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 Psienesis wrote:
He might be rude, but he's not incorrect.

No, he's just rude and incorrect.

Besides, there's no such thing as an original idea in 40K, so it isn't even worth mentioning, other than to be needlessly unpleasant (this is a Sisters thread though, so unpleasant people are to be expected). The whole hobby is a rip-off of other ideas, themes, tropes, and sometimes only thinly veiled theft of intellectual property. And there's really nothing wrong with that. But realistically, there aren't that many "Chaos Tau" or "Chaos Sisters" floating around out there. Put "Chaos Tau" into Google. Tell me just exactly how many relevant search results it gives you. The reality is that sometimes people have the same idea. And the TS never asked if it was an original idea, just if it would work with the fluff. The answer is yes, it does.

The reality is, there's a precedence for everything in 40K because it's a universe that has been built around the idea that basically nothing is impossible other than female Space Marines and a reconciliation between players when it comes to the canon. There have been numerous examples of corrupted Sisters in the assorted fluff, and the likely reason why there is no rules for them in the tabletop codex books? Sisters of Battle players are a tiny percentage of total players as is. GW isn't going to make rules and models for a Chaos version of everything, and certainly have less incentive to make them for the models they don't even sell the regular versions of in large quantities. Why does only Forgeworld make Chaos Ogryns? Because GW doesn't even bother to try to sell the regular ones anymore.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The reality is, there's a precedence for everything in 40K because it's a universe that has been built around the idea that basically nothing is impossible other than female Space Marines

So you're cool with anything happening in the 40K fluff, regardless of deviance from previous canon, but female Marines is the one thing that goes too far? That seems oddly specific. If you're taking the mindset that anything can indeed happen, then female Marines is as easy as the Imperium somehow finding a new/improved process for creating Marines that allows for female recipients. Even easier, Slaanesh could, and probably would, flip a Marine's gender.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
There have been numerous examples of corrupted Sisters in the assorted fluff, the likely reason why there is no rules for them in the tabletop codex books? Sisters of Battle players are a tiny percentage of total players as is.

Or, you know, the codexes have consistently talked about resistant to corruption the Sisters are. When you've got years of codex fluff talking about how strong their faith is, of course there isn't going to be any fluff or rules for Chaos Sisters.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
[(this is a Sisters thread though, so unpleasant people are to be expected)

Was there really any need for this?

Troike wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
[(this is a Sisters thread though, so unpleasant people are to be expected)

Was there really any need for this?

Reread your post, decide for yourself.

How was I being unpleasant? I was just talking about the nature of 40K fluff and making some counter-points to your points on it. Business as usual on a 40K forum, really.

Your tone is rude, condescending, and combative, coming right from my post talking about how the previous poster was rude and combative for no reason.

Let's be realistic here. You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, lol. And you just so happen to be one of the typical posters in a Sisters of Battle thread.

Point... proven.


Chaos corrupted female Marines aren't Space Marines. They are Chaos Space Marines. There are almost no consistent pieces of fluff in 40K. One of the only things that was printed in the 80s, and still exists now in more or less it's exact same form, is that when they make Space Marines for whatever "It's science" reasons, only works with male zygotes.

But, that's exactly my point, which you missed in your hurry to be unpleasant, is that there's almost nothing impossible in 40K, nothing that has changed, even fundamentally, other than "Space Marines are all male". And I'm not saying it couldn't change. I'm just saying it hasn't. You were apparently in too much of a hurry to fail at being clever to realize that.

And there aren't "years" of Sisters codex books saying anything, lol. There have been two, if we're going to live by the rules of studio material being the only "official" stuff. And the 2nd Edition book doesn't say a thing about them being incorruptible.

Troike wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:(this is a Sisters thread though, so unpleasant people are to be expected)

Was there really any need for this?

To be fair, he kind of delivered the proof in the same breath as the claim.

This is far from the first SoB thread where he shows up with such an attitude (which he himself fails to recognise), so I suppose it's a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:And there aren't "years" of Sisters codex books saying anything, lol. There have been two, if we're going to live by the rules of studio material being the only "official" stuff. And the 2nd Edition book doesn't say a thing about them being incorruptible.

Aside from you apparently not being aware of the Sisters' army lists in the Codex Imperialis, Codex Witch Hunters, White Dwarf #211, Chapter Approved 2002, the 3rd edition rulebook, and the 5E White Dwarf minidex, ...
(not all of those count as codices, but they all count as studio rules)

"Formed from the most physically adept of the Adepta Sororitas, the Battle Sisters of the Orders Militant are the main fighting force of the Ecclesiarchy. Totally incorruptible and dedicated to a life of penitent worship and humble living, the Sororitas are used to enforce the will of the Emperor as interpreted by the Ecclesiarch and the Holy Synod."
- 2E C:SoB p.57

The problem is, I never arrive in these threads with such an attitude. It's just that I have expert opinions the unpleasant people don't like. And I'm better at being unpleasant once provoked because my feelings can't be hurt and I'm not emotionally invested in any of the topics.

The problem is, you're taking fluff text and enacting it as if it was anything other than the same kind of meaningless filler that all codex books have. Space Marines are also described as "Utterly loyal" (C:UM p.49). It's just more codex hyperbole. The reality is that there is nothing in that book that describes the Sisters as having any kind of resistance to corruption. This, however, is an advantage for obstinate Sisters fans. Because the game doesn't care about their fluff, there isn't much of it.

I told the Iron Hands players to be careful what they wished for. Typically, having GW ignore your faction and its fluff is the best thing that ever happened to them.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Your tone is rude, condescending, and combative, coming right from my post talking about how the previous poster was rude and combative for no reason.

And coming in and calling regular participants in SoB threads "unpleasant people" is perfectly polite?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Chaos corrupted female Marines aren't Space Marines. They are Chaos Space Marines. There are almost no consistent pieces of fluff in 40K. One of the only things that was printed in the 80s, and still exists now in more or less it's exact same form, is that when they make Space Marines for whatever "It's science" reasons, only works with male zygotes.

But, that's exactly my point, which you missed in your hurry to be unpleasant, is that there's almost nothing impossible in 40K, nothing that has changed, even fundamentally, other than "Space Marines are all male". And I'm not saying it couldn't change. I'm just saying it hasn't. You were apparently in too much of a hurry to fail at being clever to realize that.

Actually, you didn't say any of this earlier. You just said that "no female Marines" was the one thing in 40K fluff that was impossible.

Also, a Marine who betrays the Emperor and goes over to Chaos is still a Space Marine. And even then, a Marine needn't join Chaos to be altered by it. I recall somebody mentioning how, in the latest Daemons codex, Tzeentch just gives some Marines the ability to know when somebody is lying.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
And there aren't "years" of Sisters codex books saying anything, lol. There have been two, if we're going to live by the rules of studio material being the only "official" stuff. And the 2nd Edition book doesn't say a thing about them being incorruptible.

In addition to what Lynata posted, all of these sources have reiterated the "very faithful, very incorruptible" angles of the Sisters. Right to the present day.

Troike wrote:Also, a Marine who betrays the Emperor and goes over to Chaos is still a Space Marine.

Wrong.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The reality is that there is nothing in that book that describes the Sisters as having any kind of resistance to corruption.

Sure there is. They did and currently have Adamantium Will, and there's some studio fluff (from a WD, I think) that talks about how they are impossible to bribe or bargain with.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Troike wrote:Also, a Marine who betrays the Emperor and goes over to Chaos is still a Space Marine.

Wrong.

Why's that, bud? His geneseed doesn't fall out when he joins Chaos, he doesn't stop being a superhuman. Still a Space Marine.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Troike wrote:Also, a Marine who betrays the Emperor and goes over to Chaos is still a Space Marine.

Wrong.

Yes he is. A marine turning to Chaos is a Chaos Space Marine, aka a Space Marine of Chaos, aka a Space Marine serving the Chaos Gods.

Troike wrote:Why's that, bud?

And you got offended when I said people in these threads are unpleasant. I'm not your buddy, guy.

You're grasping at straws regardless. A Space Marine is created, from geneseed, using a young male child. If he later switches to Chaos, and Chaos turns him into a girl, it doesn't change the fact that he had to be male to be a Space Marine in the first place. A Chaos Space Marine is just that. These aren't individually separable terms. It's not a guy who is a Marine, in Space, being Chaotic. He's not a Space Marine serving Chaos. He's a Space Marine which has been irretrievably corrupted, and become a Chaos Space Marine. If he's one which was created as a Chaos Space Marine using stolen geneseed, he's still not a Space Marine, because Chaos is the logic and reality defying essence of 40K. It gets to do what it wants to.

See, Chaos Space Marines aren't an exception to a rule. They're an entirely different set of rules. But hey, the only place even female Chaos Space Marines exist are in fan fluff too.

... if they weren't, they wouldn't call them "Chaos Space Marines". It's right there in their name. If they weren't, they'd have an entirely different name for them.

Regardless, you know that when the counter-argument is semantic, there is no counter-argument.


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 Psienesis wrote:
... if they weren't, they wouldn't call them "Chaos Space Marines". It's right there in their name. If they weren't, they'd have an entirely different name for them.

There are Mexican Marines too, so they must be the exact same thing as British Royal Marines.

I mean, if they weren't they wouldn't call them Marines. It's right there in their name.

Only because the original argument is so deviated from any sense of logic or continuity. The premise that "Chaos Space Marines aren't Space Marines" is flat-out ludicrous. It's less an argument and more an ill-formed and ill-thought opinion, one having no basis or bearing in reality, so obviously self-contradicting, straight out of the gate, that attempting to seriously argue against it provides it with far more legitimacy than it deserves.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm sure SoB can fall to Chaos.

A Tzeentchian trick.
A Nurgle affliction.
A Slaaneshii promise.
A Khornate bloodlust.

Here's some of the better Chaos/Rogue Sister pictures. (IMHO). While searching for this a lot of Chaos SoB concept seem to be "Tits Out", I hope these images prove it doesn't have to be the case. The first image of the particularly ornate Sister is probably my favourite. I'm saddened I couldn't find any Nurgle or Tzeentch Sisters...

More.

Spoiler:

I think sisters could probably fall to chaos too. It's more a matter of every single sister not totally being pure esp. from experiences had over all there years. Certainly some get captured and turned or possibly what they see casts doubt. Also maybe all that brainwashing doesn't completely go through to their own opinions just what they're forced to say aloud.

In warhammer fantasy the lore around Archaeon the everchosen the current supreme leader of chaos forces was actually previously a devout empire priest. It even says that the gods of chaos take particular joy in corrupting those that are devout or something to that effect. What happened is he learned a terrible secret in some of the old manuscripts he read and thought his whole life a lie. He basically went mad and killed his own family. Yeah....point being I think some sisters would end up like him.

Personally I don't mind the idea of slaaneshi sisters but it doesn't have to mean they're sexual. Sometimes sure but you see slaanesh is the prince of excess and their extremely disciplined lifestyle might force them to go in the opposite direction as seen in real life. It could just mean eating what you want, doing drugs a ton, listening to loud music and a lot of other things including sexual things. Lol it's like they turn into miley cyrus. The point though is that they live for the extremes like speed, thrill, loud music, bright colors, etc.

I can see a lot of other chaos gods having their turn at the other sisters. Generally you'd imagine older sisters or ones that fear dying would go nurgle. Khorne is an obvious choice for the ones that are very melee oriented and with a blood frenzy. Tzeentch would honestly be a nice one since he's all about tricking people. Seriously I don't think it's that hard for a god that's been around for millennia or even millions of years or more and knows everything about intricate plans and subtlety to trick some little initiate sister with a strict lifestyle into believing something. I mean he could force her to think her sisters aren't really doing what the emperor originally intended. It wouldn't be far from the truth since he didn't want to be considered a god and worshipped. Perhaps this would end up to a falling out and turning into chaos. The thousand sons were originally loyalist and tried to warn the emperor of horus's treachery. Who could say them going to chaos wasn't tzeentch's plan?

Personally I don't think sisters are incorruptible. I think it's propaganda and they don't release information of fallen sisters and sort of excommunicate them. They could pretend they never existed or that they fell in battle. It'd make just as much sense to me.

If I remember chaos enjoys tainting that which is most holy or turning that which is most devout. It's like a challenge to them.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
And you got offended when I said people in these threads are unpleasant. I'm not your buddy, guy.

I don't think that "bud" is really an unpleasant word. I certainly didn't mean it unplesantly, just conversationally. I've said it to others too, IIRC.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
You're grasping at straws regardless. A Space Marine is created, from geneseed, using a young male child. If he later switches to Chaos, and Chaos turns him into a girl, it doesn't change the fact that he had to be male to be a Space Marine in the first place. A Chaos Space Marine is just that. These aren't individually separable terms. It's not a guy who is a Marine, in Space, being Chaotic. He's not a Space Marine serving Chaos. He's a Space Marine which has been irretrievably corrupted, and become a Chaos Space Marine. If he's one which was created as a Chaos Space Marine using stolen geneseed, he's still not a Space Marine, because Chaos is the logic and reality defying essence of 40K. It gets to do what it wants to.

But your original point was that female Space Marines were "impossible". However, as previous posts laid out, a Chaos Marine is still a Space Marine. Therefore, female Marines are perfectly possible.

And again, a Marine needn't fall to Chaos to be twisted by it.

But they aren't Space Marines. They have an extra word. And that word defines what they are. Chaos Space Marines.

Yes, they might have once been Space Marines, but they can't just decide to not be Chaos one day. It's not a transferable state. One or the other. Never both, and there's no transition between them.

It's either a "Space marine", which follows one set of "rules" in 40K, or it's a "Chaos Space Marine" which follows an entirely different set of rules (much of which is predicated on not having to follow as many rules).

It's like an electric car. It's still a car. Probably has four wheels, and a steering wheel, some seats, and some kind of power plant which allows it to move its functional bits. But it doesn't get to run on petrol the next day because that's more convenient than plugging it in for a few hours.

A "little initiate Sister" is not yet a Sister of Battle. She's not yet taken her vows on Terra and is still "in training".

Everyone who becomes a member of the Adepta Sororitas is, basically, born into it. They select only those female candidates who exhibit the greatest zeal and most profound of faith from those girls raised from infancy within the Schola Progenium. These are girls who are indoctrinated into the Cult Imperial long before they are ever capable of having an opinion on anything.

Also, as has been posted a few times in the thread already, the Codices state, flat-out, "utterly incorruptible". Now, this might be propaganda, of course, but if you are willing to accept that as propaganda, then one must, logically, accept the same fact about the Grey Knights. And also accept that the Space Wolves are hypocrites in the extreme, as their Librarians would not be psykers but, instead, sorcerers.

Troike wrote:I don't think that "bud" is really an unpleasant word. I certainly didn't mean it unplesantly, just conversationally. I've said it to others too, IIRC.

Come on. Don't insult everyone's intelligence. I don't care if you insult me, because you're insignificant in my existence and have demonstrated no superiority to me which might be threatening to my standing in this discussion's hierarchy, so I'm not offended. But nobody here is dumb enough to believe you.

Though, just in case you haven't been out in real life before, calling somebody "bud" or "buddy" or "guy" or "friend" when they most obviously aren't your friend, bud, buddy, mate, guy, etc, is a known conversational term which is rude and condescending.

However, as previous posts laid out, a Chaos Marine is still a Space Marine.

Previous posts, just like yours was, were wrong. Repetition of incorrect ideas doesn't imply truth. You could get a whole thread of crazy people saying gravity is a myth, but you aren't going to suddenly be able to achieve orbit sitting on your couch.



Anyhow, I'm done. I only commented because of how rude and unnecessary that comment was, and all it got in return was more rudeness and unpleasantness, lol. At some point, you'd think I'd learn that threads about Sisters just have zero potential for intelligent, meaningful, productive discussion about the hobby in a manner that benefits the TS and all participants. One lapse of discipline. One second where I was coming here to update my project log and I thought "Maybe the Background Forum has something interesting today, and this five page thread isn't just a bunch of garbage and Dakka being Dakka."

 Psienesis wrote:
A "little initiate Sister" is not yet a Sister of Battle. She's not yet taken her vows on Terra and is still "in training".

Everyone who becomes a member of the Adepta Sororitas is, basically, born into it. They select only those female candidates who exhibit the greatest zeal and most profound of faith from those girls raised from infancy within the Schola Progenium. These are girls who are indoctrinated into the Cult Imperial long before they are ever capable of having an opinion on anything.

Also, as has been posted a few times in the thread already, the Codices state, flat-out, "utterly incorruptible". Now, this might be propaganda, of course, but if you are willing to accept that as propaganda, then one must, logically, accept the same fact about the Grey Knights. And also accept that the Space Wolves are hypocrites in the extreme, as their Librarians would not be psykers but, instead, sorcerers.

Actually I kind of do think all sets of 3 are likely propaganda.

Besides my point is how hard is it to corrupt a sister without her knowing. Like I said perhaps a chaos god makes her think her other sisters are truly the traitors. At the very least a chaos god or others could trick them into doing something terrible without their knowledge.

Somebody that's been around for a long time and is good at tricking others could most likely trick them into doing something for chaos. Even if they are close-minded in their beliefs they could always be fooled that what they are doing is actually for the cause they stand for when it really isn't. Either that or show them that what they hold most dear is really all a lie. Feeling betrayed sounds like something that could turn a sister and it is very chaos sounding to me and like warhammer in general.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Though, just in case you haven't been out in real life before, calling somebody "bud" or "buddy" or "guy" or "friend" when they most obviously aren't your friend, bud, buddy, mate, guy, etc, is a known conversational term which is rude and condescending.

I already said that I didn't mean it in a rude way, it's just something that I say sometimes. Though I get the impression that you're not going to believe me, so whatever.

And again, I find it odd that you're accusing others of those things when one of the first things you said in this topic was that certain other posters were "unpleasant people". How do you justify throwing around accusations of rudeness after when you've said that?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Previous posts, just like yours was, were wrong.

But it's already been outlined how a Chaos Marine remains a superhuman Space Marine. Therefore, female CSMs disprove your original statement of female Marines being an impossibility.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Also, as has been posted a few times in the thread already, the Codices state, flat-out, "utterly incorruptible". Now, this might be propaganda, of course, but if you are willing to accept that as propaganda, then one must, logically, accept the same fact about the Grey Knights. And also accept that the Space Wolves are hypocrites in the extreme, as their Librarians would not be psykers but, instead, sorcerers.

Okay, so you basically just did an excellent demolition job on your own point. Thank you?

That was actually directed towards flamingkillamajig, but does not actually support your inane idea that "Chaos Space Marines are not Space Marines" in the slightest. What it does, though, is represent the logical requirement of establishing continuity of thought across similar Codex sources fitting similar concepts. If you believe that Sisters can be corrupted, despite the Codex saying that Sisters are utterly incorruptible, one must then also take the position that the same holds true for Grey Knights and that, following the same lines, the Space Wolves practice sorcery, as their Rune Priests are said to practice "a form of ancient nature magic". All of which are things that are fairly well-established in the official publications as being untrue.

Your argument isn't an argument, it's simply contradictory statements, attempting to hide behind a smokescreen of legitimacy through absurdist positions and logical fallacy. You posit opinion as fact without evidence. Your statement "previous posts, just like your was, were wrong" is flat-out non-factual. We are not required to provide proof that Chaos Space Marines are Space Marines, because they are generally accepted to be, under a broad variety of titles, names and classifications. So far, you have presented zero evidence that this is not the case. You're arguing that up is down and left is right, without providing the merest suggestion of evidence to back your claim.

....and that's the last I'm going to say on the subject with regards to you. You're not worth the slight expenditure of my time or effort to write these posts.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:The problem is, I never arrive in these threads with such an attitude.

The problem is, you never seem to realise what you're posting.

Look at your very first contribution to this thread. It basically reads like "SoB threads are full of trolls". I just can't fathom how someone would believe that this won't provoke a kneejerk reaction like mine (Troike was much more polite, but with you I've long given up on that as you just keep coming back for more), especially given your history with such threads and how you've called SoB fans in the past.

And the same goes for the ridiculous tone that accompanies the "expert" references you occasionally spout as if that'd somehow make your opinion any more valid than anyone elses. Let me tell you, on the internet, claiming that you're a veteran soldier (with a professional marketing background) dating models generally evokes the opposite of what you seem to try to achieve by posting them, even if they were true (lol). Especially when you post them on a website like dakka that focuses on a nerdy tabletop wargame.

You really need to get off that persecution complex. When so many posters have a problem with you, maybe it's time to analyse your own behaviour rather than seeking the fault with others. You certainly seem to be emotionally invested not in the army, but in its players.

You could always have some writer of the new codex ruin the entire continuity of everything with a few simple keystrokes ;P.

flamingkillamajig wrote:You could always have some writer of the new codex ruin the entire continuity of everything with a few simple keystrokes ;P.

Fortunately, 80% of the codices usually consists of copypasta.

But no, of course that's a valid concern - especially when you have new authors "taking over", who may not share the same interpretation as the one who wrote the last books. It can lead to differences in tone and/or detail similar to how they exist between the novels.

I actually think I prefer the codexes in some ways as written propaganda and as what's known from the reports of another. I dunno I just think it's a little hard to believe no sister has even gone rogue. Not being turned to chaos but rogue. Then again I may be wrong in this.

I just think the chaos gods love the twisting and turning and fooling of what's considered incorruptible. It's a challenge to them. Considering tzeentch's extremely convoluted plots and schemes it's entirely possible he could turn some sisters without them ever thinking they were turned or at the very least make them his pawn without their knowing. At least in that way it could make sense. Utterly incorruptible but still able to be a dupe in some bigger scheme.

 Lynata wrote:
But no, of course that's a valid concern - especially when you have new authors "taking over", who may not share the same interpretation as the one who wrote the last books. It can lead to differences in tone and/or detail similar to how they exist between the novels.

I'd say that we're allright on this front, though. Ward, and apparently Cruddace, seem to "get" the Sisters. Though, of course, it is possible that a big retcon could suddenly emerge next codex, it seems that we have some few prominent writers who have a good understanding of the Sisters.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I actually think I prefer the codexes in some ways as written propaganda and as what's known from the reports of another. I dunno I just think it's a little hard to believe no sister has even gone rogue. Not being turned to chaos but rogue. Then again I may be wrong in this.

I just think the chaos gods love the twisting and turning and fooling of what's considered incorruptible. It's a challenge to them. Considering tzeentch's extremely convoluted plots and schemes it's entirely possible he could turn some sisters without them ever thinking they were turned or at the very least make them his pawn without their knowing. At least in that way it could make sense. Utterly incorruptible but still able to be a dupe in some bigger scheme.

Well, here's the thing about the Sisters that you have to keep in mind when you mean for them to "go rogue": How would they do it?

They don't get paid. Individually, they own nothing. They possess nothing of value that would entice someone to go against the Ecclesiarchy and help them escape. They don't "hang out" with non-members of the Sororitas in most cases (members of Ordo Famulous being the exception). They aren't exposed to the "pop culture" of the Imperium and, when they are, they look down their noses at it, as they are raised, from birth, being taught that their way is the only proper way to live. How would they be able to get away from their convents and cathedrals and go anywhere? They stand out as members of the Sororitas, what Rogue Trader Captain, who is not himself deeply religious and devoting his efforts to the Ecclesiarchy, is going to take one with him/her somewhere else in the galaxy? That's inviting the risk of having you and your entire crew purged by bolter, melta and flamer. Even so, how would she repay the Rogue Trader? These are people of such wealth that just about anything else you could offer them is tawdry by comparison. Let's face it... the Sororitas don't know their way around a bedroom, the offer of sexual favors is not going to go over well, if such a thought even crosses their minds for an instant... and why would it? They've spent their entire lives in denial, their sex drives are nil.

Additionally. they live strictly regimented, strictly disciplined lives. Many of them practice self-flagellation as an act of devotion... those that don't are probably flagellated by another Sister anyway, as an act of religious service. They are the sort of group that eats the same bland, boring meal every meal of every day for their entire lives, because tasty food is a luxury and therefore a sin. The merest *thought* that they might rebel sends them scurrying to the Mistress of Repentia, their Canoness, or whatever other ranking Sister is available. To be honest, despite they wealth of art suggesting otherwise, I imagine that the Sisters are some pretty scarred-up people under that power armor. From the few glimpses we're given in a few sources, punishments in the Schola Progenium are *harsh*, and I imagine it does not get any easier in the Sororitas.

This was too good to pass up.

Lynata wrote:You really need to get off that persecution complex. When so many posters have a problem with you, maybe it's time to analyse your own behaviour rather than seeking the fault with others. You certainly seem to be emotionally invested not in the army, but in its players.

See, this is where you are only looking at this from your small microcosm, and not the bigger picture. I run into problems with you and other Sisters players because we have differences in opinions over the reason why they haven't sold well and you react unreasonably. But everywhere else, I'm one of the more popular posters. On Bolter & Chainsword, for example, I have a nearly 1:3 "Like" to post ratio. And when you realize their Like function has only been in effect for less than a year, a large part of which I was inactive in the hobby, you understand how ludicrous that percentage is. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/user/64093-veteran-sergeant/ I have two exalted threads on this forum, and I've only started three total with the 3rd being a simple question. I've been interviewed for hobby site articles. People name their conversions after my work. I've contributed formal tutorials on how to replicate my models. Everyone but you likes me. I know a lot about the hobby, I'm helpful, and I have a ton of useful real-world knowledge that enhances everyone's experience. Is it a persecution complex for me to recognize the reality that one of the only places I ever have problems are in threads on Dakka (and Warseer) with ornery Sisters players who get rooted out of places with more stringent moderation? Nah. I am, however, flattered that you keep that obsessive record of my posts. I couldn't be bothered to search through my own history to find the other threads where people had given me credit for their conversions, lol.

So the question is, am I the problem? Doubt it. Do I occasionally have fun antagonizing you guys when you lose your composure and behave poorly? I am indeed guilty of that. But it's for everyone else's benefit and I've accepted the punishments, lol. I liken myself to Jesus in that regard.


As far as the nerd hobby thing goes, yeah, it is. I don't display my stuff. It sits in trays under the bed when I'm not working on them or in boxes in the garage. I have a small group of old, old friends who I game with, and I all but abandoned 40K when I was in the Marines because I already knew how to read, which was enough of a social stigma as it was. So yeah, you outed me. I'm a closet nerd. But that's the great thing about life. If you try hard enough, you can enjoy rolling dice, and other things. Really, you should be happy there are people like me who don't just automatically look down on people who play RPGs and tabletop games as nerds and losers.