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To add something. The video wasn't taken during the recent protests but months ago. The only crime according to the Israeli government is that they made a video of it, because that's the problem.
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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jouso wrote: Back to the original issue. Some disturbing footage from the Israeli side has found its way.
Not much to add without overloading the profanity filter.
What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
Disciple of Fate wrote: This is going to go like it always goes, with the international community shrugging its shoulders and going "oh those Israelis/Palestinians".
Pretty excessive response for what so far should be more of a riot police situation.
As far as I'm concerned the damned UN should swoop in remove ALL people from Jerusalem and LEVEL the city with heavy ordnance until its nothing but a pile of pebble sized particles. These idiots have been fighting over this gak for 2000 years and it isn't even worth it. So I motion, if ya'll cant share it, then neither of you gets it.
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Frazzled wrote: Thousands of Hamas led "protesters" breaking through the frontier, it's a bloodbath if they get into civilian Israeli areas.
This is what happens when an entire region grows up without proper TexMex.
Damn straight! Good TexMex solves all problems.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
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Togusa wrote: As far as I'm concerned the damned UN should swoop in remove ALL people from Jerusalem and LEVEL the city with heavy ordnance until its nothing but a pile of pebble sized particles. These idiots have been fighting over this gak for 2000 years and it isn't even worth it. So I motion, if ya'll cant share it, then neither of you gets it.
Straight outta 1 KIngs 3:25. I like your thinking.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
Yeah great idea, equate the armed forces of what pretends to be a Western democracy with terrorists! That will get the message across!
Disciple of Fate wrote: This is going to go like it always goes, with the international community shrugging its shoulders and going "oh those Israelis/Palestinians".
Pretty excessive response for what so far should be more of a riot police situation.
As far as I'm concerned the damned UN should swoop in remove ALL people from Jerusalem and LEVEL the city with heavy ordnance until its nothing but a pile of pebble sized particles. These idiots have been fighting over this gak for 2000 years and it isn't even worth it. So I motion, if ya'll cant share it, then neither of you gets it.
You might as well level the entire region. Plenty of holy places to fight over even with Jerusalem gone.
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What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
Haaretz has been tying this to the current situation since, apparently, the Israeli soldiers show here murdering civilians are among those that were deployed for the protests. But they've been a bit hot under the collar about this business from the get go. Something about shooting the journalists. And refusing to allow wounded journalists to get medical treatment.
Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
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What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
Some posters in this thread were not convinced Israel would use live fire on unarmed protesters at the fence (including a side discussion on rubber bullets)
There you have it. It's almost a carbon copy, if smaller.
Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
Yeah great idea, equate the armed forces of what pretends to be a Western democracy with terrorists! That will get the message across!
The point, which you apparently missed, is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a cycle of violence with mutual hatred on both sides. If we're going to start making inflammatory posts, we could quite easily descend into a tit-for-tat.
Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
Yeah great idea, equate the armed forces of what pretends to be a Western democracy with terrorists! That will get the message across!
The point, which you apparently missed, is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a cycle of violence with mutual hatred on both sides. If we're going to start making inflammatory posts, we could quite easily descend into a tit-for-tat.
I didn't miss the point, on the contrary, you don't seem to notice the inherent irony in bringing up the equation of two sides doing bad things when one pretends to be a civilized and law abiding nation. By all means bring up Palestinian terrorism in response, it only makes things look worse for the Israeli army.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
Yeah great idea, equate the armed forces of what pretends to be a Western democracy with terrorists! That will get the message across!
Disciple of Fate wrote: This is going to go like it always goes, with the international community shrugging its shoulders and going "oh those Israelis/Palestinians".
Pretty excessive response for what so far should be more of a riot police situation.
As far as I'm concerned the damned UN should swoop in remove ALL people from Jerusalem and LEVEL the city with heavy ordnance until its nothing but a pile of pebble sized particles. These idiots have been fighting over this gak for 2000 years and it isn't even worth it. So I motion, if ya'll cant share it, then neither of you gets it.
You might as well level the entire region. Plenty of holy places to fight over even with Jerusalem gone.
Kingdom of heaven had it right.
Jerusalem is everything... And nothing.
Its value is what we make it. And we made it thr centre Point of over 2 billions peoples religion.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
Yeah great idea, equate the armed forces of what pretends to be a Western democracy with terrorists! That will get the message across!
Disciple of Fate wrote: This is going to go like it always goes, with the international community shrugging its shoulders and going "oh those Israelis/Palestinians".
Pretty excessive response for what so far should be more of a riot police situation.
As far as I'm concerned the damned UN should swoop in remove ALL people from Jerusalem and LEVEL the city with heavy ordnance until its nothing but a pile of pebble sized particles. These idiots have been fighting over this gak for 2000 years and it isn't even worth it. So I motion, if ya'll cant share it, then neither of you gets it.
You might as well level the entire region. Plenty of holy places to fight over even with Jerusalem gone.
Kingdom of heaven had it right.
Jerusalem is everything... And nothing.
Its value is what we make it. And we made it thr centre Point of over 2 billions peoples religion.
This is EXACTLY the reason I maintain it should be Law that all conflicts between peoples and nations are settled the same way:
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Once all the creaky taco and pupusa trucks from behind every home Depot are deported send them straight to the fence.
Taqueria in Tel Aviv is as close as it gets for the fancy, sit-at-the-table stuff but nothing beats an honest to God filthy food truck with sweaty tired looking builders quietly queuing up.
Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Again, follow the earlier discussion. Videos were posted of the current protests and people went the usual "not the whole picture", "doctored images" or "they must be rubber bullets, Israel wouldn't use live fire".
This is relevant because for once tells the story from the other side. And the story is trigger-happy youngsters cheering at having an unarmed, immobile protester shot a good distance away with children in the vicinity.
Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Again, follow the earlier discussion. Videos were posted of the current protests and people went the usual "not the whole picture", "doctored images" or "they must be rubber bullets, Israel wouldn't use live fire".
This is relevant because for once tells the story from the other side. And the story is trigger-happy youngsters cheering at having an unarmed, immobile protester shot a good distance away with children in the vicinity.
You join a 17k mob and start throwing bombs and rocks at soldier that HATE you - yeah - we know how that goes. It's time to stop being ignorant of of inevitable here. It's time to stop feeling bad everytime this happens.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Wait so all the Scots aren't drunk?
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Not really, what is shows that the Israeli policy is to shoot first and ask questions later. So its important to contextualize how this "stuff" occurs. That's important because the defence for shooting now is "well what do you expect when its 17k angry Palestinians". They don't shoot because its 17k angry Palestinians, they shoot because that's just the general culture in that armed force. Shooting is the go to response, which doesn't detract from the conversation, its used to frame the Israeli response in the current situation,
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Xenomancers wrote: You join a 17k mob and start throwing bombs and rocks at soldier that HATE you - yeah - we know how that goes. It's time to stop being ignorant of of inevitable here. It's time to stop feeling bad everytime this happens.
Its time to stop being ignorant and just acknowledge Israel is committing war crimes on a level no other army in the West would get away with. And yet here we are, with the West silently standing by watching Israeli apartheid play out. Israel only does this because we as the West let them. They would reign in these excesses so fast once the US and others stop pulling them out of the fire.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Not really, what is shows that the Israeli policy is to shoot first and ask questions later. So its important to contextualize how this "stuff" occurs. That's important because the defence for shooting now is "well what do you expect when its 17k angry Palestinians". They don't shoot because its 17k angry Palestinians, they shoot because that's just the general culture in that armed force. Shooting is the go to response, which doesn't detract from the conversation, its used to frame the Israeli response in the current situation,
How many incidents where the Palestinians are deliberately provoking the Israelis result in shootings? Instances like that video are in the minority, yet its being used in this thread to give the "context" that the IDF are out for Palestinian blood. Its grossly simplifying the Israeli stance, where if you want to give a proper image of the issue then we'd be seeing videos of all the times the Israelis didn't shoot. Again, its taking the minority and saying "oh, well some Israelis do stuff like this, so there's a pre-disposition for them to copy those acts", which is selling a false narrative (which unfortunately is the one which is overplayed whenever there's any discussion of that conflict).
Which ah, means I'll probably step out of this thread again as its just more of the typical anti-Israeli rhetoric.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Not really, what is shows that the Israeli policy is to shoot first and ask questions later. So its important to contextualize how this "stuff" occurs. That's important because the defence for shooting now is "well what do you expect when its 17k angry Palestinians". They don't shoot because its 17k angry Palestinians, they shoot because that's just the general culture in that armed force. Shooting is the go to response, which doesn't detract from the conversation, its used to frame the Israeli response in the current situation,
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Xenomancers wrote: You join a 17k mob and start throwing bombs and rocks at soldier that HATE you - yeah - we know how that goes. It's time to stop being ignorant of of inevitable here. It's time to stop feeling bad everytime this happens.
Its time to stop being ignorant and just acknowledge Israel is committing war crimes on a level no other army in the West would get away with. And yet here we are, with the West silently standing by watching Israeli apartheid play out. Israel only does this because we as the West let them. They would reign in these excesses so fast once the US and others stop pulling them out of the fire.
But they aren't the West.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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So - what should Isreal do when angry mobs throw petrol bombs at Isreali soldiers from the neutral zone of the Gaza/Israeli border? A border that Israel is 100% justified in defending? I'm pretty sure anywhere in the world I'd get shot for throwing explosive devises at armed soldiers.
Quote from the OP article
"The Palestinian side accused Israel of using disproportionate force. Tanks and snipers were deployed, and witnesses said a drone was used to drop tear gas in at least one location."
Uhh...Should they only be allowed to respond with proportionate force to what should be considered an invading army? I got a better idea - maybe Israeli soldiers should just let the maniacs throwing bombs through so they can go injure innocent civilians - that's probably the most "humane" thing to do right?
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
One could just as easily post videos of Palestinian terror attacks - bombings and stabbings.
Yeah great idea, equate the armed forces of what pretends to be a Western democracy with terrorists! That will get the message across!
Disciple of Fate wrote: This is going to go like it always goes, with the international community shrugging its shoulders and going "oh those Israelis/Palestinians".
Pretty excessive response for what so far should be more of a riot police situation.
As far as I'm concerned the damned UN should swoop in remove ALL people from Jerusalem and LEVEL the city with heavy ordnance until its nothing but a pile of pebble sized particles. These idiots have been fighting over this gak for 2000 years and it isn't even worth it. So I motion, if ya'll cant share it, then neither of you gets it.
You might as well level the entire region. Plenty of holy places to fight over even with Jerusalem gone.
Kingdom of heaven had it right.
Jerusalem is everything... And nothing.
Its value is what we make it. And we made it thr centre Point of over 2 billions peoples religion.
This is EXACTLY the reason I maintain it should be Law that all conflicts between peoples and nations are settled the same way:
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Not really, what is shows that the Israeli policy is to shoot first and ask questions later. So its important to contextualize how this "stuff" occurs. That's important because the defence for shooting now is "well what do you expect when its 17k angry Palestinians". They don't shoot because its 17k angry Palestinians, they shoot because that's just the general culture in that armed force. Shooting is the go to response, which doesn't detract from the conversation, its used to frame the Israeli response in the current situation,
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Xenomancers wrote: You join a 17k mob and start throwing bombs and rocks at soldier that HATE you - yeah - we know how that goes. It's time to stop being ignorant of of inevitable here. It's time to stop feeling bad everytime this happens.
Its time to stop being ignorant and just acknowledge Israel is committing war crimes on a level no other army in the West would get away with. And yet here we are, with the West silently standing by watching Israeli apartheid play out. Israel only does this because we as the West let them. They would reign in these excesses so fast once the US and others stop pulling them out of the fire.
But they aren't the West.
We have to admit. It's hard to apply western standards out there. Western nations be eaten alive out there, thr whole regions dynamics differ greatly.
We are used to a peaceful content for last 6-7 decades on most part.
Middle East has fought multiple bloody wars to the death, win or die, and there's a very different set of rules out there.
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FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Wyrmalla wrote: How many incidents where the Palestinians are deliberately provoking the Israelis result in shootings? Instances like that video are in the minority, yet its being used in this thread to give the "context" that the IDF are out for Palestinian blood. Its grossly simplifying the Israeli stance, where if you want to give a proper image of the issue then we'd be seeing videos of all the times the Israelis didn't shoot. Again, its taking the minority and saying "oh, well some Israelis do stuff like this, so there's a pre-disposition for them to copy those acts", which is selling a false narrative (which unfortunately is the one which is overplayed whenever there's any discussion of that conflict).
Which ah, means I'll probably step out of this thread again as its just more of the typical anti-Israeli rhetoric.
I'm not anti-Israeli. Palestinians do plenty of things wrong too. But my government just like many other Western governments actively support Israel regardless of what happens which I think is wrong. We expect countries to live up to certain international standards but then excuse Israel when it doesn't. When Hamas does bad things, yeah no surprise because its Hamas, but Israel is a signatory of the Geneva Convention and almost actively avoids curbing certain excesses. But their is a giant difference between how the two parties get treated by the West. Even though Hamas generally gets treated as it deserves.
I think at the end of the line that is what the problem boils down to. Israeli society is hardening, just look at how many supported the soldier executing an attacker. That is a gross violation of the laws Israel itself signed up to. You expect that sort of behaviour from the fanatics at Hamas. Yes, perhaps only a minority engages in it, but how often does that minority really get prosecuted for it? How many times is it just covered up or declared a good shoot? There is this undercurrent in Israeli society where people feel its acceptable to just ignore the laws of war, and as a conscript nation that is a very dangerous trend. Again, you expect this from Hamas. But we in the West and Israel itself have always tried to style Israel as an island of rationality in a sea of fanaticism. We have to hold both parties accountable for the crimes they commit.
The funny thing is, pro-Palestinians always say I'm pro-Israel and the pro-Israeli say I'm pro-Palestine No, I'm just pro equal standards in how the West conducts its international relations and I think Israel has been abusing the goodwill we have towards them for far too long. Sure, support Israel, but don't do so unconditionally.
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Xenomancers wrote: So - what should Isreal do when angry mobs throw petrol bombs at Isreali soldiers from the neutral zone of the Gaza/Israeli border? A border that Israel is 100% justified in defending? I'm pretty sure anywhere in the world I'd get shot for throwing explosive devises at armed soldiers.
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"The Palestinian side accused Israel of using disproportionate force. Tanks and snipers were deployed, and witnesses said a drone was used to drop tear gas in at least one location."
Uhh...Should they only be allowed to respond with proportionate force to what should be considered an invading army? I got a better idea - maybe Israeli soldiers should just let the maniacs throwing bombs through so they can go injure innocent civilians - that's probably the most "humane" thing to do right?
Is that a trick question, how can it be an invading army if Palestine does not exist according to Israel
You don't have to let them through, but you don't have to preemptively start shooting them before they even reach the fence. Yes, eventually you might have to shoot some. But if they were actually be trying to break through we would be talking about thousands of dead not dozens.
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Wyrmalla wrote: What's the relevance of this to the current issue? You could similarly post a load of stuff from the past century if you just want to show off one side doing things it shouldn't be. This just seems like you're trying to provoke anti-Israeli sentiments in this thread.
To be fair, its relevance to the thread is that it shows the attitudes in the Israeli army and government, which always tries to present itself as the the better party to the West. It also puts what Israel says about the protests in perspective.
It could be compared to having a discussion about one group protesting. Then someone posts a video of some of that group's supporters from years ago doing a bad thing. It happened sure, but did it happen during the current events? We're aware of stuff like that occurring, repeating it just detracts from the conversation and comes across as propaganda.
Like: here's a thread on the American Civil Rights movement, let's post a load of videos of black people committing violent acts from the past twenty years. Or here's a video on the Scottish Independence movement, here's all the videos of Scottish people being drunk. The Russians are bad! Here's a top ten of all the bad things Russians have done! And so on... Whilst then there being no counter videos of the other side doing similar actions, or rather even the side in the original video committing positive acts. Anything that can be done for OT not to be on the level of the Tabloid Press; though that's a losing battle.
Not really, what is shows that the Israeli policy is to shoot first and ask questions later. So its important to contextualize how this "stuff" occurs. That's important because the defence for shooting now is "well what do you expect when its 17k angry Palestinians". They don't shoot because its 17k angry Palestinians, they shoot because that's just the general culture in that armed force. Shooting is the go to response, which doesn't detract from the conversation, its used to frame the Israeli response in the current situation,
How many incidents where the Palestinians are deliberately provoking the Israelis result in shootings? Instances like that video are in the minority, yet its being used in this thread to give the "context" that the IDF are out for Palestinian blood. Its grossly simplifying the Israeli stance, where if you want to give a proper image of the issue then we'd be seeing videos of all the times the Israelis didn't shoot. Again, its taking the minority and saying "oh, well some Israelis do stuff like this, so there's a pre-disposition for them to copy those acts", which is selling a false narrative (which unfortunately is the one which is overplayed whenever there's any discussion of that conflict).
It would be a false narrative if didn't happen every few days.
Over the last 9 years (after Cast Lead) over 3.000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli security forces. Of those over 700 were minors and over 300 were women. Just slightly over 1.000 were known to be involved in violent exchanges, but over 1.600 were not. 53 were hit in targeted killings (and in the course of those operations 133 others died as well).
So even taking out those who were known to be involved in violent activities and the specifically targeted individuals you still have over 1.700, which is slightly more than one every two days. They're not isolated incidents.
Culturally, politically and economically they are very much part of the Western world.
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Culturally, politically and economically they are very much part of the Western world.
The only way Israel isn't part of "the West" is literally.
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Culturally, politically and economically they are very much part of the Western world.
Nope. It's just another country in the ME, and it's only democracy. When Syria is right next door gassing it's own people, SA is bombing Yemen, Turkey is attacking in the North, Iran is in the East, well my give a gak meter just isn't working.
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