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**Necros**

I got my power back yesterday around 5pm, my GF about a half hour away is still down. Her whole town is fine, but she's in the middle of a dead zone in a 2 block radius around her house.

Where I work in Ft. Washington we're still on generator power, whole town is still dark.

**Iur_tae_mont**

Easy E wrote:
Brownie of Katrina fame was criticizing the President's response to Sandy.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/264845-bushs-brownie-criticizes-obama-on-sandy

Michael Brown, former President George W. Bush's former FEMA director who was criticized for his slow reaction to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, said on Monday that President Obama may have acted too quickly on Hurricane Sandy this week.

Brown said Obama's Sunday press conference with Federal Emergency Management Agency officials was "premature" because the effect of the storm was not felt until a day later.

"It's premature [when] the brunt of the storm won't happen until later this afternoon," Brown said Monday, according to Denver Westward.

Brown said he was concerned about Obama's early remarks because people in the Northeast were "already beginning to blow it off." He added that Obama's comments on Sunday were leading New Yorkers to start "shrugging their shoulders" and ask "what's this all about?"

Brown, now a talk radio host in Colorado, said Obama was likely trying to get ahead of the storm politically.

"[He] doesn't want anybody to accuse him of not being on top of it or not paying attention or playing politics in the middle of it," Brown said. "He probably figured Sunday was a good day to do a press conference."

Brown added that the message Obama should have sent is one that says the administration will help FEMA with whatever it needs to handle the effect of the hurricane. Obama largely said that on Sunday, when he said the government needs to "respond big" to the storm and that he would not let the process of responding get "bogged down in a lot of rules."

Brown, famously dubbed "Brownie" by Bush, was harshly criticized by both Democrats and Republicans for the way FEMA handled Hurricane Katrina in 2005. That storm left New Orleans residents in a chaotic struggle to find food, clean water and shelter, and FEMA was widely seen as reacting too slowly to that event.

The Bush administration was also criticized for appointing Brown to lead FEMA when he had no disaster relief experience. Brown was relieved of his control over the Katrina response after just a few weeks.

Brown later criticized state-level officials and former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin for failing to evacuate New Orleans quickly enough. Brown said cities in Mississippi and Alabama were evacuated on time, and added that his "biggest mistake" was not realizing that Louisiana was "dysfunctional."

That's a pretty ballsy statement for Brownie to make.

IMO this is how all hurricanes should be treated. It's not like they just appear 20 miles offshore out of nowhere. We have a pretty good idea where it's going to hit about 2-3 days before it actually hits. It only makes sense that we should be getting the response ready before it hits.

**Experiment 626**

The only way to save the stupid people from themselves though would be to order the National Guard to go into homes and forcibly remove the idiots who think it's a brilliant idea to ride-out a hurricane on a stretch of coastline that's sometimes even below sea level!

Of corse, doing that would cause those same idiots to likely take-up arms against the guys trying to save their worthless lives...

In the end, hurricanes typically only kill stupid people.
Those who are dependent on others to get them out of harm's way, (such as nursing home residents), are at least typically taken to shelters/major hospitals that have trained staff to help keep everyone as safe as possible.

Moral of the story: if you're stupid enough to stay in harm's way/run about outside in a hurricane, you're an idiot who gets what you deserve!

Seriously, how many people think it's a bright idea to stay in a burning building?! Staying at/below sea level with a hurricane bearing down on you is the same level of supreme stupidity!
Now please kindly remove yourself from the genepool before you pollute it any further!

**Frazzled**

Experiment 626 wrote:
The only way to save the stupid people from themselves though would be to order the National Guard to go into homes and forcibly remove the idiots who think it's a brilliant idea to ride-out a hurricane on a stretch of coastline that's sometimes even below sea level!
Of corse, doing that would cause those same idiots to likely take-up arms against the guys trying to save their worthless lives...

In the end, hurricanes typically only kill stupid people.
Those who are dependent on others to get them out of harm's way, (such as nursing home residents), are at least typically taken to shelters/major hospitals that have trained staff to help keep everyone as safe as possible.

Moral of the story: if you're stupid enough to stay in harm's way/run about outside in a hurricane, you're an idiot who gets what you deserve!

Seriously, how many people think it's a bright idea to stay in a burning building?! Staying at/below sea level with a hurricane bearing down on you is the same level of supreme stupidity!
Now please kindly remove yourself from the genepool before you pollute it any further!

I had a relative die in Katrina. She was in the hospital and the hospital was evacuated. The vehicle took hours to get out and she died.

**AustonT**

reds8n wrote:
http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/skeleton_found_in_upended_tree_on_green/

THEY FOUND HOFFA.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Frazzled wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:
The only way to save the stupid people from themselves though would be to order the National Guard to go into homes and forcibly remove the idiots who think it's a brilliant idea to ride-out a hurricane on a stretch of coastline that's sometimes even below sea level!
Of corse, doing that would cause those same idiots to likely take-up arms against the guys trying to save their worthless lives...

In the end, hurricanes typically only kill stupid people.
Those who are dependent on others to get them out of harm's way, (such as nursing home residents), are at least typically taken to shelters/major hospitals that have trained staff to help keep everyone as safe as possible.

Moral of the story: if you're stupid enough to stay in harm's way/run about outside in a hurricane, you're an idiot who gets what you deserve!

Seriously, how many people think it's a bright idea to stay in a burning building?! Staying at/below sea level with a hurricane bearing down on you is the same level of supreme stupidity!
Now please kindly remove yourself from the genepool before you pollute it any further!

I had a relative die in Katrina. She was in the hospital and the hospital was evacuated. The vehicle took hours to get out and she died.

That's tragic Fraz, my condolences to you and yours.

But I am fairly certain he was talking about able bodied folks with the option to leave their homes who doggedly refuse to budge, or the crazy arseholes who were going out to try and surf it or secure their boats, risking their lives.

My father and grandfather both served in the coastguard in the UK and I fething hate that they and others like them in the emergency services have to risk their own lives due to the sheer idiocy of certain selfish bastards. The village I was born and raised in, Mousehole, lost it's lifeboat with all hands because an idiot decided to take needless risk whilst in charge of a cargo ship. I lost two cousins on the lifeboat, the Solomon Browne.

We saw it again in this storm, why on earth was a tallship ANYWHERE near this storm, we've had a week plus of warning and still idiots take risks and the emergency workers have to risk their lives to rescue them.

**Frazzled**

Agreed.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Fully agree with MGS on the Bounty, seriously, what the HELL was any ship with sail to her name doing any where in the path of that beastie?

I'd also like to thank the left centered media for forcing me to break my silence till after the debate by revealing the sheer DEPTH of Governor Romney's evil! The man sent a big check and a ton of physical supplies to the Red Cross! My GOD how long will we as a NATION put up with this horsegak? I even saw one website accused the Governor of only sending supplies to GOP swing states.

HOW!? Holy Hera he is telling all his supporters to donate and give to the Red Cross, not to mention sending his personal efforts that direction as well... and of course the Red Cross has it's reputation for being so incredibly partisan...

I.... GAH

I don't even like the man but this is just stupid.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Dad took a few photos

Shed doesn't look to good but its contents look relatively unaffected.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Good thing the tree nearly/ or did, hit the Honda instead of the Mercedes...that'd be mucho expensivo to fix

**Experiment 626**

Well, the New York City Marathon is officially cancelled now.
So the city can add another 350'ish million or so to it's total economic losses caused by Sandy.

Here's betting that come the start of hurricane season next year, 'Sandy' gets retired from the name book.

Now, how long do we think it'll take for the governments & city planners to get it through their heads that NYC should have actual flood gates & barriers?!
Seriously, the world's 3rd most heavily populated flood prone city and it's got litterly nothing to prevent mass flooding? Call me crazy, but doesn't it make more sense to spend the $2 billion or whatever to put in proper flood defenses than to spend upwards of $50+ billion to clean the mess up?!

**Ensis Ferrae**

Experiment 626 wrote:

Here's betting that come the start of hurricane season next year, 'Sandy' gets retired from the name book.

I wonder how many names we have to retire before we get to the "ethnic" names? Hurricane Jose would be fething hysterical!

Also, I think that NY would make some of the money lost by the marathon if they had hockey to play.

**timetowaste85**

My grandparents live in the hamptons on long island. They stayed in their house during this, and every hurricane. Why? Because when they were younger, they did evacuate, but after repeated false alarms, they stopped. Bad as this one was, they just lost power for a week. At least they have double-solitaire by candle light!

**Necros**

We were lucky this time especially seeing how bad it was for some now that I got cable back. I had no power for 1 day, no cable or internet till last night. Girlfriend had no power for 2 days. My family has a shore house that we all share in Ventnor NJ (town right next to AC) and luckily all we got was water under the house and some siding blew off. Luckily our first floor is like 4 feet off the ground, we have a big crawl space that will need to be cleaned/pumped out

**Experiment 626**

timetowaste85 wrote:
My grandparents live in the hamptons on long island. They stayed in their house during this, and every hurricane. Why? Because when they were younger, they did evacuate, but after repeated false alarms, they stopped. Bad as this one was, they just lost power for a week. At least they have double-solitaire by candle light!

It's still silly to stay put if you live on/near the coast though.

I can partly understand older folks thinking "they always say it's going to be horribad and nothin' ever happens", but consider the fact that pretty much all of those 'false alarms' were about 20-30+ years ago!
Forcasting has come miles from the days of Hurricane Andrew or Hurricane Hazel. (or even Hurricane Flyod that turned into a near miss in fall '98!) Staying put in a low laying area - especially an area that has 0 flood barriers, is being stubborn and foolish. NOAA is likely the best organisation in the world at forecasting major storms and predicting their likely tracks, so nowadays when they say "you should really GTFO!", you honestly should heed the warnings. I know I would!

Heck, we weren't slated for anything more than the likely potential for 100km/h wind gusts and potential flash flooding. I still made sure that I had plenty of frozen water in case we lost power, as well as sweeping up around the storm drain every time the leaves piled back up to help prevent any flooding.

It's better to be a little over-prepared and cautious than ignorant and dead. Not to mention that every person who ignored the evacuation orders also ended up putting the lives of rescue personal at needless risk.

**reds8n**

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227739/Hurricane-Sandy-Heart-warming-photos-Eastcoasters-rocked-Sandy-came-time-need-random-acts-generosity.html

good for them !

**kronk**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:

Here's betting that come the start of hurricane season next year, 'Sandy' gets retired from the name book.

I wonder how many names we have to retire before we get to the "ethnic" names? Hurricane Jose would be fething hysterical!

Names get retired whenever there is a particularly bad storm. Ike, Andrew, and Katrina come to mind.

I'm not entirely sure what you're calling "ethnic" names, but this year's list has Ernesto, Alberto, and Rafael on it. 2011 had Jose. Since it wasn't a major storm, it will likely circle back around on the list in 2021. The list repeats every 10 years.

**Ensis Ferrae**

kronk wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:

Here's betting that come the start of hurricane season next year, 'Sandy' gets retired from the name book.

I wonder how many names we have to retire before we get to the "ethnic" names? Hurricane Jose would be fething hysterical!

Names get retired whenever there is a particularly bad storm. Ike, Andrew, and Katrina come to mind.

I'm not entirely sure what you're calling "ethnic" names, but this year's list has Ernesto, Alberto, and Rafael on it. 2011 had Jose. Since it wasn't a major storm, it will likely circle back around on the list in 2021. The list repeats every 10 years.

I guess that they do use ethnic names, given the ones that you listed.

**kronk**

If you're interested, you can see the current list here.

Just click on the year to see the storm names. They repeat every 10 years, I think.

**d-usa**

Wouldn't the right love Hurricane Barry to be a monster...

**Experiment 626**

kronk wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:

Here's betting that come the start of hurricane season next year, 'Sandy' gets retired from the name book.

I wonder how many names we have to retire before we get to the "ethnic" names? Hurricane Jose would be fething hysterical!

Names get retired whenever there is a particularly bad storm. Ike, Andrew, and Katrina come to mind.

I'm not entirely sure what you're calling "ethnic" names, but this year's list has Ernesto, Alberto, and Rafael on it. 2011 had Jose. Since it wasn't a major storm, it will likely circle back around on the list in 2021. The list repeats every 10 years.

Sandy will rate as likely the 2nd most destructive storm in US history when all is said and done, which should put it firmly in the company of Andrew & Katrina.
Katrina cost the US what, an estimated $80 billion in damages & lost productivity? Sandy's early estimates are looking at potentially hitting the $50-$60 billion range.

Not to mention, it also turned into a 'Superstorm' due to the cold front that came down from Canada and acted as a magnet to drag Sandy into the worst possible area it could've hit, and added to it's sustained strength.

**Bromsy**

If we're doing ethnic names, I want Hurricane Styrbjorn. Or Gunnar.

**d-usa**

I would love Hurricane Winter.

Just so we can all say "Winter is coming..."

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
I would love Hurricane Winter.

Just so we can all say "Winter is coming..."

Nice Game of Thrones reference...

**kronk**

Experiment 626 wrote:

Sandy will rate as likely the 2nd most destructive storm in US history when all is said and done, which should put it firmly in the company of Andrew & Katrina.
Katrina cost the US what, an estimated $80 billion in damages & lost productivity? Sandy's early estimates are looking at potentially hitting the $50-$60 billion range.

Not to mention, it also turned into a 'Superstorm' due to the cold front that came down from Canada and acted as a magnet to drag Sandy into the worst possible area it could've hit, and added to it's sustained strength.

Yep. Sandy will likely be retired from the name list. Horrible storm. Stay dry and warm, folks!

What did New York dress up as for Halloween?

New Orleans.

**Experiment 626**

So... Has anyone else heard about the massive nor-easter that's now bearing down on the same region Sandy leveled?

By late week, New York & Jersey could be getting 35-70mm of more rain, and some areas will be getting wind gusts of upto 95-100km/h. Because clearly, the poor folks there don't have enough troubles to deal with already.

**kronk**

Local power crews from Houston and some from my old home town (Shreveport LA) left last week to help repair down power lines so people can get their heaters working again (those that don't use heating oil, anyway). Hopefully they, along with everyone else that's lending a hand, can get power up to most folks before the winter storms start hitting.

**reds8n**

http://sesamestreet.tumblr.com/post/35210842527/on-friday-well-be-airing-a-very-special-episode