power weapon + intercept - 153 points

Heavy Support - Fire Prism - 115 points

Fire Prism - 115 points

Army Total - 745 points (747 points with the guardians)

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Space Marines - 750 points (traits - cleanse and purify, trust your battle brothers, eye to eye)

HQ - Reclusiarch + storm bolter + terminator armour - 115 points

Elites - dreadnought + venerable - 125 points

Troops - 8 space marines + plasma gun + replaced plasma gun - 145 points

Troops - 7 space marines with true grit/counter + flamer + replaced flamer - 142 points

Fast Attack - Land Speeder + assault cannon - 80 points

Heavy Support - Predator Annhilator + heavy bolter sponsoon + extra armour + smoke launchers - 143 points

Army Total - 750 points

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Any feedback welcome, critisize, its my first try at a proper list so any feedback would be awesome, thanks!

 

The one with the marines I like te most. The other 2 are a bit ... Over the top. Let me explain.

2 Leman russes in 750 is overkill. 1 is enough and take some extra filler. You will need it. I would probably drop both and take all guard with missile and grenade or plasma. This way you can overwelm the opponent.

The eldar list is imho not even worth it, almost no troops and nothing to protect any of the parts (better to have skyleap then intercept on the hawks in this small a game IMHO. Furtherore here also lies the focus on heavy support. Take 1 if any. 1 missile launcher can be the end of the vehicle and you do not want that happening.. In 750 vehicles aren't that important, but enough troops is.

The marine list is good enough. I might replace the pred with more las/plas squads, but that is an oppinion. More bodys to protect the weapons. The lone HQ ccan also be better replaced by a commander (2wound one) with PW and combat shield. It is cheaper and almost as effective.

Just my oppinion though

why take the storm troopers doctrine if you're not going to take any storm trooper.
Also isn't Conflict 500pts for each player in the team?

We have a run of Conflict Tournaments coming up in the major cities in Australia in the next two months, maybe thats what he's building for; they're 750 point individual armies (or 1000 for Fantasy, 400 for Legions of Middle Earth). The events are run by GW and designed to introduce new players to the gaming/tournament scene.

Anyway I agree that the Marine list is the stronger by far, and since it will be your first army, would be far easier to get assembled and painted up for the event than 55 guardsmen.  Good luck building it!

ok, wiked

thanks for the help...lol i thought 60 guardsmen would be a hassle, plus i can scab some marines of my mates

cheers, ill repost a revised army bit later

ok, so the space marines is now...

HQ - Captain with Power Weapon, Storm Sheild, frag grenades - 86 points

Elites - Dreadnought with Assult cannon, venerable, smoke launchers - 128 points

Troops - 8 space marines with plasma gun, replaced plasma gun - 145 points

Troops - 8 space marines with true grit/counter, plasma gun, replaced flamer - 164 points

Troops - 8 marines with plasma gun, lascannon - 145 points

Fast Attack - Land Speeder with assault cannon - 80 points

Total - 748 points

i might hav another go at imperial guard but im leaning on space marines right now, cheers ravurion and bolter

The second list is pretty cool. Something else you could consider is changing that Las/Plas squad for a 6-man devestator squad with 3 missile launchers, but as it stands I think you have a fairly good starting list that will let you try out a good selection of units and weapons. Good luck with it.

Out of interest, where is the tournament you're playing in taking place?

well lol, im not actually playing, well i wouldnt mind going, but i kno sum friends that are playin at conflict in adelaide. i dnt actually own anything lol, they hav been practicin their armies on eachother and i picked up most of the rules from watching so..yeah, but i think they do more then one tournament per year so i might be able to catch the next 1 but thanks for the help...cheers

No worries, I'll be at Conflict Brisbane with my Daemonhunters.

kool, daemon hunter would be hard...

my friend gets them and he said their to expensive so...yeah good luck

Hey all, i re-did an imperial guard army but i think space marines are good to go but anyway, here it is...

doctrines: Iron Discipline, Close order drill, Sharp Shooters, heavy Weapon platoons, conscript platoons(u guys could prolly think of better)

HQ - junior officer with honorifica, iron discipline, bolter, + veteran with standard - 82 points

Troops - JO - 4 gaurdsmen with lasguns

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 guardsman with plasma gun, two with missle launcher - 85 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 guardsman with plasma gun, two with missle launcher - 85 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 guardsman with plasma gun, two with missle launcher - 85 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 guardsman with plasma gun, two with missle launcher - 85 points

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 guardsman with plasma gun, two with missle launcher - 85 points

Troops - 20 conscripts with two flamers - 98 points

Heavy Support - Leman Russ Battle with hull heavy bolter - 145 points

Army Total - 750 points exactly - now this army would be wicked, conscripts are cannon fodder, just make a mass line with close order, if no ord., gakload o' guys, kickass tank, if its a good list please let me kno cos my bros will prolly pitch in aswell, though i like SM CHEERS!!!

oops, forgot the platoon commander...hehe that another 40 points oops, any help there then? hehe

I think the fundamental question should be why do you want to play an army your friends are already collecting.

If you have enough Cadian bodies you can simply put the missile launcher on a regular trooper body. Basically this means that so long as you have a few surpluss guardsman, out of a single heavy weapon box you can get a Missile Launcher AND a Lascannon/Autocannon/Heavy Bolter which is more cost effective than buying four boxes for four missile launchers; to that end I'd go 2 ML/Plas and two HB/Plas in your squads at this low point level.

Posted By IntoTheRain on 02/06/2007 11:38 PM
I think the fundamental question should be why do you want to play an army your friends are already collecting.

because maybe i liked these armies the most?...lol

anyway, i re-did imperial guard and im liking it hehe

HQ - SO with iron discipline, frags, bolter + veteran with standard - 73 points

Troops - JO

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 with plasma gun, 2 with missle launcher

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 with plasma gun, 2 with missle launcher

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 with plasma gun, 2 with heavy bolter

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 with plasma gun, 2 with heavy bolter

7 guardsmen with lasguns, 1 with grenade launcher, 2 with heavy bolter

total - 433 points

Troops - 20 conscripts with 2 flamers - 98 points

Heavy Support - Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull heavy bolter - 145 points

ARMY TOTAL - 749 yay!

70 infantry models, 5 heavy weapons models, 1 tank

what you think? still marines lol?

You'd be better off taking drop troop doctrine and a hardened vets squad, kit it and your platton HQ with flamers or meltas and drop them, rather than all those conscripts which will struggle to kill anything.

Posted By Bolter on 02/07/2007 3:46 AM
You'd be better off taking drop troop doctrine and a hardened vets squad, kit it and your platton HQ with flamers or meltas and drop them, rather than all those conscripts which will struggle to kill anything.

hmm...yeah...lol, i originally saw conscripts as just a hassle, cos the rules say you hav to hit the closer unit or sumthin so they kill them before the guardsmen, but i can shoot past my own units, so its ownage for me against the opponent, but i guess they can do the same thing, but other than that, you rekon marines are the better?

 

One tank in 750 pts will be hosed quite badyly -- all antitank fire will zero in on it.

I would suggest a 750 pt Guard army, I'm actually painting a similar one now and it's been doing quite well.

Don't have my codex on me at the moment, but this should come out roughly correct.

HQ - JO with IronDis, Bolt Pistol, CCW.  2 PGs in the squad.  Standard Bearer in the squad.

Troops

Platoon - JO with Iron Dis, Bolt Pistol, CCW.  2 Flamers in the squad.
          Squad - 10 men, Lascannon/Plasmagun
          Squad - 10 men, Lascannon/Plasmagun
          Squad - 10 men, Autocannon

Armored Fist - Meltagun, Heavy Bolter.
          Chimera - Standard, plus Track Guards and Extra Armor

Russ - Heavy Bolters all 'round.  Extra Armor.

If you have room and/or would drop one of the infantry squads, a sentinel would do well in the list, too.  It's got a good compromise of men to tanks and a hella lot of firepower.

-Adso

You can't afford a near 100-point speed bump unit like those conscripts in 750 points; everything needs to be killy. With the number of guard armies you've posted I think your heart is with them and not the marines, so lets work on your guard list shall we?

Brother Adso's list is pretty good. A Russ and a Chimera are both hard to pop, and adding a Sentinel or maybe even a Hellhound in there would be good too, basically give you a variety of stuff to paint and different toys to play with and see what suits your playing style.  Whatever you do, lose the conscripts!

hmm...ok, ill play around with a guard army...loose the conscripts, muck around with everythin...i still like the marines army though, i just think that in the list above, it will get shot down cos there aint 'heaps' of guys and i get the impression that you need heaps with imperial guard...

You don't really need heaps of guys if you have heaps of tanks ;-)
With that said, I was a bigger fan of the 2x tank approach, both for the mentioned reason that 2x tanks are probably 3x more threatening than just one, and because at this level who really would expect you to take two tanks? Or if you wanted to pour on the cheese, you could do something like this:
(Not my original idea, but I still loved it all the same)
Doctrines: Iron Discipline, Grenadiers
CHQ
JO w/ HI, ID
4x Guardsmen ( standard bearer )

Troop #1
Grenadiers Squad - 1 Sergeant, 5 Stormtroopers ( 2x Plasma )
Troop #2
Same as the other squad

Heavy Supoort #1
Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ 3x HBs

Heavy Support #2
Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ 3x HBs

Heavy Support #3
Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ 3x HBs

This list does just fine with MINIMAL infantry and MAXIMUM tanks. Granted, it's only suited for these smaller battles, extremely CHEEEEEESSSSYY, and probably not the most fun thing in the world to play. But it proves my point just fine. Everyone says Hellhounds are ridiculously fun to play, when I get the money I'll be buying a pair myself, and that's also because I LOVED Assembling my Leman Russ Demolisher way more than my 40 Guardsmen.
Don't do the conscripts, in any event, and IMO, lose the Missile Launchers. Get Autocannons or a Lascannon/Heavy Bolter mix instead. Missile Launchers aren't as strong as a Lascannon, and can't take out infantry as well as Autocannons or Heavy Bolters. A Deep Striking group of Hardened Vets would also add some Fun Factor as well :-)

They do mark comp at Conflict, I don't think three Russ tanks and two min/max Stormtrooper squads at 750 is going to win you any friends.

lol, i liked the two tank 1 aswell, plus i figured if you could get some kickass cover, 14 armour obscured is a *female dog* to kill hehe, plus, it might sound dumb, but with the first 1 i need to buy only two battle forces and i got most of it, plus my bros sed theyd pitch in so im only payin for 1 battle force, with the other 1, as much as i like it, it'd be more of a hassle to buy so yeah...but two tanks is a bit....ehh...well my mate sed hed battle me so im gonna borrow models from around the place and use the most recent army i posted (IG) against nids, purely cos ill load squads with heavy bolters but i  think the other list would work better at a tourney cos plasmas would own marines which im likely to face...anyway thanks for all the tips its been really helpful, specially bolter, ur a legend, keep posting im really benefitin what you guys hav to say as i hav no experience, thanks...

My build required only that I buy 1 battleforce and 1 "armored fist squad" box....maybe one or two heavy weapons if you desire. Just convert all your officers, its fun and easy!

Very cheap.

-Adso