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SickSix wrote: I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
My FLGS is getting out of GW product nearly altogether, but they'll order stuff on request. I got a call today that their GW rep guaranteed that I'd get the four boxes I asked them to get me, plus the couple they want for the store to put on the shelves.
It's a nice use of the 20% off I have due me for their loyalty program, too. I nearly get the fourth box for free.
Talys wrote: Next week's free painting guide is exactly the same as the last free painting poster, I think, except with an extra row for the new Liberator/Retributor gold.
There are a few missing items, as noted in this THREAD.
Thanks for pointing that out, Ghaz! I guess I better buy some more Dark Reaper. I think I have 4-5 extra pots of it, but I go through a lot -- it's one of my favorite colors for terrain. Thunderhawk Blue, too, but I use a lot less, as it's usually a drybrush layer for me. I think I'll miss Tyrant Skull, but there's other similar drybrush paints and they last forever, and Ungor Flesh, but there are similar skintones, and those pots last forever, too.
SickSix wrote: I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
Does the boxed set give them a WYSIWIG in game advantage? If the answer is no then tourney winning serious gamers are no more likely to buy it than anyone else and are probably less likley. HH armies ironically are generally less powergamey and abusable with "only" rites of war instead of free special rules with every detachment, "only" one LOW slot generally instead of taking as many as you want, and a reasonable ally matrix instead of take whatever you want for minmaxing powergaming fluff be damned. The folks I feel that would be most likely to buy this would be veteran gamers who have always wanted a HH style army modelled up as well as fans of the book series. As always there may be some overlap but being a mainly hardcore tourny gamer IMO makes you overall less likely to pick it up compared with the mainly "fluff" gamer.
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So are those colors posted in the rumor in the other thread actually off the new chart? I only have the photos in the other thread to work off of and I can only confirm that I don't see Lamenter's Yellow and its got a few less bundles than the current chart.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
I really do wish I wasn't so burnt out on Space Marines over the years (and years). If it wasn't for the fact that I've painted 5, maybe six different sets of Marines, I would love to start something adventurous like World Eaters as their Heresy heraldry is not something usually seen on the table.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Man, I wish we had a decent FLGS up here, you never get anywhere near as good a discount from the online retailers in the UK on these big boxes, especially after shipping.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
Took the money reserved for this and bought discounted Shield of Baal box, I think I have sth like 120+ various genestealers atm and numerous broodlords. Happy.
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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
Yodhrin wrote: Man, I wish we had a decent FLGS up here, you never get anywhere near as good a discount from the online retailers in the UK on these big boxes, especially after shipping.
Where are you? I'd have thought any of the mail order places would be able to get it to you for at least 10% off. Unless your on Shetland.
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Ghaz wrote: So are those colors posted in the rumor in the other thread actually off the new chart? I only have the photos in the other thread to work off of and I can only confirm that I don't see Lamenter's Yellow and its got a few less bundles than the current chart.
I did not see Dark Reaper/Thunderhawk Blue, the only colors I checked for. It is quite tiny, though you can sort of make out the print, but I'll look more closely in the am, comparing it with the old chart and let you know.
Really, they just need one texture (basing) product, since anyone going to the trouble of using one will paint it anyhow.
SickSix wrote: I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
Does the boxed set give them a WYSIWIG in game advantage? If the answer is no then tourney winning serious gamers are no more likely to buy it than anyone else and are probably less likley. HH armies ironically are generally less powergamey and abusable with "only" rites of war instead of free special rules with every detachment, "only" one LOW slot generally instead of taking as many as you want, and a reasonable ally matrix instead of take whatever you want for minmaxing powergaming fluff be damned. The folks I feel that would be most likely to buy this would be veteran gamers who have always wanted a HH style army modelled up as well as fans of the book series. As always there may be some overlap but being a mainly hardcore tourny gamer IMO makes you overall less likely to pick it up compared with the mainly "fluff" gamer.
Great points. And to my knowledge they only paint armies because they have to for ATC or whichever big tournament they go to. I think I am the only serious painter/collector / hobbyist that frequents that store. I haven't played a game in over a year lol.
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
Ghaz wrote: So are those colors posted in the rumor in the other thread actually off the new chart? I only have the photos in the other thread to work off of and I can only confirm that I don't see Lamenter's Yellow and its got a few less bundles than the current chart.
I did not see Dark Reaper/Thunderhawk Blue, the only colors I checked for. It is quite tiny, though you can sort of make out the print, but I'll look more closely in the am, comparing it with the old chart and let you know.
Really, they just need one texture (basing) product, since anyone going to the trouble of using one will paint it anyhow.
Thanks. You can post the reply in the other thread to keep this one on topic if you don't mind. Its the Flesh Paint Bundle and the Daemonettes Paint Bundle along with the aforementioned Blue Black Bundle that were in the original rumor.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
It will sure be interesting to see how well this box sell.
The forum reactions has ben very positive from the start, but I have a feeling
it wont really attract that many new players (that is, from 40k to 30k) unless GW itself support the
range with proper rules or start selling the Imperial armour books in store.
Perhaps most entusiasts are few but loudly articulated on the forums.
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Well for me I'm going to buy the box but wait until the dark angels rules come out to get fully invested. See what the elites and HQ's are going to be and what not. Plus I hope they get a flavored Contemptor.
Fayric wrote: It will sure be interesting to see how well this box sell.
The forum reactions has ben very positive from the start, but I have a feeling
it wont really attract that many new players (that is, from 40k to 30k) unless GW itself support the
range with proper rules or start selling the Imperial armour books in store.
Perhaps most entusiasts are few but loudly articulated on the forums.
Lets look at this another way:
- The Mk IV armour and Cataphractii twp of the most popular sets that FW makes.
- FW is over capacity, that why they are falling behind.
- GW wouldn't make a mold for injected molded plastic unless the sales volume was high enough to justify the expense.
- The plastic sprues have the parts of 9 different resin kits:
+ Legion Mk IV Armour
+ Tigerus Bolters
+ Tigerus Bolt Pistols & Pouches
+ Space Marine Special Weapons Pack
+ Legion Mk IV Command Upgrade Set
+ Legion Mk IV Power Weapon Set
+ Cataphractii Bodies
+ Cataphractii power fist set
+ Cataphractii special weapons.
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
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What frankr said, plus: look at the latest Ultramarine releases (Praetorian & Invictarii) - they're conversion kits for Mk IV. Might we see these bundled with with plastic leg/arm sprues? (not sure about backpacks, but it's a thought...)
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Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
There's nothing about those two that makes them mutually exclusive and equally important. FW straining with production (and losing sales when things go OOP temporarily) AND getting old and new customers into the tabletop game that they don't profess to focus on anymore (lol, GAMES workshop) could easily be hitting two birds with one stone.
I just recieved two full copies of the game plus giant banners and little oddbits to give away. Opening it in 30 seconds....
....and lo!.....The Age of Sigmar came to an end when Saint Veetock and his hamster legions smote the false Sigmar and destroyed the bubbleverse and lead the true believers back to the Old World.
Fayric wrote: It will sure be interesting to see how well this box sell.
The forum reactions has ben very positive from the start, but I have a feeling
it wont really attract that many new players (that is, from 40k to 30k) unless GW itself support the
range with proper rules or start selling the Imperial armour books in store.
Perhaps most entusiasts are few but loudly articulated on the forums.
Lets look at this another way:
- The Mk IV armour and Cataphractii twp of the most popular sets that FW makes.
- FW is over capacity, that why they are falling behind.
- GW wouldn't make a mold for injected molded plastic unless the sales volume was high enough to justify the expense.
- The plastic sprues have the parts of 9 different resin kits:
+ Legion Mk IV Armour
+ Tigerus Bolters
+ Tigerus Bolt Pistols & Pouches
+ Space Marine Special Weapons Pack
+ Legion Mk IV Command Upgrade Set
+ Legion Mk IV Power Weapon Set
+ Cataphractii Bodies
+ Cataphractii power fist set
+ Cataphractii special weapons.
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
That's another way to look at this!
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mikhaila wrote: I just recieved two full copies of the game plus giant banners and little oddbits to give away. Opening it in 30 seconds....
YOU TEASE! Share!
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Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
That's another way to look at this!
Except that MSRP isn't what matters this, gross margin is what matters; and we have no idea what that is for any of this.
That said resin casting is extremely manual intensive, especially when compared with the machines used for plastic models which can probably press more plastic sprues in a day than FW can cast the resin equivalent for in a month.
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Does anyone have some good pics of the marines in pa? Im not a big fan of mkIV. I prefer mkIII. What I've seen of the power armored guys isnt very impressive. It looks like a poorer quality than a regular Tac squad but better than AoBR.
Red Marine wrote: Does anyone have some good pics of the marines in pa? Im not a big fan of mkIV. I prefer mkIII. What I've seen of the power armored guys isnt very impressive. It looks like a poorer quality than a regular Tac squad but better than AoBR.
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
That's another way to look at this!
Except that MSRP isn't what matters this, gross margin is what matters; and we have no idea what that is for any of this.
That said resin casting is extremely manual intensive, especially when compared with the machines used for plastic models which can probably press more plastic sprues in a day than FW can cast the resin equivalent for in a month.
All I know & care about is that I am saving $440.50 (in FW equiv models) & getting a 1k 30k starter army for a total of $127.50!
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Except that MSRP isn't what matters this, gross margin is what matters; and we have no idea what that is for any of this.
That said resin casting is extremely manual intensive, especially when compared with the machines used for plastic models which can probably press more plastic sprues in a day than FW can cast the resin equivalent for in a month.
From my perspective as a player and hobbyist, first of all, plastic is an infinitely easier medium to deal with, because 30 copies of the same part will be identical to each other and artifact free. On the other hand, 30 copies of a resin model is 30 different pieces of resin, each with little pits and bits that have to be meticulously filed down, filled, and sanded. It can take twice as long for me to prep a FW model ad it does to *finish* a GW plastic. Mind you, I'm anal aboutnot, and my paintbrush won't hit the model unless the model is perfect. That can mean removing every stud to polish a surface to smoothness, and then putting new studs on, for example.
So personally, I have no desire to build and model 60 x 28mm non character infantry, because that can be 200 hours of prep. No thanks. On a character or really special vehicle? Sure thing. But on grunts, for me it'd just be a grind.
Looking at it from the outside in, margins are less important than gross profits and any long term benefits, such as more HH players. I can say for sure that if there were more HH plastics, our group would be more likely to play it, despite higher prices. On the other hand, GW would be robbing from Paul to pay Peter: They'd just be shifting sales, not making more sales, and frankly, there's a lot less overall to model in the 30k universe than 40k. Anyways, I think the cost of manufacture and distribution relative to the selling price is miniscule (the gross margin) for either.
Overall, I'm very happy with the move to plastic of tactical and cataphracti, as these are generally models I'd eat up in plastic but stay away from in resin (again, because of the sheer numbers). I also really love the 2 heroes.
Thanks for the reply, but i saw those already. Blurry & poorly lit. I was hoping for something a little better. Im on the fence about buying some boxes. I really like the HH books but the models in the box, especially the ones in power armor look rather meh.
mikhaila wrote:
I just recieved two full copies of the game plus giant banners and little oddbits to give away. Opening it in 30 seconds....
YOU TEASE! Share!
Ha, sorry, didn't mean to be cruel. Just confirming that some stores do have them incoming. We had to commit to a serious amount of boxes to get the demo copies. We aren't suppose to show them off until Saturday. So if you come by the shop don't peak.
But i can't post picturees, GW would have me on a rack in about 5 minutes
....and lo!.....The Age of Sigmar came to an end when Saint Veetock and his hamster legions smote the false Sigmar and destroyed the bubbleverse and lead the true believers back to the Old World.
4,000 
Word Bearers 1,500 
Just confirming that some stores do have them incoming. We had to commit to a serious amount of boxes to get the demo copies. We aren't suppose to show them off until Saturday. So if you come by the shop don't peak.