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That and read the entire Lord of the Rings material, where nations and factions mix to fight for a common cause.

Sub-factions are a thing and have been a thing for a very long time, and also is a thing that exists in the real world.

pm713 wrote:
It kind of doesn't. They're meant to be armies not a random mix of different companies working together. But we're stuck with what Sigmar gave us...

You never heard of military alliances? They're quite a common thing through fiction and history.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

pm713 wrote:
It kind of doesn't. They're meant to be armies not a random mix of different companies working together. But we're stuck with what Sigmar gave us...

You never heard of military alliances? They're quite a common thing through fiction and history.

Between lizards and men?

Please note the use of the words "fiction" and "historical"

pm713 wrote:
It's not. The Empire was a single nation and everyone was under a single military. Not five different armies that work together which is really dumb.

Things like Ironweld shouldn't really exist as a faction. It makes no sense to have an army just for war machines. The sane thing was to not split all the armies up but that ship sailed.

The Empire was not a single nation. It was a collection of independent provinces each of which maintained its own state army. Still, they were all in a single army book. By AoS standards every province would have been its own faction and then the knightly orders and college of wizards would have been separate factions as well.
I heavily agree that the ridiculous faction-splitting is one of the most slowed things GW has done for AoS. Things like Ironweld are never going to be actual factions, so why make them separate? It is useless and only adds confusion.

Well, GW has been backtracking on the faction splitting since Disciples of Tzeentch (combined Daemons of Tzeentch and Tzeentch Arcanites into one book), so I doubt you'll have that complaint to lean on for much longer.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

pm713 wrote:
It's not. The Empire was a single nation and everyone was under a single military. Not five different armies that work together which is really dumb.

Things like Ironweld shouldn't really exist as a faction. It makes no sense to have an army just for war machines. The sane thing was to not split all the armies up but that ship sailed.

The Empire was not a single nation. It was a collection of independent provinces each of which maintained its own state army. Still, they were all in a single army book. By AoS standards every province would have been its own faction and then the knightly orders and college of wizards would have been separate factions as well.
I heavily agree that the ridiculous faction-splitting is one of the most slowed things GW has done for AoS. Things like Ironweld are never going to be actual factions, so why make them separate? It is useless and only adds confusion.

It is their way of killing of models that still have good molds I think. Why else would some factions be 2 models long........

Hell does anyone actually think firebellys a whole factions of 1 model will get a book?
Quick edit there is 59 factions, there is 54 stormcast models. "or buyable items on GW"
There is 10 battle tomes, after 3 years? plus there living index is gone from some regions even tho they said it will be around for ever..... short time this forever. The end times lasted longer then their living index.
Now there is like 5 boxed games about this AoS.

AoS is basically a D&D game.

Buy your models off of AoS website then use them in your board games and forge your own narrative. I.E. dungeon and dragons board game with all models here for way to much money and little customization.

OH OH and my favorite part of it all the mirco transactions ON A BOARD GAME!!!!!!!
We added new info for more models on the board games you bought for 100$ you can buy on your tablet for 9.99$
What a age to live in where mirco transactions are given to board games. The rules to the freaking games are a added cost....

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the Ironweld.

They have quite a bit of lore focus and are a major power with the Greywater Reach city. So they'll stay their own faction but i'm betting the Freeguild battletome we'll give them some formations that encourage mixing with more soldiers as a form of a Greywater expeditionary force.

Baron Klatz wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what they do with the Ironweld.

They have quite a bit of lore focus and are a major power with the Greywater Reach city. So they'll stay their own faction but i'm betting the Freeguild battletome we'll give them some formations that encourage mixing with more soldiers as a form of a Greywater expeditionary force.

Or the could end up as kislev, tomb kings, squats mentioned and thats that.

I certainly doubt that.

Nice rants though.

The factions are getting consolidated now so Firebellies will get combined into a battletome eventually. Before that the whole thing was open play and encouraged forging the narrative so adding extra flavor like that helped.(but of course the competitive side won out)

The battletome and board game releases are pretty frequent considering they have to balance it with 40k releases per year so I definitely don't see that as a problem.

And the Silver Tower microtransaction would've been a $20-$40 rulebook addition pre-digital days so it's more a money saver if anything.

Edit: Also, what do you mean by living index? I can't find anything about that on Google.

Closest thing that comes up is the AoS app and if that's what you mean then it's very much alive.
I haven't heard about the region problems but warscrolls, compendiums and the like is available on their websites.

Baron Klatz wrote:
I certainly doubt that.

Nice rants though.

The factions are getting consolidated now so Firebellies will get combined into a battletome eventually. Before that the whole thing was open play and encouraged forging the narrative so adding extra flavor like that helped.(but of course the competitive side won out)

The battletome and board game releases are pretty frequent considering they have to balance it with 40k releases per year so I definitely don't see that as a problem.

And the Silver Tower microtransaction would've been a $20-$40 rulebook addition pre-digital days so it's more a money saver if anything.

Edit: Also, what do you mean by living index? I can't find anything about that on Google.

Closest thing that comes up is the AoS app and if that's what you mean then it's very much alive.
I haven't heard about the region problems but warscrolls, compendiums and the like is available on their websites.

the warscroll compendiums disappear and reappear seemingly at random from time to time, thinking its website issues not a "going away" issue.

Indeed, they're permanently up on the AoS app's general handbook section so I'm thinking it's just GW's shaky steps into the digital age more than anything.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Indeed, they're permanently up on the AoS app's general handbook section so I'm thinking it's just GW's shaky steps into the digital age more than anything.

we dont have the app, just use the website, and its ...touchy from time to time anyhow. too lazy to download and print, of course some of us are gettnig to the memorized stage of our scrolls. one of the advantages to buying the new factions stuff is the scrolls included

Just play Age of Fantasy (and Age of Fantasy skirmish) from One Page Rules. It's a rules-light ruleset that was conceived to have it's own rules analogue for every Age of Sigmar unit (including non plagiarized names for those units to escape the GW wrath) and every faction is organized like traditional Warhammer Fantasy, ala Empire, Lizardmen, Ogre Kingdoms, etc.

I actually think it's more fun than AoS, but primarily bring it up for an example of how GW should have organized AoS.

I like Stormcasts now. In the beginning they were very bland to me, but they still had fantastic models and they looked fun to play. With the Battletome, which I have even though I don't play them, is filled with great fluff which really expanded on the Stormcasts as a whole.

I actually really want to start a Stormcasts army now, especially with the Shadespire Stormcasts that I really enjoy. I'm thinking of starting an army based on the Skyborne Slayers battalion (not sure how good it is anymore, heard it got a point increase), and paint them as Lightning Hawks. That's by far the nicest looking colour scheme, and they are described as "striking from the heavens", so the battalion fits nicely.

 The Green one wrote:
For me they are the primary reason why I have yet to really start getting into AOS and I share the feeling of them being pushed just to much while other factions (primary death) are left to wait.

Yup.
I hate the very idea of them.
And, am not even the least bit interest in AoS for their existence.
Yuck.

With the move to AoS from WHFB, the heavy handed push of the SCE, while leaving older model ranges to wither on the vine (and two interesting armies to get squatted), was disappointing.

Hobby wise, GW has been making superb miniatures recently, but the SCE line looks dull. IMO of course.

I like them. The idea that Mortal men can have a chance to be something more. Like a justified reward. If chaos followers have their faith rewarded why shouldn't mortal men?

Although they all look rather "Samey" ATM. There isn't enough individuality or Host fluff/background for my liking yet. At least not on a large scale.

I like the stormcast, They are an army of paladins that actually care about people. Unlike the genocidal space marines.

Also according to "David Guymer", Stormcast are capable of having sex and feeling love and space marines can't. That makes them far more human in my opinion.

David Guymer even said his "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" novel will have a Romance sub-story in it.

xking wrote:
I like the stormcast, They are an army of paladins that actually care about people. Unlike the genocidal space marines.

Also according to "David Guymer", Stormcast are capable of having sex and feeling love and space marines can't. That makes them far more human in my opinion.

David Guymer even said his "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" novel will have a Romance sub-story in it.

Space Marines generally care about people you know.


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 _score wrote:
I like them. The idea that Mortal men can have a chance to be something more. Like a justified reward. If chaos followers have their faith rewarded why shouldn't mortal men?

Although they all look rather "Samey" ATM. There isn't enough individuality or Host fluff/background for my liking yet. At least not on a large scale.

Chaos doesn't reward anyone. That's the whole point. They just trick people with power that leads to more slavery.

SCE are hardly more as they constantly lose themselves and never get peaceful rest. Sounds more like punishment than reward.

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:
I like the stormcast, They are an army of paladins that actually care about people. Unlike the genocidal space marines.

Also according to "David Guymer", Stormcast are capable of having sex and feeling love and space marines can't. That makes them far more human in my opinion.

David Guymer even said his "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" novel will have a Romance sub-story in it.

Space Marines generally care about people you know.


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 _score wrote:
I like them. The idea that Mortal men can have a chance to be something more. Like a justified reward. If chaos followers have their faith rewarded why shouldn't mortal men?

Although they all look rather "Samey" ATM. There isn't enough individuality or Host fluff/background for my liking yet. At least not on a large scale.

Chaos doesn't reward anyone. That's the whole point. They just trick people with power that leads to more slavery.

SCE are hardly more as they constantly lose themselves and never get peaceful rest. Sounds more like punishment than reward.

Space Marines don't "care" about people(with except maybe the salamanders). When they look at a normal human they see more of a thing then a person.

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:
I like the stormcast, They are an army of paladins that actually care about people. Unlike the genocidal space marines.

Also according to "David Guymer", Stormcast are capable of having sex and feeling love and space marines can't. That makes them far more human in my opinion.

David Guymer even said his "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" novel will have a Romance sub-story in it.

Space Marines generally care about people you know.


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 _score wrote:
I like them. The idea that Mortal men can have a chance to be something more. Like a justified reward. If chaos followers have their faith rewarded why shouldn't mortal men?

Although they all look rather "Samey" ATM. There isn't enough individuality or Host fluff/background for my liking yet. At least not on a large scale.

Chaos doesn't reward anyone. That's the whole point. They just trick people with power that leads to more slavery.

SCE are hardly more as they constantly lose themselves and never get peaceful rest. Sounds more like punishment than reward.

Space Marines don't "care" about people(with except maybe the salamanders). When they look at a normal human they see more of a thing then a person.

The general view for a Space Marine is that a person is a person. They're what the Space Marines are there to protect because they're important. Some Chapters might think they're things but the general view is definitely that they're important.

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:
I like the stormcast, They are an army of paladins that actually care about people. Unlike the genocidal space marines.

Also according to "David Guymer", Stormcast are capable of having sex and feeling love and space marines can't. That makes them far more human in my opinion.

David Guymer even said his "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" novel will have a Romance sub-story in it.

Space Marines generally care about people you know.


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 _score wrote:
I like them. The idea that Mortal men can have a chance to be something more. Like a justified reward. If chaos followers have their faith rewarded why shouldn't mortal men?

Although they all look rather "Samey" ATM. There isn't enough individuality or Host fluff/background for my liking yet. At least not on a large scale.

Chaos doesn't reward anyone. That's the whole point. They just trick people with power that leads to more slavery.

SCE are hardly more as they constantly lose themselves and never get peaceful rest. Sounds more like punishment than reward.

Space Marines don't "care" about people(with except maybe the salamanders). When they look at a normal human they see more of a thing then a person.

The general view for a Space Marine is that a person is a person. They're what the Space Marines are there to protect because they're important. Some Chapters might think they're things but the general view is definitely that they're important.

Really? sometime ago I listened to an 40k audio drama. Where two Space Marine Chapters are competing to see who could pacify two rebellious worlds better. The end result was near total genocide with one of the worlds becoming a nuclear wasteland.

Yeah, Space Marines can range from compassionate to completely uncaring. 40k leans more towards the latter with them to fit their super soldier in a cruel universe status.

Stormcast are empowered knights like chaos knights but with Sigmar emphasizing humanity and honor over power and corruption as Chaos does. So you only really get one Chamber of knights who are jerks to the core.

Cool to hear about Hamilcar, certainly fits with Sigmar cherishing life and flourishing humanity. That's also a bonus about Stormcast over Space marines to me as well. They actually can have a retirement plan.

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:

pm713 wrote:

xking wrote:
I like the stormcast, They are an army of paladins that actually care about people. Unlike the genocidal space marines.

Also according to "David Guymer", Stormcast are capable of having sex and feeling love and space marines can't. That makes them far more human in my opinion.

David Guymer even said his "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" novel will have a Romance sub-story in it.

Space Marines generally care about people you know.


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 _score wrote:
I like them. The idea that Mortal men can have a chance to be something more. Like a justified reward. If chaos followers have their faith rewarded why shouldn't mortal men?

Although they all look rather "Samey" ATM. There isn't enough individuality or Host fluff/background for my liking yet. At least not on a large scale.

Chaos doesn't reward anyone. That's the whole point. They just trick people with power that leads to more slavery.

SCE are hardly more as they constantly lose themselves and never get peaceful rest. Sounds more like punishment than reward.

Space Marines don't "care" about people(with except maybe the salamanders). When they look at a normal human they see more of a thing then a person.

The general view for a Space Marine is that a person is a person. They're what the Space Marines are there to protect because they're important. Some Chapters might think they're things but the general view is definitely that they're important.

Really? sometime ago I listened to an 40k audio drama. Where two Space Marine Chapters are competing to see who could pacify two rebellious worlds better. The end result was near total genocide with one of the worlds becoming a nuclear wasteland.

Space Marines care about people. It is their sacred duty to protect the Imperium and its people. But heretics aren't people. They are in fact a threat to the people. That is why you wipe out rebellious worlds.

Could we cut back on the quote pyramids, please?

In the Grim Darness of the fAr future, there is only war.

Man is a ressource, and if there's 1000 0000 innocent death to save a world, so be it, they can always pick a ton of people from a hive world to repopulate, it's not like there's a shortage of humans in the Imperium.

As to the main subject, I fell the splitting of the fraction is only to remove any limitation in making one's 'custom' army.

So I'm not in a corner having only Stormcast, for example, having access to no canon nor 'magic', or add that cool chariot model with a bunch of flagellants

 EnTyme wrote:
Could we cut back on the quote pyramids, please?

Or at least use spoiler tags. I like the quote pyramids saying though, nice one.

 EnTyme wrote:
Could we cut back on the quote pyramids, please?

Never! We must continue to build the quote pyramid until it reaches into Dakka heaven and we can usurp Yakface.

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