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Don't care.

Martel732 wrote:
Don't care.

Martel732 wrote:
Don't care.

I don't care that you don't care.

I wouldnt be against it since im play imperial fists. da most vanilla.

Enough spam in here to feed Hawaii for a year.
On topic, I think if done correctly, GW would most likely crank up the price to $75 or so. Even so, I think it would be the better deal for most players. I dont think I am alone in that I like to have the rules for armies I dont play just so I'm less likely to be taken by surprise.
Could also help players in terms of the use of allies and multiple detatchments.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Less pages wasted on photographs would be nice. The unit entries used to be full pages of fluff and rules with maybe a little piece of artwork. Now it's just... half a page of stock photograph, ugh.

So much this.

I want a codex, not a catalogue.

 vipoid wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Less pages wasted on photographs would be nice. The unit entries used to be full pages of fluff and rules with maybe a little piece of artwork. Now it's just... half a page of stock photograph, ugh.

So much this.

I want a codex, not a catalogue.

Yeah. The first tau codex had all these little stories in it, no we don't have anything.

I think all the loyalist PA dexes should be roled into one except GK, BA, and SW.

I am happy BT are in the tomb and it is time to absorb DA.

At this point I would not even mind if they just stopped supporting the DA codex and said "use either the 6th Ed. DA or the C:SM dex at your leisure"

Nope. I like having all my Wolf fluff, and don't want it condensed into a couple little footnotes, and I don't want to have to pay half again as much for a bigger book (since they'd still have to include all the chapter specific models), when I have absolutely no interest in playing any of the other marine armies.

AnFéasógMór wrote:
Nope. I like having all my Wolf fluff, and don't want it condensed into a couple little footnotes, ...

Unfortunately, that's what the new Codices appear to be devolving into. The Necron Codex has 80% of the content stripped out and replaced with footnotes for each unit. The Harlequins Codex has very little as well. I remember when I could spend a whole day reading and studying all the lore within a Codex. Now I'm done with it in a hour.

Against.

Where was the option for pulling the Black Templar out and giving them their own codex again?

A separate codex is not needed, just sufficient material applied to make that special snowflake marine force.
The other marine codex's just seem to add a ton of filler to justify the price and get an OK sized book.
They were able to do it for Chaos Space Marines: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Chaos_Space_Marines_(3rd_Edition,_1st_Codex)

I LIKE space marines and play Black Templar, the prior codex they did have was a fine example of when common wargear does not match their common counterparts in points or capabilities.

To emphasize the core things that make a marine and then the various window dressings after that, I feel is important.

I am still grumpy that I could only put a power fist on a normal guy so only got one attack with a power fist... the new marine codex in many ways was an upgrade for BT.

I agree that in terms of gameplay, getting rolled in was a boost.

But it's always nice to imagine what could have been if the codex was updated.

For, definitely. The shear amount of C:SM offshoots at this point is just nuts. Roll everything into the same book, and then cut most of the pictures, artwork, and lore from the codices to open up more space for extensive rules (so the Black Templar problem isn't repeated). The Black Library and Imperial Armor covers the lore, leave it to them. The Codices should be rulebooks, nothing more.

Would you be fine with a merge of all codexes? Super ballance.

 Wyzilla wrote:
For, definitely. The shear amount of C:SM offshoots at this point is just nuts. Roll everything into the same book, and then cut most of the pictures, artwork, and lore from the codices to open up more space for extensive rules (so the Black Templar problem isn't repeated). The Black Library and Imperial Armor covers the lore, leave it to them. The Codices should be rulebooks, nothing more.

Noooo, I like collecting the codices for the lore because they tend to be concise and more reliable. If you get rid of the lore then you'll just end up with the bloated lore supplements that get sidetracked describing all the individual warbands. Basically the End Times books for WH Fantasy. It's impossible to find anything useful in there because they basically flood you with useless fluff.

 koooaei wrote:
Would you be fine with a merge of all codexes? Super ballance.

Sold

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
For, definitely. The shear amount of C:SM offshoots at this point is just nuts. Roll everything into the same book, and then cut most of the pictures, artwork, and lore from the codices to open up more space for extensive rules (so the Black Templar problem isn't repeated). The Black Library and Imperial Armor covers the lore, leave it to them. The Codices should be rulebooks, nothing more.

Noooo, I like collecting the codices for the lore because they tend to be concise and more reliable. If you get rid of the lore then you'll just end up with the bloated lore supplements that get sidetracked describing all the individual warbands. Basically the End Times books for WH Fantasy. It's impossible to find anything useful in there because they basically flood you with useless fluff.

And the difference between lore and fluff is?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
And the difference between lore and fluff is?

None, I'm using them interchangeably. What I mean is there's such a vast amount of it in the supplements but it's all of varying quality and usually of a rather narrow focus. It's better to have the concise codex fluff as a base, then to branch out from there, especially for people just starting out with the hobby.

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
For, definitely. The shear amount of C:SM offshoots at this point is just nuts. Roll everything into the same book, and then cut most of the pictures, artwork, and lore from the codices to open up more space for extensive rules (so the Black Templar problem isn't repeated). The Black Library and Imperial Armor covers the lore, leave it to them. The Codices should be rulebooks, nothing more.

Noooo, I like collecting the codices for the lore because they tend to be concise and more reliable. If you get rid of the lore then you'll just end up with the bloated lore supplements that get sidetracked describing all the individual warbands. Basically the End Times books for WH Fantasy. It's impossible to find anything useful in there because they basically flood you with useless fluff.

Have you seen the most recent Codex - the fluff is steadily declining in size and quantity - we will soon just have stats books with pics of the models......

The best thing about the recent Shield of Baal and End Times books was the separation of fluff and rules - so I could read the great stories and look at the pics but the rules are in a smaller easier to use book.

I think the current Codex books are a massive retrograde step in terms of quality and the campaign books the opposite.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Have you seen the most recent Codex - the fluff is steadily declining in size and quantity - we will soon just have stats books with pics of the models......

The best thing about the recent Shield of Baal and End Times books was the separation of fluff and rules - so I could read the great stories and look at the pics but the rules are in a smaller easier to use book.

I think the current Codex books are a massive retrograde step in terms of quality and the campaign books the opposite.

You have a point there. I don't own any of the 7th codices but I did flip through the 7th ed Dark Eldar codex and was surprised by how much more I liked the 5th ed codex. It was also a lot more expensive so I ended up not getting it.

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Have you seen the most recent Codex - the fluff is steadily declining in size and quantity - we will soon just have stats books with pics of the models......

The best thing about the recent Shield of Baal and End Times books was the separation of fluff and rules - so I could read the great stories and look at the pics but the rules are in a smaller easier to use book.

I think the current Codex books are a massive retrograde step in terms of quality and the campaign books the opposite.

You have a point there. I don't own any of the 7th codices but I did flip through the 7th ed Dark Eldar codex and was surprised by how much more I liked the 5th ed codex. It was also a lot more expensive so I ended up not getting it.

I used to but pretty much all the codex's - but the prices and content in 6th and 7th has pretty much stopped me............the Dark Elder were one of my fav armies and then the 7th Ed Codex hit and I couldn't be bothered once I had looked through it.

I would be for it if it was done like in 3rd, using the main codex and having supplements for each chapter. That way the chapters can retain their unique units and feel, but could be limited on certain units they can get. I don't want to lose my fearless everything and pretty much never having to worry about losing a morale test ever.

Somewhat off topic, I don't get people that are saying the 6th ed DA codex made then caricatures. As someone ho has been playing DA for 12~ or so years, the 6th codex is, in my opinion, such an awesome codex with the flavour of it, the rules are super awesome fluffy (not super competitive, oh well) and the art work is awesome.

No way, GW would charge twice the price (At least £30 for base codex then £30 for the supplement)!

 Mr Morden wrote:
I used to but pretty much all the codex's - but the prices and content in 6th and 7th has pretty much stopped me............the Dark Elder were one of my fav armies and then the 7th Ed Codex hit and I couldn't be bothered once I had looked through it.

Same here, the 5th ed DE codex is hands down my favorite codex so I had my hopes up for the 7th ed one.

 Very Superstitious wrote:
Somewhat off topic, I don't get people that are saying the 6th ed DA codex made then caricatures. As someone ho has been playing DA for 12~ or so years, the 6th codex is, in my opinion, such an awesome codex with the flavour of it, the rules are super awesome fluffy (not super competitive, oh well) and the art work is awesome.

Yea, the 6th ed DA codex is really great, my favorite one after the 5th ed DE codex. I think the 7th ed is where the quality has really declined. Some of the 6th ed codices were a step up but I didn't read enough of them to say anything conclusively.

Also, maybe it's just me but it seems like the art is becoming a lot more cartoony and somehow "clean." It's lost a lot of the grittiness from 5th ed. I don't mind the style but I don't think it fits 40k as well.

^ Agreed. I like the picture/art/style and structure of the DA codex. I just think that the rules can be done with a bit more umph.

I would much prefer the fluff to be sold separately to the rules and F.O.C.

Sell resource books with the new minature releases to inspire the new minature sales.Art background conversion and painting guides etc.

And just release the actual rules and F.O.C for each faction as a FREE P.D.F. This can be updated as and when required.
Done like this the extra rules for specific Chapters, Craftworlds, Hive Fleets, Klans, Regiments etc.Could be covered in a few additional pages.

The codices can be easily separated from the fluff. A seperate fluff book could give the fluff fans a lot MORE fluff in a separate book than they could ever get by putting it in the codex.
This way, fluff nuts could get exactly what they want and then some and the non-fluff nuts would not have to pay for fluff they do not care about.

What is all of this nonsense about people actually liking the DA book from 6th? You guys forget about winning games against yours buds? has it been that long?

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.