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If the old fluff wasn't good I'd certainly take a look.

Sorry for not posting this on the appropriate board but figured its semi relevant and would get more views here. Me and my buddy have started massively missing ranked warfare fantasy and would like to het back into it. We've narrowed it down to three options (though others would be happily taken on board). Fantasy 6th ravening horses lists, current lotr or kings of war. Does lotr have many current gw style rules or is it more old school? Am more aware of the other two but haven't played any kings of war despite reading through the rules.


As for this thread and why I am switching from current 3
40k and aos. Lore, gameplay, factions, models, high elves. Much rose tinted glasses but I do feel modern gw games are overly gaming and lacking in depth.

Lotr is not rank and flank its skirmish. The rules are a lot tighter and the balance better but the community is about 20% that of aos.

I miss Tilea, and all the other non Empire human nations.

Guess Ranges

Bretonnia all around (although I never had a chance to play them)

Character vs Character combats

Fluff

I jumped over to KoW back when it was in open beta. I've been playing WFB since the time of Battle Masters, so quite some time. 8th edition was the worst, the changes made to the game were just ploys to sell more. I'm not adverse to buying miniatures to gather a larger force, but when the game switched to 'Horde' mode, it was obvious what they wanted.

I miss the lore and background, the models, and the setting. But jumping over to KoW has allowed me to keep my love for rank and file combat. KoW was what 8th edition should have been.

Now with the abundance of fantastic fantasy plastic miniatures I don't need to look at GW for my main source of fantasy.

Oathmark,
Northstar,
Fireforge,
Perry miniatures,
Mantic

We are living in a great time, and I highly recommend people take advantage of it.

I miss all the great street-level fiction that took place between battles. All the adventuring that took place by normal mundane people being heroes, rather than demigods travelling over sweeping fantastical scenes.

Things like the Luthor Huss book. Or the Bounty Hunter series.

Really there is nothing wrong with getting the mass battles feel by just using KoW rules to have battles in the Old World. It removes all the problematic issues of having GW-developed rules, but keeps the great setting. I have never understood why people said the Old World was small and enclosed. Versus the infinite Realms, yes. But just the Border Princes were the size of whole countries in Europe. The Great Forest is larger than Germany.

You could have an entire dozen-player campaign set in a 50 by 100 mile slice of the middle of nowhere, with no impact on the Empire at large.

My first exposure to Warhammer was when fantasy roleplay was released way back when. I miss the Old World. The setting was one I truly enjoyed. I also miss the more in-depth rules of previous editions...not so much that I want to shelf my new, impressive models and go back to an older ruleset though. I do think that AoS has potential, just needs to have the background properly fleshed out and some of the fluff toned down a bit. I know it's supposed to be a setting where everything is infused with magic but some things just get silly.

 Gridge wrote:
My first exposure to Warhammer was when fantasy roleplay was released way back when. I miss the Old World. The setting was one I truly enjoyed. I also miss the more in-depth rules of previous editions...not so much that I want to shelf my new, impressive models and go back to an older ruleset though. I do think that AoS has potential, just needs to have the background properly fleshed out and some of the fluff toned down a bit. I know it's supposed to be a setting where everything is infused with magic but some things just get silly.

Very much sympathise with this.

Am quietly excited about this 'Warhammer: The Old World' concept...

Although I'm also looking at perhaps actually dipping my toe into AoS.

 Darian Aarush wrote:

 Gridge wrote:
My first exposure to Warhammer was when fantasy roleplay was released way back when. I miss the Old World. The setting was one I truly enjoyed. I also miss the more in-depth rules of previous editions...not so much that I want to shelf my new, impressive models and go back to an older ruleset though. I do think that AoS has potential, just needs to have the background properly fleshed out and some of the fluff toned down a bit. I know it's supposed to be a setting where everything is infused with magic but some things just get silly.

Very much sympathise with this.

Am quietly excited about this 'Warhammer: The Old World' concept...

Although I'm also looking at perhaps actually dipping my toe into AoS.

Yeah, no reason not to dip into AoS. The Old World stuff is 2-3 years in the future. But our gaming is done in the here & now....

I miss the resource management that the magic system had. I hope they bring it back to AoS because this game is currently solid but too simple.