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Even in an entire codex full of garbage, Possessed are the worst units in the Chaos Space Marine book.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 Haight wrote:
Dark Angels - Dark Talon. Followed quickly by the Nephilim. Both fliers are completely garbage and overpriced for what they'll achieve. The sad thing is with a minor tweak or two, the Nephilim would be salvageable. The Dark Talon is a lost cause. Shame - it's a neat looking model.

Don't forget the dreaded Land Speeder Vengeance ..... . Like the Nephilim, it is probably a couple tweaks away from being salvageable. Even then though, lots of points for 2HPs, low armour, and a big gun. Just to help the survivability issues it would have to be partnered with the Darkshroud (which has better things it can be escorting).

Totally true. I completely forgot about the LSV. Again, a few tweaks away from being something salvageable (one of those tweaks being "points reduction"). Still doesn't hold a candle the the Dark Talon, which is just a headscratchingly LolWut model.

The dark talon is awesome in deathstars, though.

 Haight wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 Haight wrote:
Dark Angels - Dark Talon. Followed quickly by the Nephilim. Both fliers are completely garbage and overpriced for what they'll achieve. The sad thing is with a minor tweak or two, the Nephilim would be salvageable. The Dark Talon is a lost cause. Shame - it's a neat looking model.

Don't forget the dreaded Land Speeder Vengeance ..... . Like the Nephilim, it is probably a couple tweaks away from being salvageable. Even then though, lots of points for 2HPs, low armour, and a big gun. Just to help the survivability issues it would have to be partnered with the Darkshroud (which has better things it can be escorting).

Totally true. I completely forgot about the LSV. Again, a few tweaks away from being something salvageable (one of those tweaks being "points reduction"). Still doesn't hold a candle the the Dark Talon, which is just a headscratchingly LolWut model.

Yes, with its short-ranged reality cracking cannon that cannot pierce an ork T-shirt save. And the stasis bomb that is meant to be dropped on a unit to make it an easy prey for a dedicated assault, but could very well have a bad scatter and land on your assault troops.

Hover strike is situational, but can come in handy at a key moment. The hurricane bolters are good if you combo it with hover strike and the banner of devastation. And I do like the blind special rule, it also comes in handy in certain situations (just not tau). But it really isn't worth 160pts (I wish there was a way to combo the stasis bomb and the rift cannon; that would be sweet).

Codex: IG: Rough riders. Rough riders can make a good counter assault unit, yes. But then again, so can more guns. Then there is the whole fragility issue.

Codex: Space Marines: I'm going to go on a limb here but I'd have to say melee centurions. Too slow, fragile and too few attacks for a meaningful assault unit.

Blood Angels: Captains.

Can't take Artificer Armour, can't make bikes troops, costs too damn much,.

Lucarikx

IG: Every elite option.

 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
Even in an entire codex full of garbage, Possessed are the worst units in the Chaos Space Marine book.

I'd like to nominate the Helbrute to join the CSM garbage heap so far discussed. An inconsistent slow AV12 walker with Crazed.

That makes the list of poor units: Possessed, Mutilators, Warp Talons, Defilers, Helbrutes, Berserkers, Thousand Sons, Dark Apostle, Lucius, Ahriman

There's a reason why people call our book Codex: Heldrakes

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
IG: Every elite option.

Guardsman Marbo would like to have a word with you...65 points for a guaranteed S8 AP2 Large Blast strike against
something you want eliminated/crippled is not bad.

Blood Angles: Vanguard Veterans.

Eldar: I'd say that either Banshees or Swooping Hawks.
Hemlock Wraithfighter could also be one of the worst.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
IG: Every elite option.

See my post on the last page for why this is not the case for Ogryn and Stormtroopers.

As for the others:

Ratlings- while taking snipers is not really the best option, if you are taking them then Ratlings are the best option. They don't waste SW slots on command/vet squads, and provide better concentration than SWS.

Marbo- nuff' said.

PBS: Can be nice if a little unreliable. Work nicely in a Chimera.

The IG elite section is far from lacking. Every slot bar the PBS brings something that the army otherwise lacks. Ogryn bring CC power and force concentration, Marbo and ST bring the ability to fight where you want, countering the mobility problems, and Ratlings get you a cheap yet efficient harassment unit.

Take your pick from mine. I play chaos marines so bar 2 or 3 it's fairly craptastic.

My picks:

CSM: The Helbrute - I can make Mutilators and Warp Talons work with some outside help. I cannot, for the life of me, make such a model perform - more expensive than an oblit, goes down really fast and is very unreliable.

Daemons: hardest pick, most units have their uses. My pick goes to furies. Ld2 will ALWAYS mess your gak up.

IG: my pick here goes to the codex sentinel - easiest first blood ever, apart from the old genestealer limo

Tyranids: no, not Pyrovores, although they'd be a close second. How about a unit, which actually commits sudoku when outside synapse, is worthless as a tarpit and worthless as a CC unit, costs as much as a tricked out marine and does jack squat on the field apart from handing over first blood on a silver platter? Welcome the Rippers!

Tau: I think everything that has been said about Vespids is kinda true. They have a strong contender in the dumpy sniper drone squads imho.

BA: so many choices. So, so, many choices.

The absolute worst value in the whole book...............

tie: Vanguards or Lemartes.

GoingtoHell wrote:
Burning chariot-you will never fire it
Nurglings-why would you take them? They do [Mod Edit - Please don't try to get around the expletive filter - thanks. - Alpharius] all
Flamers-unless you take loads your making enemy units more durable and next to never killing them
Furies-have [Mod Edit - Please don't try to get around the expletive filter - thanks. - Alpharius] combat ability and when they lose a combat they die to instability.

Lol

Well I don't have the new space marine book yet but from what I have read Centurions are dumb

Tau everything has a purpose if you aren't playing super competative. I would say Vespids because they are really expensive point wise but it gives tau the much lacking initiative 6 which is really nice and ap3. Based on stat lines the fliers seem pretty fragile....but I would still use it.

Eldar...haven't played but am collecting. I know people say swooping hawks but they would be useful and can do some damage. Wraithguard and wraithblades are super expensive points wise for 5 models. Especially with d-sythes thats 200+ points for 5 models that aren't especially strong. I still use them though.

I have five armies.

CSM - Helbrute. The other units can work with back up, but the helbrute is just a stand a lone unit that die far too quickly for the damage output. Really fluffy unit, horrible on the tabletop.

Tau - Still giving the nod to vespid. They are better than they were, but way to much of a one trick pony.

SW - The dreadnaught. Same problems as the hellbrute. Just too easy to kill in this edition and costs just too many points to try and get it survivable but making it venerable.

DE - Mandrakes - Universally bad compared to everything else in the codex.

Orks - Stikkbomba boys - Yes they don't actually exist in the current codex, but their stench from the 3rd ed book is so bad that it still lingers on to this day. But in case they don't count, Flashgits.

Necrons - Triarch Praetorians

Nids - Rippers

DA - Dark Talon

 Jayden63 wrote:

SW - The dreadnaught. Same problems as the hellbrute. Just too easy to kill in this edition and costs just too many points to try and get it survivable but making it venerable.

More the fact that it doesn't have synergy with the only decent space wolf playstyle. Shooting. It has poor ranged ability and will usually do very little rather than die when targeted by a dedicated opponent. They could be useful if the army they are in suited their playstyle (tying up valuable units of MEQ's).

Vespids, they're still .

Those people saying flayed ones have obviously never seen a triarch praetorian. They easily take the cake as worst unit in the necron codex. Flayed ones might not be that good of a choice compared to the rest of the book but they have nothing on the praetorians.

For sisters, its tough. Repentia are bad but they can be somewhat made to work and are fun. Celestians are more expensive than a chaos space marine, lose 1 str, 1 toughness, 1 initiative and aren't scoring. I have seen people take Repentia in 6th edition. I have yet to see anyone take Celestians. Both units are pretty bad but I think ill actually tip my hat to the Celestians as being worse due to repentia having at least some situational uses.

 MaCa wrote:

Tau: I think everything that has been said about Vespids is kinda true. They have a strong contender in the dumpy sniper drone squads imho.

I will agree on the Vespid part but Sniper Drones with an Ethereal backing them up make for some nasty snipers. 48" BS5 Rapid Fire Snipers in general are pretty nasty! 9 shots at range 18-27 shots at 24" depending on whether buffed is pretty nasty.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Wraithguard and wraithblades are super expensive points wise for 5 models. Especially with d-sythes thats 200+ points for 5 models that aren't especially strong. I still use them though.

Expensive, but far away from "the worst unit in codex".

Codex Dark Angels: nephilim jetfighter/dark talon

An air superiority fighter that struggles to do any damage to anyother flyer, and a ground attack craft that debuffs the enemy for way more points than it takes to actually just kill them.

 soomemafia wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Wraithguard and wraithblades are super expensive points wise for 5 models. Especially with d-sythes thats 200+ points for 5 models that aren't especially strong. I still use them though.

Expensive, but far away from "the worst unit in codex".

Their simply costed properly and that makes them uncompetitive. But there is no way you could describe them as bad.

I don't have the codex for Eldar for 6th edition, but I'll bet Shining Spears are still pretty underwhelming. They have been differing degrees of over-costed since 3rd edition. (They used to be 50 pts each in 3rd!!) The last time they had any really meaningful weapons was in 2nd edition.

It's too bad, because I have a three man squad made from Reavers with Dark Elf Cold One spears, and they look cooler than anything GW could probably come up with, as everything is based upon the ancient plastic jetbike models.

 Paradigm wrote:


Sergeant Bastonne: 50 points to give a vet squad 1 bonus order and a power weapon, when I could get another CCS and get two orders and a bunch more wounds. If he could be added to Stormtroopers, who are often outside orders range, then he might be useful if pricy, but as it stands he's largely useless and hugely overcosted.

He still comes with a carapace, and Ld10, not to mention his 'always can regroup' ability is useful-until he gets killed that is.
Bastonne would be more for foot logging veterans than the outflanking-Chimera riding vets in my mind

But yeah him vs Harker, Harker wins every time.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:


Sergeant Bastonne: 50 points to give a vet squad 1 bonus order and a power weapon, when I could get another CCS and get two orders and a bunch more wounds. If he could be added to Stormtroopers, who are often outside orders range, then he might be useful if pricy, but as it stands he's largely useless and hugely overcosted.

He still comes with a carapace, and Ld10, not to mention his 'always can regroup' ability is useful-until he gets killed that is.
Bastonne would be more for foot logging veterans than the outflanking-Chimera riding vets in my mind

But yeah him vs Harker, Harker wins every time.

Ld 10 is nice, but not amazing, and the carapace is near useless when it's only on one model. No one tanks on a 4+. The regroup thing is neat, but they're Ld 10 anyway( and therefore less likely to break), so the rule actually makes itself worse in that respect. Even for foot vets (What I use most of the time) he's never been worth the cost.

CSM:

HQ: Half Pants
Elite: Mostly Pants.
Troops: Mostly Pants.
Fast Attack: Extremely overpowered and full of good choices.
Heavy Support: Half Pants.


Just about sums up my codex.....

Dark Angels

The new flyers and land speeder variants (except the Dark Shroud).

The Deathwing Knights and Ravenwing Knights are awesome though.