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Charging Wild Rider





If you don't mind, I do have a few questions and comments about this project, as I will have to admit reading through this thread has left me somewhat confused in some respects.

I know scale has come up several times already, and I guess it's the endless issue of inter-range compatibility. The Kickstarter front page now states "The Amazons, Scythians and Satyrs will be bigger then a Victrix model. Closer to 32mm in size, eye to feet.", but why are no scale shots provided with these relevant points of comparison? A picture next to a GW Stormvermin may be somewhat relevant for the bestial figures (actual Beastmen more so), but how that in turn translates to a comparison with an ordinary human is difficult to deduct. Most prominently Victrix' Persians or Greeks, Warlord Games' Greeks (formerly from Immortal Miniatures) or Macedonians, or Wargames Atlantic's Persians; that's information I'd be far more interested in. Even if the figures are taller, it's impossible to decide whether this would be particularly noticeable/problematic without pictures, and whether e.g. head- or weapon swaps are still possible judging by the proportions of said models. It's not helped that the Kickstarter title states the models are 28mm scale, while the second line of the project then states they are 32mm and equates this to "heroic 28mm", which in my understanding is a different thing entirely (28mm heroic still has models 28mm tall, but with proportionally larger heads, hands and weapons. 32mm just means... slightly larger everything).

Speaking of, am I correct in thinking the mounted Scythian displayed is the same one that, based on the quote below, has the wrongly sized head? It's not stated anywhere on the Kickstarter main page, and I only found out by reading through this thread.
rgdgaming wrote:
Tried true 28mm at first, didn't look right. So the 32mm bump made for the better move.

I only remarked on that head because I intermixed the heads from the 28 and 32 from the prints. Downside, head is small in that pic, upside, the rest of it is fairly solid. [...]

Heads will be fine on release. We would do a final check with files all in place.


Additionally, there are some disparities between the descriptions of the pledge levels - for example, those in the side bar say the $20 Scythian box includes 32 models, while the text clarifies there is a shared Scythian/Amazon sprue and this same box would contain 64 models. In fact Amazons are only mentioned in the "Revised Progression Tier". I guess this has something to do with changes made during the campaign (and maybe Kickstarter doesn't allow the original terms to be altered? At least I can imagine that making sense), but it's not the clearest regardless.

Since you are clearly happy to communicate directly with people on forums, as an added note I'd recommend advertising (future) products on Lead Adventure Forum too - especially those with a historical or mythological topic would be well at home there, reaching some customers not found on Dakka: https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?board=64.0 I first learned of the product there, but doubts about the scale raised in that thread put me off, and only the discussion here has somewhat clarified that the scale changed over the course of the project and that the somewhat small-headed horseman was not indicative of the final product.

Finally, as a prospective customer, I have to say I'm typically wary of Kickstarters that hope to offer completely new products beyond a certain threshold level (outside of the actual main KS goal). If I want mounted Scythians, it's a lot easier to get involved when those are either part of the main campaign, or a separate Kickstarter entirely. As an unlockable goal, this will either keep me away until they were unlocked, or get me involved early in the hope of seeing them unlocked, and then wanting out again if the goal is never reached. It's a situation that doesn't seem beneficial to either the customer or the seller.
   
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Went over this with Marcus a bit ago, I had made a mistake on the head of the scythian horse. The head there was using a 28mm head on a 32mm frame body. A goof on my part. We were going up from 28mm in height to 32 because the size for the Amazons were going to be puny, and in the process of sending off for painting made the mistake of grabbing a nearly sized head (my expense). Just means we need to take all the files, proportionally make sure its the consistent 32, print again and check. Despite the short coming it was a decent prototype to discuss it. Likely wont be able to do the horse at the present, though the files will still be available (that had it's own merit to show nonetheless).

We could probably communicate that point better. I am just trying to get at the point that they would have a bigger mass then a smaller mass. I associate the victrix 28mm height, with a proportionally smaller body compared to that of a model that tends to be in the 32mm range. It would be a big difference. Heroic bumps are an attempt to make it appear more impressive on the table top.

Scythian box is 64, 32 minis of each for 64 in total. Hasn't changed. Raised that to make sure people werent feeling cheated for the combined mold.If its the progression tier, I can't change the terms once a backer is in, the revised should have it. The main story page is editable to the last day.







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