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 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
so no one agrees with me about some of the phoenix lords

most of the Phoenix Lords are pretty good beat sticks, and pretty survivable at that. Expensive, yes, but not overly so when compared to other named HQ for other armies. Baharroth is probably the weakest one of the bunch, and only just because he has an AP3 close combat weapon but his abilities and other wargear help alleviate this.

I'm referring to the lost, has no idea what he is doing maugan

For gk pretty much every unit can be a competitive choice depending how you build the army. The exception probably being the brother hood champion, good idea but the rules didtn really come off. He is the cheapest hq though if you want to play a "pure" gk army so hes still relatively useful.

While reading through this thread I would also like to point out another point. Certain troop choices have their place on a list. Many a time, do I see folks try to compare one unit to another unit strictly by the percentage chance of an expected casualty rate.

I use will Terminators as an example. They are an expensive unit to take points wise. But I like to take them anyways. Why? I take them to draw fire from other less durable units. Be it scoring units, or other more Gunhappy units.

So when choosing any unit for an army list, knowing what you want it to accomplish in the particular game that you are about to play is most important. If you do not know how to properly employ a specific unit. The odds are you will end up making a mistake in either that units initial deployment. Or when you move to attack with that unit, you might not choose the optimal target for said unit to attack.

Once again, "Results may vary"!

Mutilators. But worst War gear is the Dimensional key or what ever it is called.

 thepowerfulwill wrote:
Mutilators. But worst War gear is the Dimensional key or what ever it is called.

Oh man... That Dimensional Key lol

It's soooooooooooo bad......

If it were simply unlocked by killing an enemy model in general.... but in the fight sub-phase.... ugh....


I did the mistake of buying a box of Mutilators once.... Now they are Obliterators that got run over by a Land Raider

My point was, that grav weapons have a weakness that I abhor: it sucks against blob armies.

You can't always know who you're against - especially in lively gaming stores in capitols, like I tend to be now... and changing lists on the fly before match is for jerks.

@Soomemafia, I've constantly fought against armies that have such numbers. Those matches have left deep scars. Now that STR10 and AP2 is the new black and everyone's pumping 'em to their lists, you can imagine my face.

Well I hate to say it, but if you're looking for a jack of all trades unit, thst also performs against MEQ and blob lists with a high degree of efficiency I think you're gak outta luck with pretty much every SM unit sans Sternguard.

I suppose the social customs for my LGS is a bit different than yours. Setting up a pick up game usually goes as follows:

"Hey, what's up, man? I'm ****"

Around here you aren't expected to have one single TAC list. That's what tournaments are for. Folks are fine building a list to fight a specific army. Now if one person waits to see what the other brings, then changes his whole list to crush em, THAT is considered a dick move.

"Nice to meet you ****, I'm ***". You want to play a 40k game? "

"Hell yea, I've got my Marines with me"

" That's cool, I'm running IG, 1500 sound good?"

"Yea man, let me know when you have your list together. Ill show you mine, you show me yours and then we'll start setting up terrain"

"Lol sounds good ****"

For IG, the death strike is my least favorite. For GK, I think castellan crowe is the worst along with the brotherhood champ.

 stormcrow59 wrote:
For IG, the death strike is my least favorite. For GK, I think castellan crowe is the worst along with the brotherhood champ.

I'm actually very curious about the Death Strike. Why is it bad?

 MWHistorian wrote:

 stormcrow59 wrote:
For IG, the death strike is my least favorite. For GK, I think castellan crowe is the worst along with the brotherhood champ.

I'm actually very curious about the Death Strike. Why is it bad?

Because you have to devote a chunk of your army to protecting it in the odd event that it will fire. Wen it ever does and after its wasted a load of your units potential all game the result is usually lackluster and by far worse than the manticore that should have been where it is sitting firing every turn.

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Thanks for info on Hydra FAQ. I tried one in a 750 point game, then my friend's scythe mishap-ped to death. (Oh, surprise, surprise.). However, in a series of theoretical rolls, the Hydra would've shot the Scythe down unaided. I apologize to the Hydra for doubting it so.

 Inky wrote:
Flayed ones: Never really were outstanding, now even less so
Triarch Praetorians: They're just....expensive and do bugger all.
Dark Angels: Most new units. Specifically the Nephilim and the plasma based land speeder. Just disappointing.

The only really disappointing DA stuff were the Dark Talon and the Special Characters. The rest of the book is decent just a bit boring....except for the Black Knights, they are fantastic. Though I would agree that a lot of the DA stuff is overcosted.

As for the rest, well there are far too many "worthless" units out there. It's all really in who's playing them I think

 Barun Von Krump wrote:
... and the poor Flash Gitz don't get any love since the 5th edition.

You know there was a Codex Update / FAQ released April 2013? ... Among other things, Flash Gitz now ignore cover

GoingtoHell wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Wraithguard and wraithblades are super expensive points wise for 5 models. Especially with d-sythes thats 200+ points for 5 models that aren't especially strong. I still use them though.

Expensive, but far away from "the worst unit in codex".

Their simply costed properly and that makes them uncompetitive. But there is no way you could describe them as bad.

I agree they aren't bad, just costly. I've been looking through the codex and don't see to many BAD units.
Have heard the jet is just mediocre and same with harlequins but not sure


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I just wish you could buy the d-sythes separately so you could have a mixed unit.
Someone was comparing wraithgguard with terminators and saying wraithgguard have access to wave serpents... Agreed wave serpents are solid but I'm talking about wg alone, foot slogging them would be difficult, for the 50 points worth of d-sythes you could get 3 jet bikes a what what
I caused a bit of a commotion there my bad