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stratigo wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
The marine comparison is mostly cosmetic. The armies' themes are really no that similar.

yes the the super soldiers created by the god king (slash god emperor) organized into military chambers reminiscent of crusading orders acting like warrior monks have nothing at all in common

They don't behave like warrior monks, though.

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:
Why would Sigmar care? He kidnapped them and violated them against their will. Why would he care if they start slowly loosing their humanity?

Another thing to compare them to Space Marines sadly. While I am liking they are getting more character it's just becoming Sigmarines again.

Make them unique. Even if GW has to recton it, do it now before it's too late.

They are inspired by space marines but they are nothing alike going by the novels. As Nova said plague garden shows this.

Ummmm... dude the hallowed knights are so space marine they could paint their armor black and white and you'd suddenly be unable to tell the difference between them and black templars. Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. They go through the same moral quandaries ("Oh woe is I how doth I relate to mortals now that I have ascended"). They are, as they have been characterized relentlessly, rather religiously minded, isolated from humans in their internal brotherhoods, and the stories could be beat for beat bolter porn. You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. There's not much difference between the iconic drop pod assault and riding the lightning.



EDIT: And, ultimately, this isn't a problem. Space marines are cool. Fantasy space marines COULD be cool. My problem with stormcast would be, one, AoS is a less defined setting and Stormcast need a lot of help to make them interesting. I'd imagine 2 years in, space marines would be boring too, but space marines have 30 years of characterization to fall back on. And, two, Stormcast are space marines in marketting and production too, and that sucks for everyone not interested in playing stormcast. Stormcast have a giant full roster up to the standards of a 40k army. None of the other new releases come close (though some older reboxing has managed, like seraphon), and some armies are wallowing with like 3 options. It SUCKS to enjoy something other than stormcast, and see that half the releases of AoS in any given year be stormcast.

stratigo wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:
Why would Sigmar care? He kidnapped them and violated them against their will. Why would he care if they start slowly loosing their humanity?

Another thing to compare them to Space Marines sadly. While I am liking they are getting more character it's just becoming Sigmarines again.

Make them unique. Even if GW has to recton it, do it now before it's too late.

They are inspired by space marines but they are nothing alike going by the novels. As Nova said plague garden shows this.

Ummmm... dude the hallowed knights are so space marine they could paint their armor black and white and you'd suddenly be unable to tell the difference between them and black templars. Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. They go through the same moral quandaries ("Oh woe is I how doth I relate to mortals now that I have ascended"). They are, as they have been characterized relentlessly, rather religiously minded, isolated from humans in their internal brotherhoods, and the stories could be beat for beat bolter porn. You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. There's not much difference between the iconic drop pod assault and riding the lightning.

Eh not really. They're far more human than space marines could ever hope to be. They're not kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into the imperial creed. They're taken as adults and then changed into something more. They revere Sigmar because they've met him. They walk among they're god, unlike the space marines who have never so much as seen the Emperor. They feast and drink and dick around with their ancestors. Hell, one piece of fluff that makes me laugh is that there's a Stormcast who specifically goes and hangs out with his ancestors every few generations just to freak them out and be a dick. If anything, the closest chapter you could equate them too would be the Wovles.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:
Why would Sigmar care? He kidnapped them and violated them against their will. Why would he care if they start slowly loosing their humanity?

Another thing to compare them to Space Marines sadly. While I am liking they are getting more character it's just becoming Sigmarines again.

Make them unique. Even if GW has to recton it, do it now before it's too late.

They are inspired by space marines but they are nothing alike going by the novels. As Nova said plague garden shows this.

Ummmm... dude the hallowed knights are so space marine they could paint their armor black and white and you'd suddenly be unable to tell the difference between them and black templars. Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. They go through the same moral quandaries ("Oh woe is I how doth I relate to mortals now that I have ascended"). They are, as they have been characterized relentlessly, rather religiously minded, isolated from humans in their internal brotherhoods, and the stories could be beat for beat bolter porn. You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. There's not much difference between the iconic drop pod assault and riding the lightning.

Eh not really. They're far more human than space marines could ever hope to be. They're not kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into the imperial creed. They're taken as adults and then changed into something more. They revere Sigmar because they've met him. They walk among they're god, unlike the space marines who have never so much as seen the Emperor. They feast and drink and dick around with their ancestors. Hell, one piece of fluff that makes me laugh is that there's a Stormcast who specifically goes and hangs out with his ancestors every few generations just to freak them out and be a dick. If anything, the closest chapter you could equate them too would be the Wovles.

Have you read... well I was gonna say dante, but at least half of space marine books have characters that emphasize a connection with humanity and an urge to not lose that. Ultramarines, blood angels, fuggin black dragons.

No. I have only a passing interest in 40k these days and even less in space marines in general. But what I do know is the Stormcast are sufficiently different from space marines to catch the interest far more. And besides, it's only a handful of chapters that do that. And you missed out the most important one in the Salamanders.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No. I have only a passing interest in 40k these days and even less in space marines in general. But what I do know is the Stormcast are sufficiently different from space marines to catch the interest far more. And besides, it's only a handful of chapters that do that. And you missed out the most important one in the Salamanders.

I'm not sure the salamander books focused on that aspect of the chapter, but I might be misremembering. I'm just comparing the stories that GW tells about space marines and the stories that GW tells about Stormcast. They're, being very generous 80 percent indistinguishable. You can, for background, file off names and replace with their equivalent and they would be pretty much the exact same thing th eway GW has written them in both background and in novels.

If GW emphasized Stormcast being essentially einherjar, then they'd at least have something going for them (they'd be space wolves without the oppressive wolf wolf wolfing wolves). But they're pretty much space marines. The primary different comes down to overall feel of the setting. Space marines have a grimdark twist, stormcast don't. That's down to 40k being grimdark and AoS being far more optimistic.

They are growing on me. It's not that I ever hated them, it's just taking me a lot to say goodbye to the world that was. As the years go by and the lore is built upon I am enjoying AOS more. (Although I do think the End Times could have been avoided)

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:
Why would Sigmar care? He kidnapped them and violated them against their will. Why would he care if they start slowly loosing their humanity?

Another thing to compare them to Space Marines sadly. While I am liking they are getting more character it's just becoming Sigmarines again.

Make them unique. Even if GW has to recton it, do it now before it's too late.

They are inspired by space marines but they are nothing alike going by the novels. As Nova said plague garden shows this.

Ummmm... dude the hallowed knights are so space marine they could paint their armor black and white and you'd suddenly be unable to tell the difference between them and black templars. Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. They go through the same moral quandaries ("Oh woe is I how doth I relate to mortals now that I have ascended"). They are, as they have been characterized relentlessly, rather religiously minded, isolated from humans in their internal brotherhoods, and the stories could be beat for beat bolter porn. You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. There's not much difference between the iconic drop pod assault and riding the lightning.

Eh not really. They're far more human than space marines could ever hope to be. They're not kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into the imperial creed. They're taken as adults and then changed into something more. They revere Sigmar because they've met him. They walk among they're god, unlike the space marines who have never so much as seen the Emperor. They feast and drink and dick around with their ancestors. Hell, one piece of fluff that makes me laugh is that there's a Stormcast who specifically goes and hangs out with his ancestors every few generations just to freak them out and be a dick. If anything, the closest chapter you could equate them too would be the Wovles.

So they're Heresy Marines. Ooee that sure is better. You realise that many Space Marines are inducted as what their planet considers adults?

Indeed but as has been clarified before the Stormcast are made from strong willed individuals(doctors, farmers, bakers) rather than just the best warriors. There's more nuances to it than people give them credit for.

Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine. 

Really they're fantasy versions of Grey Knights more than just space marines. Anti-magic knights that are faithful to the end. (Only the Faithful! )

Both a play off of holy paladins in either case which is certainly fine by me.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. 

Eh, there's doubt, fear, flamboyancy and inexperience there that stands out.

To me it reads like over eager knights trying to prove themselves but are cast into a baptism by fire and pay the price when they underestimate chaos or are taken aback by such terrifying enemies that they've never faced before.

You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book. 

There's space marines with farmer backgrounds who could explain a mill stone?

I mean I get your point in that both would be groups of bad@$$ armored elites but it certainly wouldn't be identical.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. 

I actually haven't read them doing that a lot. Usually they use the transportation to get near the area they need to take and battle it out from there.

The inaccuracy of the magic and the fact it's been manipulated by human seers and other forces to affect it's destination makes less a drop pod and more a instant gateway.

And, two, Stormcast are space marines in marketting and production too, and that sucks for everyone not interested in playing stormcast.

This complaint I get but it's mostly reasonable on GW's part when you step back and look at it:

-Starter set Stormcast and a bare bones army that needs fleshing out.
-months of fleshing out.
-extremis chamber for a cavalry option.
-pretty much no more releases all through 2016 except three heroes and one of those is a Warhammer World exclusive.
-Vanguard force which mixes lighter armored Stormcast with awesome animal models.
-Very much needed battletome update with cheaper Starter set to go along with it for both Stormcast and Khorne players.
-Blight war and 3 Free city boxes with Stormcast as allies.

Of those I'd say the Blight war was the only unneeded thing that likely would've been better for Sylvaneth.

You could say Vanguard too but with the Stormcast focus already in place for this year and how the global event has Order spreading out and in need of more outriders I'd say they're justified.

Now that I am painting some Stormcasts from Shadspire, and not painting them pure gold and painting skin on them so they have less armour, I am starting to like the minis now at least.

So now I have to see if I can use them as non Stormcasts so I can use them with my non evil chaos army I want to build.

If not maybe it's time to finally buy the Stormcast battletomb. Here is hoping they flesh out story. Never wanted to take the chance on it just in case they didn't.

Davor

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Most people i've seen get the new battletome and were iffy on Stormcasts came right around to them now that they've been properly fleshed out.

I like the idea of a non evil chaos army. Is it completely good or more chaotic good?

Stormcast battletomb.

Someone submit that idea to GW if they ever do undead Stormcasts.

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:
Why would Sigmar care? He kidnapped them and violated them against their will. Why would he care if they start slowly loosing their humanity?

Another thing to compare them to Space Marines sadly. While I am liking they are getting more character it's just becoming Sigmarines again.

Make them unique. Even if GW has to recton it, do it now before it's too late.

They are inspired by space marines but they are nothing alike going by the novels. As Nova said plague garden shows this.

Ummmm... dude the hallowed knights are so space marine they could paint their armor black and white and you'd suddenly be unable to tell the difference between them and black templars. Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. They go through the same moral quandaries ("Oh woe is I how doth I relate to mortals now that I have ascended"). They are, as they have been characterized relentlessly, rather religiously minded, isolated from humans in their internal brotherhoods, and the stories could be beat for beat bolter porn. You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. There's not much difference between the iconic drop pod assault and riding the lightning.

Eh not really. They're far more human than space marines could ever hope to be. They're not kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into the imperial creed. They're taken as adults and then changed into something more. They revere Sigmar because they've met him. They walk among they're god, unlike the space marines who have never so much as seen the Emperor. They feast and drink and dick around with their ancestors. Hell, one piece of fluff that makes me laugh is that there's a Stormcast who specifically goes and hangs out with his ancestors every few generations just to freak them out and be a dick. If anything, the closest chapter you could equate them too would be the Wovles.

So they're Heresy Marines. Ooee that sure is better. You realise that many Space Marines are inducted as what their planet considers adults?

Don't know. Don't care about the heresy, by far the most boring part of 40k. But what the planets consider adults is irrelevant. It's a long standing piece of fluff that they are taken as pre-teens as once they've hit puberty the transformation process almost always fails after that.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:
Why would Sigmar care? He kidnapped them and violated them against their will. Why would he care if they start slowly loosing their humanity?

Another thing to compare them to Space Marines sadly. While I am liking they are getting more character it's just becoming Sigmarines again.

Make them unique. Even if GW has to recton it, do it now before it's too late.

They are inspired by space marines but they are nothing alike going by the novels. As Nova said plague garden shows this.

Ummmm... dude the hallowed knights are so space marine they could paint their armor black and white and you'd suddenly be unable to tell the difference between them and black templars. Of the stormcast, the hallowed knights are the MOST space marine.

In the novels, stormcast operate exactly the same as space marines. They go through the same moral quandaries ("Oh woe is I how doth I relate to mortals now that I have ascended"). They are, as they have been characterized relentlessly, rather religiously minded, isolated from humans in their internal brotherhoods, and the stories could be beat for beat bolter porn. You could literally write plague garden in 40k switching stormcast for space marines and it would read as the entirely same book.

They even fight like space marines, ascended unexpected from on high with lightning drop in assaults directed to cause maximum damage where the enemy is most vulnerable/the need is greatest. There's not much difference between the iconic drop pod assault and riding the lightning.

Eh not really. They're far more human than space marines could ever hope to be. They're not kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into the imperial creed. They're taken as adults and then changed into something more. They revere Sigmar because they've met him. They walk among they're god, unlike the space marines who have never so much as seen the Emperor. They feast and drink and dick around with their ancestors. Hell, one piece of fluff that makes me laugh is that there's a Stormcast who specifically goes and hangs out with his ancestors every few generations just to freak them out and be a dick. If anything, the closest chapter you could equate them too would be the Wovles.

So they're Heresy Marines. Ooee that sure is better. You realise that many Space Marines are inducted as what their planet considers adults?

Don't know. Don't care about the heresy, by far the most boring part of 40k. But what the planets consider adults is irrelevant. It's a long standing piece of fluff that they are taken as pre-teens as once they've hit puberty the transformation process almost always fails after that.

Yet it's incredibly like Sigmar. I wasn't aware that around 15 was considered pre teen nowadays.

Again no. As they're taken as adults, usually after spending most of their mortal lives fighting against chaos. And unless the fluff has changed (which it could well have done) 15 was still too old for space marines, as I believe it usually had to be around the 11-12 age.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Again no. As they're taken as adults, usually after spending most of their mortal lives fighting against chaos. And unless the fluff has changed (which it could well have done) 15 was still too old for space marines, as I believe it usually had to be around the 11-12 age.

Or younger, but as with all 40k lore there are inconsistencies. Space wolves for instance have been known to recruit adult males......somehow

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Again no. As they're taken as adults, usually after spending most of their mortal lives fighting against chaos. And unless the fluff has changed (which it could well have done) 15 was still too old for space marines, as I believe it usually had to be around the 11-12 age.

The God---- leads his armies to take back the ----- from the forces of Darkness. At the fore are the -----. Fill in the blanks and you get 40k or Stormcasts. That fluff is definitely wrong as you can definitely get Marines in their teens. Even without that the difference between fighting Chaos specifically and just fighting to survive are so narrow in AoS's context it doesn't do anything to differentiate it from Marines.

You fill in those blanks and you can pick and choose virtually any generic fantasy or sci fi story ever written. In that case the fluff has changed as teens was definitely too old an edition or two ago. Probably more pc to make them a bit older, but who knows.

I'll disagree, I think it differentiates them enough to actually have a force that is pro-active rather than reactive. It's one of my biggest complaints about old fantasy and 40k that the "good guys" always sat on their asses and waited to be invaded. At least with AoS and the Stormcasts, they're for once actively taking the fight to the enemy.

Not really. It's very 40k/Stormcast.

Pro active like the Space Marines, the Imperial Guard and Fantasy definitely had pro active good guys. Stormcast aren't special in that regard beyond the stupidity of their deployment method seeing as they have to walk back or die.

Really now? Those blanks are pretty much a standard template of "Chosen one" and "Darklord" stories the world over. What are you talking about? They return the same way they were sent.

The guard and space marines are virtually never pro-active. They're always responding to a threat, never going out on their own initiative to win. In fact the only two times I can think they did was the great crusade and strangely enough the new crusade under Guilliman who's name escapes me right now.

Fantasy was even worse. The only time the "good guys" did something under their own initiative was when the High Elves under Eltharion went and invaded Naggaroth. And then that was retconned just to rub it in.

God King Gwyn lead his armies of Silver knights to take back his kingdom forces of darkness. (the God- part is literally the only obstacle there and certainly not insurmountable)

Also not really stupidity when they have no other choice. Any other gateway to Sigmar's realm is a threat for a breach by the dark gods. That's the whole point of the Stormcast, a way for Sigmar to extend his reach without opening himself for invasion.

Edit: the Empire did raid the Norscans under Sigmar's reign and Bretonnians crusade against evil at the behest of the Lady. So pretty much only when a god is in charge do mortals start getting things done.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Really now? Those blanks are pretty much a standard template of "Chosen one" and "Darklord" stories the world over. What are you talking about? They return the same way they were sent.

The guard and space marines are virtually never pro-active. They're always responding to a threat, never going out on their own initiative to win. In fact the only two times I can think they did was the great crusade and strangely enough the new crusade under Guilliman who's name escapes me right now.

Fantasy was even worse. The only time the "good guys" did something under their own initiative was when the High Elves under Eltharion went and invaded Naggaroth. And then that was retconned just to rub it in.

Not to that specific level. You're talking a generic theme I'm talking changing Davids name to Peter.

They constantly go and fight to retake planets and such. Saying they never go out alone is like saying that Chaos never does anything outside Black Crusades.

Again that's only big things. Dwarves fought over Karak Eight Peaks and to retake their Undgrin constantly. Bretonnia had many crusades and I'm pretty sure High Elves had an order of warriors who specifically looked for evil enemies.

I'm not going specific, just pulling out a couple of examples off the top of my head.

You're talking about going to retake planets and that's my point. That's reactionary. Pro-active would be going out and invading new territory, kicking traitors off their own worlds and taking them for themselves. Dwarves is again the same thing, they only fight back when invaded or to take back lost ground. They don't go out and seek to kick the orcs and goblins out of their territory and take it for themselves.

I believe you're thinking of the Phoenix Guard who had the ability to see the future. They knew when they were going to die and against what so they had a relative immunity about going up against champions or lords of other races.

You realise the Galaxy is finite? They can't keep expanding forever. Taking back territory lost to Warp Storms etc is proactive otherwise literally everything done by Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Orks, Necrons, Humanity and Chaos Marines is just reacting.

That's a bit silly. That means that all Stormcast and every single faction not Chaos is just endlessly reacting because they're retaking things from Chaos.....

Of course they can. If the Emperor had succeeded in the Great Crusade, do you think he would have stopped at the galaxy and not kept pushing further out?

And that's the point, they are. That's what makes the Stormcast interesting too me. They are sent into the heart of chaos infested lands and push them back and out. They go too chaos fortresses and siege them. The forces of order are the besiegers for a change. And we're starting to see it in other races too. When Alarielle was reborn the Sylvaneth finally went on the offensive instead of constantly being hounded. It's refreshing to read and see chaos be on the opposite end for a change.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Of course they can. If the Emperor had succeeded in the Great Crusade, do you think he would have stopped at the galaxy and not kept pushing further out?

And that's the point, they are. That's what makes the Stormcast interesting too me. They are sent into the heart of chaos infested lands and push them back and out. They go too chaos fortresses and siege them. The forces of order are the besiegers for a change. And we're starting to see it in other races too. When Alarielle was reborn the Sylvaneth finally went on the offensive instead of constantly being hounded. It's refreshing to read and see chaos be on the opposite end for a change.

This is one thing I like about AOS everyone is doing stuff like that. Vampire counts suffered from this in fantasy all they did is largely make mean faces at the empire.They tried to make vampire counts appear to be a threat to the empire but all they were in reality is like a knife in the side, chaos is the main bad guy that trashes everyone. While in AOS next's year narrative arc is death kicking everyone's teeth in. According to Reynolds it's not going to be a good time for order and chaos.

Jesus finally. It's about time Nagash got his bony ass off that throne. Soulblight and Deathrattle tomes please.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Of course they can. If the Emperor had succeeded in the Great Crusade, do you think he would have stopped at the galaxy and not kept pushing further out?

And that's the point, they are. That's what makes the Stormcast interesting too me. They are sent into the heart of chaos infested lands and push them back and out. They go too chaos fortresses and siege them. The forces of order are the besiegers for a change. And we're starting to see it in other races too. When Alarielle was reborn the Sylvaneth finally went on the offensive instead of constantly being hounded. It's refreshing to read and see chaos be on the opposite end for a change.

Yes. Because he can't go any further because there's no navigation.

You just said that kind of thing was reactive. There's things like the Great Crusade, Scouring, Most Black Crusades, Indomitus Crusade and most things done in Fantasy against Chaos. Chaos being attacked isn't new and the only reason you think that it would be is if you just want an excuse to like Stormcasts.

I hate them, they lack flavor and are too good, like they have no flaws which makes them boring. They are the vanilla ice cream of armies. And are pretty weak once you pop their hero's.

Tzeench army, caster on a vortx, 36inch bolt of tzeench from the back lines. Enjoy D6 mortal wounds to your hero unit buffiny stuff.

You don't know that. No one has any idea what tech the emperor had or how he may have chosen to expand the webway. But I'd make a strong bet that he wouldn't have chosen just to stop because things got a bit hard to see.

I listed most of those earlier, specifically siting the great crusade and Indomitus (admittedly I forgot the name). But "most things done in fantasy" means nothing unless you can pull out a few examples (like the retconned High Elf assault on Naggaroth led by Eltharion).

Lastly I don't need an excuse to like Stormcast. I like them because I do and if you're trying to bait, you shouldn't be so obvious about it.


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 Backspacehacker wrote:
I hate them, they lack flavor and are too good, like they have no flaws which makes them boring. They are the vanilla ice cream of armies. And are pretty weak once you pop their hero's.

Tzeench army, caster on a vortx, 36inch bolt of tzeench from the back lines. Enjoy D6 mortal wounds to your hero unit buffiny stuff.

If you think they have no flaws, you need to try reading their fluff and this thread. It's all already been listed out.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You don't know that. No one has any idea what tech the emperor had or how he may have chosen to expand the webway. But I'd make a strong bet that he wouldn't have chosen just to stop because things got a bit hard to see.

I listed most of those earlier, specifically siting the great crusade and Indomitus (admittedly I forgot the name). But "most things done in fantasy" means nothing unless you can pull out a few examples (like the retconned High Elf assault on Naggaroth led by Eltharion).

Lastly I don't need an excuse to like Stormcast. I like them because I do and if you're trying to bait, you shouldn't be so obvious about it.

Yes we do. We know that Humanity depended on the Astronomicons light for all its FTL travel which is why the Emperor attempted to access the Webway. Both of those things are completely limited to our Galaxy. Technically a little less than it actually.

Yes and you've been flip flopping constantly. There's the Slann's actions which were anti Chaos in general, Thorgrim aiding the northern Dwarfs, the constant fight of Kislev against the Wastes, the Dwarf expedition into the Chaos Wastes, the general attempts to purge Beastmen and such.