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I think that definitely looks like a Dark Angel.

But, can anyone go back and make sure White Dwarf hasn't been doing this for a long time? Perhaps they've been doing this for a while so that when you put them on a bookshelf, they look cool, and we just haven't noticed before.

Why isn't february over yet.. The Lord of the Rings curtain is much more effective than the Iron Curtain

GW uses the iron curtain to stop leaks from getting out..but the LOTR curtain blocks anyone from even wanting to know what secrets are behind it

Nah most of the time its just block colours.

Grakmar wrote:I think that definitely looks like a Dark Angel.

But, can anyone go back and make sure White Dwarf hasn't been doing this for a long time? Perhaps they've been doing this for a while so that when you put them on a bookshelf, they look cool, and we just haven't noticed before.

It's generally always block colors.

Dark Angels. GW regional manager told me so.

And they are ALWAYS right!

I don't think we need a regional manager's word when it's glaringly obvious.

But that's the only time we get a regional manager's word!

n0t_u wrote:But that's the only time we get a regional manager's word!

True that.

Is there any rumor at all on who is writing this one? I dont think it could be Ward seeing as how he was on crons. Probably Kelly... Hopefully. I like my DA fluff the way it is

I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Kan on something, but what can I say? When you're right, you're right. Ward is the best bet for a solid codex, even if it does get goofy sometimes.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Really? Because Wolves, Orks, and Eldar (when they first came out) have/had many different builds that can be effective. Orks are an older army that can still do very well. I guess if you like having your characters carve names into demon primarchs and BA teaming up with necrons then have at it. In every book that Ward writes there's a new "Best fighter/tactician" in the galaxy award. It went from Calgar to Donte to Draigo to Stormlord. His fluff is terrible and other than GKs his armies arent great

daedalus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Kan on something, but what can I say? When you're right, you're right. Ward is the best bet for a solid codex, even if it does get goofy sometimes.

And with that I think I can here Satan skating to work today. Matt Ward love in dakkadakka thread, you heard it here first. I see your point but personally i'd like to see kelly write it even if it does turn a little samey as the old dex. They are good as they are mostly we don't need a complete rethink or anything silly.

I really hope ward doesnt get orks when their time comes. Thraka would be teaming up with Yarrick and female orks would pop up outta no where

I think the best codex writer is actually a combination.

Have Ward do the rules, have Kelly do the fluff.

ceorron wrote:

daedalus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Kan on something, but what can I say? When you're right, you're right. Ward is the best bet for a solid codex, even if it does get goofy sometimes.

And with that I think I can here Satan skating to work today. Matt Ward love in dakkadakka thread, you heard it here first. I see your point but personally i'd like to see kelly write it even if it does turn a little samey as the old dex. They are good as they are mostly we don't need a complete rethink or anything silly.

And i dont Hate Matt Ward. Im currently playing BA and they're my Favorite (play style wise) army in the game. It takes tactics to win with BA with all the GKs running about. And to be fair i also have a GK army. I just dont like his fluff and his codices are incredibly inconsistent. The only really good codex he has is GK

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Seconded.

Please keep the Phail guy busy doing Dreadfeet 2 or whatever.

Grakmar wrote:I think the best codex writer is actually a combination.

Have Ward do the rules, have Kelly do the fluff.

Thunderwolves and Mowgli-Marine? Thunderhawk stealing Blood Claws? Black-holes-in-a-box? Seriously, compared to the drivel Kelly writes, Ward's fluff is pure Shakespeare.

Kanluwen wrote:I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

So, what's your argument?

Chosen Praetorian wrote:I really hope ward doesnt get orks when their time comes. Thraka would be teaming up with Yarrick and female orks would pop up outta no where

Back in the early days of 40k fluff, the Imperium would have Commisars work and live with Ork Warlords in order to direct their efforts away from the Imperium and there were female Orks. The old White Dwarf issues ran articles on that sort of thing.

His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

Not that I am aware of. Space Wolves spam Long Fangs and Grey Hunters. Dark Eldar spam Ravagers and randomly filled MSU-spam (yah, you can fit your Venoms with Warriors or Wyches or whatever, but's not like it makes a difference). Orks largely have Ghaz and little else.

Kelly Codexes stand out a mile wide for the worst internal balance, the most blatant spam and the least inspired lists since the game was conceived. The guy is a blight upon the hobby like no other.

Zweischneid wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Seconded.

Please keep the Phail guy busy doing Dreadfeet 2 or whatever.

Grakmar wrote:I think the best codex writer is actually a combination.

Have Ward do the rules, have Kelly do the fluff.

Thunderwolves and Mowgli-Marine? Thunderhawk stealing Blood Claws? Black-holes-in-a-box? Seriously, compared to the drivel Kelly writes, Ward's fluff is pure Shakespeare.

Well I'll be sure not to ask what you think of the new necron fluff if thats your opinion. I agree that the wolves were out there but thats one out of 1 out of 4 for Kelly's bad fluff compared to Wards 4 for 4 for bad fluff with Everyone wanting to be and Ultramarine, Necrons teaming with BA, Draigo, and Necrons loosing all of their fluff that tied them into the imperium (void dragon) and the stormlord being the trash that he is (fluff wise). They destroyed the Adeptus Machanicus being taken over by necrons which was a huge blow for me and alot of people i know.


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Zweischneid wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

Not that I am aware of. Space Wolves spam Long Fangs and Grey Hunters. Dark Eldar spam Ravagers and randomly filled MSU-spam (yah, you can fit your Venoms with Warriors or Wyches or whatever, but's not like it makes a difference). Orks largely have Ghaz and little else.

Kelly Codexes stand out a mile wide for the worst internal balance, the most blatant spam and the least inspired lists since the game was conceived. The guy is a blight upon the hobby like no other.

Well if you're not aware of them then maybe that says something about your gaming abilities and to be more accurate, there's only one list that you're good enough to see

Gotta say obviously a DA. Judging from the draughtmenship it is a Gallagher piece (probably expressed earlier in the thread, unless you've been uncharacteristcly lax) and comparing it to his previous DA work (i.e. the front cover of the previous edition lol) the colouration is consistant. I would put it at 5% at it not being a DA.

Zweischneid wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

Not that I am aware of. Space Wolves spam Long Fangs and Grey Hunters. Dark Eldar spam Ravagers and randomly filled MSU-spam (yah, you can fit your Venoms with Warriors or Wyches or whatever, but's not like it makes a difference). Orks largely have Ghaz and little else.

Kelly Codexes stand out a mile wide for the worst internal balance, the most blatant spam and the least inspired lists since the game was conceived. The guy is a blight upon the hobby like no other.

(Even though Zweischnied is reiterating sentiment already expressed, he said it best)


I had never thought about it that way, the OT part of this thread has actually been really interesting.

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Well I'll be sure not to ask what you think of the new necron fluff if thats your opinion. I agree that the wolves were out there but thats one out of 1 out of 4 for Kelly's bad fluff compared to Wards 4 for 4 for bad fluff with Everyone wanting to be and Ultramarine, Necrons teaming with BA, Draigo, and Necrons loosing all of their fluff that tied them into the imperium (void dragon) and the stormlord being the trash that he is (fluff wise). They destroyed the Adeptus Machanicus being taken over by necrons which was a huge blow for me and alot of people i know.

I am not sure where you see the 3 "not bad" for Kelly? Dark Eldar being suddenly getting a Bugs-Bunny theme with Looney-Toon-style Black-Holes-in-a-Box is easily the stupidest thing I've ever written. Inept naming like the Decapitor-wieding-Decapitor-decapitation-people didn't help either (If Kelly gets the DA-Codex, they'll probably have SCs called "Bolter" and "Chainsword"). And his blatantly expositionary and descriptive writing style "Vect is the most intelligent Dark Eldar" ; "Dark Eldar are the most depraved" could put down a Bull Elephant without narcotics. If you like spelling-failures, you may like the Ork book, granted. But Eldar singlehandedly broke 4th edition in ways no book has since managed. And it's fluff was largely copy-&-paste anyhow.

SW - Long Fang spam, Loganwing, Pod lists, Twolf spam
Orks - Nob spam, Killa wall, horde
DE - Venom spam, Rider spam

You have an opinion. Great. I think you're wrong.

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Well if you're not aware of them then maybe that says something about your gaming abilities and to be more accurate, there's only one list that you're good enough to see

Well, that is the problem. If literally EVERYONE who ever fields those armies fields those lists, than it is kinda hard to see something else.

I've fought numerous people with Blood Angels. What did I face: All-Death Company armies, All-Jumper Armies, MSU-Armies, Deathstar-Termy/LR armies, Dante's Golden Army, Drop Pod armies, Dreadnaught-heavy armies, Scout-heavy armies, Tank-shock armies, Infiltrate-outflank armies, etc.. .. Each unique to play and play against. Each with distinct strategic benefits and drawback. Each a wonderful contribution to the game and the hobby.

I've fought numerious people with Space Wolves: 3x Long Fangs with ML. Without exception. Also, JoTWW.

Seriously, I tried closing my eyes and not see the travesty Kelly has bestowed upon the formally wonderful armies given over to his hand. But it's hard to ignore for even the most willfully ignorant.


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His Master's Voice wrote:SW - Long Fang spam, Loganwing, Pod lists, Twolf spam
Orks - Nob spam, Killa wall, horde
DE - Venom spam, Rider spam

You have an opinion. Great. I think you're wrong.

So two or three each? Goddamn, there're less lists in three Kelly Codexes than in half of every Ward Codex than.

Kelly's fluff writing is of a DIFFERENT LEAGUE compared to Ward's. Little frivolities like Black holes in a box and Mowgli wolfborn are just little bits of throaway indulgnece for the slightly younger fans. Not the backbone of the army.

Let's hear all the competitive lists Grey Knights can present then.

Zweischneid wrote:I've fought numerous people with Blood Angels. What did I face: All-Death Company armies, All-Jumper Armies, MSU-Armies, Deathstar-Termy/LR armies, Dante's Golden Army, Drop Pod armies, Dreadnaught-heavy armies, Scout-heavy armies, Tank-shock armies, Infiltrate-outflank armies, etc.. .. Each unique to play and play against. Each with distinct strategic benefits and drawback. Each a wonderful contribution to the game and the hobby.

Edit: Just saw the above. Looks like we're operating with different definitions of competitive. Death Company? Dread spam? Tank shock? Really? We might as well call Grot spam a competitive list then.

His Master's Voice wrote:Let's hear all the competitive lists Grey Knights can present then.

Henchmen spam
Draigowing
Purifer-spam
Hulksmash just won a GT with Strike spam

That's 4 off the top of my head.