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 Peregrine wrote:
Backfire wrote:
Above was not about the race or colour of the lead actor, but response to the idea that "James Bond" could be a generic codename for any British super-spy.


Then why did you make that post following a direct quote of me saying something very different?


Different how? You did not talk about the race in the post I quoted, so I assumed we were clear about what point was under discussion.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
And please, lets not bring up the tired argument that "oh but James Bond has been depicted so differently already". Yep, and those depictions which were too different tended to be flops. Not too many people think nowadays that comical Moore gadgetry Bonds were pinnacle of the character. And 'License to Kill' where Bond was modernized as generic '80s action hero fighting generic '80s drug lord villain is one of the low points of the franchise. Especially when contrasted to 'Die Hard' which had all new fresh character who became almost as iconic as Bond.


Much prefer Moore to the current snooze fest where its "Bourne" Bond and they ditch anything fun and plots lumbered around for so so long - like the 10 mph car chase in the last film. Bond has changed massively with the lead actors and what was popular.


Gadgets and comedy serve as a distraction to hide shortcomings of the story and characters. It's like "oh well, this sucks but lets add some funny bits so audience at least gets a chuckle every now and then so they walk away with at least some positive memories from the viewing". Particularly 'Moon Raker' and 'Man with the Golden Gun' were much in this vein.

On the opposite end, they can also distract from good bits. Best example is 'World is not enogh' which has one of the best Bond characterizations, great villains, good plot, good supporting cast...but way too many Bond cliche moments thrown in for cheap chuckle and maybe the worst 'Good Bond Girl' ever. It would have been better movie if they had just stuck with what was good, but they probably thought it was too dark.

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So bascially you feel Daniel Craig films are the only "real" Bond films? or the Connery ones as well?

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 Mr Morden wrote:
So bascially you feel Daniel Craig films are the only "real" Bond films? or the Connery ones as well?


I do not make such distinctions between 'eras' or actors as such. I do think that some of the movies ventured too far from original formula and weren't very good as a result, whilst some others stayed more 'tr00' but were lacking because of other reasons. Examples of the former would be Diamonds Are Forever, some of the Moore movies (particularly Moonraker), License to Kill and Die Another Day.

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Apologies to the Mods if this violates thread necromancy rules, but rather than start a new thread, I though I'd update this thread.

Shooting begins in April for the new Bond

But the working title is...Shatterhand

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/22/shatteredhand-james-bond-working-title

Already, I yearn for Quantum of Solace

and predictabley, people are wondering if Shatterhand is a film about Bond having a DIY accident whilst hammering in some nails

Seriously, though, it's a strange title to say the least...

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I saw somewhere (BBC, I think) that Shatterhand is an alias used by Blofeld in one of the novels, so that working title could be a hint at his return. Which I'd be down for, he was pretty great in Spectre.

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 Paradigm wrote:
I saw somewhere (BBC, I think) that Shatterhand is an alias used by Blofeld in one of the novels, so that working title could be a hint at his return. Which I'd be down for, he was pretty great in Spectre.



It was bad enough going into a cinema and asking for Quantum of Solace, or Question of Sport if you really wanted to be funny

but Shatterhand? I'll still watch it, but I've got my doubts.

I like Blofeld, but if it ain't Telly Savalas, I'm not really interested

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I don't understand the hate on Quantum of Solace.


A Quantum of Solace is like... a fragment of peace of mind.

And considering it was a more or less direct sequel to Casino Royal and by the end we saw Bond put that whole relationship from CR to bed it also made sense.


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Yeah, it makes sense when you think about it... I'm just glad they didn't put it in the song, because good luck trying to get good lyrics out of it... As far as I can tell, the only thing that rhymes with Solace is 'Wallace'...

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Also the girl gets peace when the guy who killed her family dies.

There are several quantums of solace in the movie.


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And a quantum of solace would be the literal smallest non-zero amount of solace possible to obtain.

So that also puts across the meaning that revenge is ultimately unsatisfying compared to the actual pain of the loss.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Apologies to the Mods if this violates thread necromancy rules, but rather than start a new thread, I though I'd update this thread.

Shooting begins in April for the new Bond

But the working title is...Shatterhand

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/22/shatteredhand-james-bond-working-title

Already, I yearn for Quantum of Solace

and predictabley, people are wondering if Shatterhand is a film about Bond having a DIY accident whilst hammering in some nails

Seriously, though, it's a strange title to say the least...


Shatterhand? As in Old Shatterhand? Damn, Craig must have really enjoyed his role in Cowboys vs. Aliens when he revisits the Western genre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBnRnYhnSQ4

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 Lance845 wrote:
I don't understand the hate on Quantum of Solace.


A Quantum of Solace is like... a fragment of peace of mind.

And considering it was a more or less direct sequel to Casino Royal and by the end we saw Bond put that whole relationship from CR to bed it also made sense.


for me it had a dismal main plot - laughable even compared to the much more fun and less "realistic" filsm with Roger Moore etc

Still it was not as bad as the next two films.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
I don't understand the hate on Quantum of Solace.


A Quantum of Solace is like... a fragment of peace of mind.

And considering it was a more or less direct sequel to Casino Royal and by the end we saw Bond put that whole relationship from CR to bed it also made sense.


for me it had a dismal main plot - laughable even compared to the much more fun and less "realistic" filsm with Roger Moore etc

Still it was not as bad as the next two films.


Remember that Quantum of Solace was made in the middle of the writers strike. The fact that it is what it is is nothing short of miraculous. By all reason it should be WAY worse.


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Quantum of Solace is a bizarre movie. It's far worse in your memory than in reality. I watch it maybe once every two years and always think "this isn't nearly as bad as I remember...". I think the killer is that the end of the movie is a bit blase. In my head though I think "Ugh! Quantum of Solace!", but in reality it's a decent 6/10 flick. It definitely doesn't disappoint as much as Spectre, but isn't as good as Skyfall/Casino Royale.

I'd probably go...

Casino Royale
Skyfall
Quantum of Solace
Spectre


 
   
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Its a shame that not everyone loved Spectre, that was the best bond film since the Pierce Brosnan days imo.

I did think the start was a bit bitty, chopping between different countries every five minutes. However, everything after bond gets to the clinic was just pure gold for me!
   
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 Kroem wrote:
Its a shame that not everyone loved Spectre, that was the best bond film since the Pierce Brosnan days imo.

I did think the start was a bit bitty, chopping between different countries every five minutes. However, everything after bond gets to the clinic was just pure gold for me!


I thought the Oh so very slow car chase was very very bad and the whole thing (including the lead) just looks tired compared to Mission Impossible but I like the old style Bond films more (or Moore)


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I think you've hit on a good point there.

Both the Bourne and Mission Impossible series have encroached on traditional Bond territory from different flanks.

Bourne has done the violence and betrayal, while MI has done the gadgets, stunts and exotic locations.

I think Bond still has an edge in terms of big set-pieces and some absolutely great locations.

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Bond follows all the trends and sets none.

The Craig era Bonds are a reaction to the first couple Bourne movies.


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They do occupy similar teritories, but is was presisely the bourneification of Casino Royale that I didn't like.
I think Bond should have more comedy than it does currently, but I'm still really looking forward to the next film.

I love that they are bringing back Dr Madeline Swann as she is insanely hot, and hopefully Batista makes a return perhaps with some mechanical enhancements!


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 Lance845 wrote:
Bond follows all the trends and sets none.

The Craig era Bonds are a reaction to the first couple Bourne movies.


I think that is true to a degree, but they are also in part a return to the low-tech original Bonds like Doctor No, when getting a new pistol was a big thing.

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I would bet money that when we get another Bond with a new actor it's going to be more like Mission Impossible. Almost guaranteed Bond will be climbing something crazy like a sky scrapper or a cliff.


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 Lance845 wrote:
I would bet money that when we get another Bond with a new actor it's going to be more like Mission Impossible. Almost guaranteed Bond will be climbing something crazy like a sky scrapper or a cliff.


We can but hope - someone with a bit of life and energy - same with the Director and writters

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As always, apologies to the Mods for possible thread necromancy. But wh start a new thread?

Anyway, it looks like the cast is confirmed, with Rami Malek the new villain. I admit to not knowing much about him, but it's Bond, so I'm watching it anyway!

Let's hope it's not another Quantum of Solace

Bond 25. There are hints that there will be one or two Easter eggs in there from previous films.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Anyway, it looks like the cast is confirmed, with Rami Malek the new villain. I admit to not knowing much about him, but it's Bond, so I'm watching it anyway!


Ooh, it would be fun if Rami was reprising his Freddie Mercury role in a Bond film. . . how fun would it be if Queen were the villain against The Queen??
   
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I'm now envisioning Freddie Mercury as Goldfinger.

Bond, strapped to the table. "I expect you think I will talk."

Mercury Finger. "No Luv, I expect you to die."

It..works!

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Let's can this Freddie Mercury talk. It's a Bond film - let's give it some respect

Explosions, fast cars, guns, and gadgets, are the priority here.

There is talk of bringing in some comedian to write some dialogue.

Could go either way.

As much as I like the Roger Moore films, we've already got half a dozen of them. Let's keep the 1970s where it belongs - in the 1970s

In saying that, Sheriff JW Pepper of the Louisiana Police is always welcome

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The "some comedian" is Phoebe Waller Bridge, who this far has shown herself to be a pretty adept writer (she's writes and stars in Fleabag.) She's also the voice of L3-37 in Solo, but pobody's nerfect.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
The "some comedian" is Phoebe Waller Bridge, who this far has shown herself to be a pretty adept writer (she's writes and stars in Fleabag.) She's also the voice of L3-37 in Solo, but pobody's nerfect.


Yeah, I've been doing some serious research into Bridge's career (Wikipedia ) and she has a track record of success. I've never watched any of the stuff she's been in or written, or even heard of her until now, so I have no idea if it's any good. If it pays off, I'll be the first to say well done to everybody.

In my experience, and IMO, two many cooks spoil the broth. There should never be more than two people writing a script, and if there's anymore, you end up with a script by committee or a Pirates of the Caribbean film.

In saying that, it's a Bond film, we all know the formula. In theory, it should be hard to feth up.


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I just don't want to end up with another Quantum. I don't care if it's a certain North Korean who writes it. I just want a decent film I can go and watch at the cinema.

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Like Star Trek films, every other Bond film is good. Last one sucked, so we're due for good if that holds true.

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