New Warhammer 40,000: Close Combat Weapons - NEW

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**Ego788**

Has anyone heard anything about Thunder Hammers, mainly if they will receive the -1 to hit like PFs?

**AndrewGPaul**

What's stopping them doing that now? The army lists will initially be in one book, but that doesn't mean they'll be in one [/]army list[/I] (or Faction, if that's the term now). And those books are only until they start doing army -specific Codex books again (precedent: 4th and 6th edition Warhammer, 2nd and 3rd edition 40k, Age of Sigmar).

**Deadshot**

Ego788 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about Thunder Hammers, mainly if they will receive the -1 to hit like PFs?

Extremely like, Thunder Hammers have pretty much always been Power Fists + (what we now call Concussive) since 4th Ed. They are also big and unwieldy and I'd bet my wages on TH getting -1 to hit (seeing as Axes and Fists both share this trait.

**Ego788**

Deadshot wrote:
Ego788 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about Thunder Hammers, mainly if they will receive the -1 to hit like PFs?

Extremely like, Thunder Hammers have pretty much always been Power Fists + (what we now call Concussive) since 4th Ed. They are also big and unwieldy and I'd bet my wages on TH getting -1 to hit (seeing as Axes and Fists both share this trait.

Yeah, but I was hoping... I'd love to play Deathwing again without a bunch of needless penalties. Maybe there will still be a way. Doubt it, though.

**Deadshot**

Ego788 wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Ego788 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about Thunder Hammers, mainly if they will receive the -1 to hit like PFs?

Extremely like, Thunder Hammers have pretty much always been Power Fists + (what we now call Concussive) since 4th Ed. They are also big and unwieldy and I'd bet my wages on TH getting -1 to hit (seeing as Axes and Fists both share this trait.

Yeah, but I was hoping... I'd love to play Deathwing again without a bunch of needless penalties. Maybe there will still be a way. Doubt it, though.

The -1 to hit is much better than going last, which anyone can do these days. So there will be situations where you will have -1 to hit AND go last... but... there will be times when you get to strike FIRST!

Just with a slight penalty of -1 to hit (So your Deathwing need a 4+ or 3+ instead of 3+ and 2+ which isn't bad at all)

**CadianGateTroll**

The axe is my fav weapon. I already modeled a lot of my guys with it accepting the unwieldly penalty in 7th ed.

**Ego788**

Deadshot wrote:
Ego788 wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
Ego788 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about Thunder Hammers, mainly if they will receive the -1 to hit like PFs?

Extremely like, Thunder Hammers have pretty much always been Power Fists + (what we now call Concussive) since 4th Ed. They are also big and unwieldy and I'd bet my wages on TH getting -1 to hit (seeing as Axes and Fists both share this trait.

Yeah, but I was hoping... I'd love to play Deathwing again without a bunch of needless penalties. Maybe there will still be a way. Doubt it, though.

The -1 to hit is much better than going last, which anyone can do these days. So there will be situations where you will have -1 to hit AND go last... but... there will be times when you get to strike FIRST! Just with a slight penalty of -1 to hit (So your Deathwing need a 4+ or 3+ instead of 3+ and 2+ which isn't bad at all)

That is true. Very true.

**Ashiraya**

Vaktathi wrote:
As someone who spends 3 knights a week doing HEMA swordplay, swords are not the optimal weapon against armor. They are very much for fighting unarmored or lightly armored opponents. Concussive force weapons are the go-to against armored opponents because that force transfers through the armor and bends/crushes it (with the wearer inside), while armor will easily set aside thrusts and cuts, hence why you get into the awkward nature of half-swording and a whole lot more grappling when swordfighting armored opponents.

Maybe they are doing mordhau strikes with the power sword