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Keep in mind that we're stilling missing some older known daemon units... The tentacled thing could be a Firewyrm of Tzeentch (old school Spawn that could breath fire!), plus we're still missing the likes of Changebringers. (Flamers riding discs).
It's be cool if some of the artwork within the book sprinkles some of these units throughout, as a kind of easter egg for Daemon players.
Perhaps if/when we ever get a proper release again, we'll see a couple of these classic units return!?


I really, really hope and pray that the Infernal Tetrad formation doesn't outright force us to take a Prince from each God, as that would make it useless for mono-God lists... However, knowing GW, they probably think that something as themed as a mono or even dual God list is pure fiction.

 
   
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I would be surprised if it doesn't force you to take one for each god. The apocalypse formation "infernal tetragon" or something is named very similar to the Infernal Tetrad and it requires one lesser daemon unit and one greater daemon from each god.

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Yes it requires each of the greater daemon and one core unit of each God. They have to be always positioned in a tetragon formation in table but everything inside the box gets reroll failed inv saves and shrouded.

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The image shows one of each type of Prince, but that doesn't necessarily mean the rules will reflect it.

Granted, they probably will, but it's not a given as of yet. Only 1 week until the dump (sooner for leaks, probably).
   
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When it will release? I thought that it was this Saturday.

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 avedominusnox wrote:
When it will release? I thought that it was this Saturday.


Preorder is this Saturday, so it won't be released until next week. Officially the street date is the 16th, I think, but it really depends on when your store gives it to you. Atia said she was going to dump all info on the 11th, and I fully expect to have some written leaks or shaky pics before that.
   
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Boo. One more week. Isn't it weird that we know very little about the new daemons...?
God I hate and love when you have to wait for something like that. Also my anticipation for CSM reminds of DE players and Necron players waiting for the new codices. The old ones.

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 avedominusnox wrote:
Boo. One more week. Isn't it weird that we know very little about the new daemons...?
God I hate and love when you have to wait for something like that. Also my anticipation for CSM reminds of DE players and Necron players waiting for the new codices. The old ones.


Meh. It's just a supplement added to the main codex in a collector's edition. Unless you spend $156 on one of those 500 copies, you'll just have to buy a card pack, and, if you want, the wulfen campaign book for its daemon rules...
   
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Hmm, the daemonkin book dont allow bloodthirsters to take rewards, but the white dwarf BT rules did.
I sure hope this book give them rewards.

And perhaps a formation that allow flying monsters to assault before turn 4 :(
   
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The book is for the chaos daemons faction. If they take rewards away for the bloodthirsters from the chaos daemons codex, they would take it away from all daemons.

I don't think that's going to happen.

People keep saying "4 dp formation must be useless, models are too expensive pointswise" but it's still better than nothing. I have 7 daemon prince models, working on a conversion for my 8th, and I'm definitely going to use the formation, and hope it's awesome. Without changing the ALE, a formation is the best gw could do to make the units use able, and it's definitely capable of doing so. I don't understand how having a chance for your models to become more effective can disappoint you. Wait until the rules leak and it's only a 4++ and -1 to fear tests or something, then get mad.

This isn't the release daemons deserve, but it still might be the one we need right now.

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daveNYC wrote:
Personally I think the expression on the book cover is that of the Imperial Fist contemplating the importance of fiber in one's diet.


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AncientSkarbrand wrote:
The book is for the chaos daemons faction. If they take rewards away for the bloodthirsters from the chaos daemons codex, they would take it away from all daemons.

I don't think that's going to happen.

People keep saying "4 dp formation must be useless, models are too expensive pointswise" but it's still better than nothing. I have 7 daemon prince models, working on a conversion for my 8th, and I'm definitely going to use the formation, and hope it's awesome. Without changing the ALE, a formation is the best gw could do to make the units use able, and it's definitely capable of doing so. I don't understand how having a chance for your models to become more effective can disappoint you. Wait until the rules leak and it's only a 4++ and -1 to fear tests or something, then get mad.

This isn't the release daemons deserve, but it still might be the one we need right now.


4++ and -1 to fear tests, but it doesn't work on ATSKNF. Gotta be realistic here.
   
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daveNYC wrote:
AncientSkarbrand wrote:
The book is for the chaos daemons faction. If they take rewards away for the bloodthirsters from the chaos daemons codex, they would take it away from all daemons.

I don't think that's going to happen.

People keep saying "4 dp formation must be useless, models are too expensive pointswise" but it's still better than nothing. I have 7 daemon prince models, working on a conversion for my 8th, and I'm definitely going to use the formation, and hope it's awesome. Without changing the ALE, a formation is the best gw could do to make the units use able, and it's definitely capable of doing so. I don't understand how having a chance for your models to become more effective can disappoint you. Wait until the rules leak and it's only a 4++ and -1 to fear tests or something, then get mad.

This isn't the release daemons deserve, but it still might be the one we need right now.


4++ and -1 to fear tests, but it doesn't work on ATSKNF. Gotta be realistic here.

What doesn't work on ATSKNF? The -1 or the 4++?

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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
daveNYC wrote:
AncientSkarbrand wrote:
The book is for the chaos daemons faction. If they take rewards away for the bloodthirsters from the chaos daemons codex, they would take it away from all daemons.

I don't think that's going to happen.

People keep saying "4 dp formation must be useless, models are too expensive pointswise" but it's still better than nothing. I have 7 daemon prince models, working on a conversion for my 8th, and I'm definitely going to use the formation, and hope it's awesome. Without changing the ALE, a formation is the best gw could do to make the units use able, and it's definitely capable of doing so. I don't understand how having a chance for your models to become more effective can disappoint you. Wait until the rules leak and it's only a 4++ and -1 to fear tests or something, then get mad.

This isn't the release daemons deserve, but it still might be the one we need right now.


4++ and -1 to fear tests, but it doesn't work on ATSKNF. Gotta be realistic here.

What doesn't work on ATSKNF? The -1 or the 4++?


Nothing works against ATSKNF - Daemons don't get saves and are IDd by all attacks or shots from Space Marines
   
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Requizen wrote:
 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
daveNYC wrote:
AncientSkarbrand wrote:
The book is for the chaos daemons faction. If they take rewards away for the bloodthirsters from the chaos daemons codex, they would take it away from all daemons.

I don't think that's going to happen.

People keep saying "4 dp formation must be useless, models are too expensive pointswise" but it's still better than nothing. I have 7 daemon prince models, working on a conversion for my 8th, and I'm definitely going to use the formation, and hope it's awesome. Without changing the ALE, a formation is the best gw could do to make the units use able, and it's definitely capable of doing so. I don't understand how having a chance for your models to become more effective can disappoint you. Wait until the rules leak and it's only a 4++ and -1 to fear tests or something, then get mad.

This isn't the release daemons deserve, but it still might be the one we need right now.


4++ and -1 to fear tests, but it doesn't work on ATSKNF. Gotta be realistic here.

What doesn't work on ATSKNF? The -1 or the 4++?


Nothing works against ATSKNF - Daemons don't get saves and are IDd by all attacks or shots from Space Marines

That sounds about right...

Plus an added rule that when playing against Grey Knights, the Daemons automatically poop themselves and return to the warp on a 1+.

 
   
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 Fayric wrote:
Hmm, the daemonkin book dont allow bloodthirsters to take rewards, but the white dwarf BT rules did.
I sure hope this book give them rewards.

And perhaps a formation that allow flying monsters to assault before turn 4 :(


Oh you mean for summoned Daemonkin right haha? Because I was going to say - even in hammer and anvil, you're looking at turn 3 at worst
   
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Requizen wrote:
 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
daveNYC wrote:
AncientSkarbrand wrote:
The book is for the chaos daemons faction. If they take rewards away for the bloodthirsters from the chaos daemons codex, they would take it away from all daemons.

I don't think that's going to happen.

People keep saying "4 dp formation must be useless, models are too expensive pointswise" but it's still better than nothing. I have 7 daemon prince models, working on a conversion for my 8th, and I'm definitely going to use the formation, and hope it's awesome. Without changing the ALE, a formation is the best gw could do to make the units use able, and it's definitely capable of doing so. I don't understand how having a chance for your models to become more effective can disappoint you. Wait until the rules leak and it's only a 4++ and -1 to fear tests or something, then get mad.

This isn't the release daemons deserve, but it still might be the one we need right now.


4++ and -1 to fear tests, but it doesn't work on ATSKNF. Gotta be realistic here.

What doesn't work on ATSKNF? The -1 or the 4++?


Nothing works against ATSKNF - Daemons don't get saves and are IDd by all attacks or shots from Space Marines

I'd actually be OK with that. I'm convinced that a lot of Chaos' (or CSM at least) woes are due to them being balanced to be strictly worse than SM since SM are the poster boys and Chaos are the archenemy. If they gave Chaos crazy awesome rules but just made them not work against SM (to reflect plot armor or whatever) then Chaos could actually be good again, if not against SM then at least against somebody.

Jessica Alba is to hot like Fzorgle is to GW failing at life.
- Phryxis on Slaaneshi psychic powers

Lets forge a narrative! Your aspiring champion makes a wet farting sound, much like when you let go of a filled balloon, as he/she is sent to eternal damnation in the warp for defeating Calgar.
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 avedominusnox wrote:
Apart from the herald on disc and screamers the other beasts look unfamiliar with other tzeentch units. Especially the one with the tentacles..

The 'tentacle' guy is most likely the Exalted Flamer - http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Chaos-Daemons-Burning-Chariot-of-Tzeentch. He's probably one of the dataslates that coming with the book, since the Burning Chariot kit can assemble either a Herald or the Exalted Flamer on foot in addition to them being mounted on the chariot. His rules for being on foot got added in on the Chaos Demon 7th Edition FAQ.


 
   
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 luke1705 wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
Hmm, the daemonkin book dont allow bloodthirsters to take rewards, but the white dwarf BT rules did.
I sure hope this book give them rewards.

And perhaps a formation that allow flying monsters to assault before turn 4 :(


Oh you mean for summoned Daemonkin right haha? Because I was going to say - even in hammer and anvil, you're looking at turn 3 at worst


No, sorry, I meant swooping monsters. They enter play at turn 2 earliest, land (change to glide) in turn 3, and may assault in turn 4.
   
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FMCs can start on the table though.

Multiple thin coats are always better than one thick coat.
 
   
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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
FMCs can start on the table though.


Our problem is that anything which gets summoned, whether through psychic powers or abilities like the Blood Tithe table are useless, as at best they can't assault until turn 4. That's borderline unplayable for models who's damage output is almost entirely limited to punching things, while costing 250-300+ points!

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Wait, why turn 4 for Summoned?

Summon BT/LoC on Turn 1 with Possession (in Gliding mode)
Land on Turn 2
Charge on Turn 3

Blood Tithe you're right, though. Either way sucks, to be fair, there's no reason they can't land in Glide mode.
   
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Summoning an fmc first turn is usually suboptimal because you would be trading a full squad from your list out for it, particularly if you get first turn.

I might summon one turn 1 if someone focused my horrors down to 8 or less. Otherwise the horrors should benefit my list more than a fmc charging turn 3 if no one runs away from it.

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A few people I've talked to supposedly found a loophole with the wording for summoning with KDK which apparently gets them to land a turn earlier than normal. Can't remember how they justified it though, honestly I've found quite a few of my local KDK players to be the type that constantly get their rules wrong or flat out cheat. Kind of unfortunate as most Chaos players in my area are really nice

Getting off that tangent, I'd expect that Daemon Prince formation to be a one-of-each-god kind of deal in the same vein as the Tetragon of Darkness. It would only make sense after all.
   
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Caederes wrote:
A few people I've talked to supposedly found a loophole with the wording for summoning with KDK which apparently gets them to land a turn earlier than normal. Can't remember how they justified it though, honestly I've found quite a few of my local KDK players to be the type that constantly get their rules wrong or flat out cheat. Kind of unfortunate as most Chaos players in my area are really nice

Its been covered numerous times in YMDC and its legality is questionable at best.

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Well, the exalted flamer and Belakor dataslates are leaked and there are no changes.

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Neither seems changed. Good for Be'lakor, meh for the Exalted Flamer.

Warpflame unchanged. Meh, would have been nice to get a bonus on it but I'm kinda non plussed.

Grimoire Collection:

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So, notes:
-God specific Warlord Traits has me iffy. 4 Warlord Trait tables? That's a lot. If only one tables gets the Reroll Daemonic Instability, the other two will probably just be ignored.
-New Hellforged Artefacts probably means we're not getting any alternative options (i.e. still part of the Exalted Rewards table), but I don't know if "new" means "replacing old ones" or "additional artefacts".

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So Exalted Flamers didn't get fixed.

Here's to betting that Skarbrand is still 225pts of pure garbage, who's only usable role is to gift your opponent with First Blood!

 
   
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Meh, not every special character has to be good. In fact, most of them are pretty bad as it is. Skarbrand is lucky enough to at least have a good model to make up for his badness.

*scowls at my Trazyn and Imotekh models*
   
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Not much, a few more pics from the webshop *updated*

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