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 Sersi wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Snipers on Jetbikes just seem like a daft concept, and seeing as the Eldar range is in dire need of replacing the Finecast stuff, seems like a missed opportunity. Oh well, hopefully GW have replaced the fine cast stuff and are keeping it for a later reveal.

The models are the usual top notch we've come to expect from GW.

Snipers on Jetbikes is actually a brilliant concept once you realize they wouldn't be using those bike when acting a snipers, the bike are just light transport to get them in position. In game it makes since as they can rapidly move up a flank and into cover to get side shots at their intended targets. They make perfect sense lore wise.

In a theoretical way, sure, they're perfectly reasonable as dismounted infantry.

In game, though, that isn't what they do. They zoom around and take potshots wildly while the rider goes zappy with the scatter laser.
If they're operating the way you describe, they're just... standard rangers on foot with a special deployment rule.

 Togusa wrote:
Sort of like "All Eldar Craftworlds train Rangers, but the Alaitoc train them the best" That's what I would prefer.

Give us a new disruption table to (ab)use!

The Eldar models all look excellent to me; as do the Chosen and Warpsmith. I won't buying the box though, I'll just pick up the Chosen and Warpsmith on ebay.


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Voss wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Snipers on Jetbikes just seem like a daft concept, and seeing as the Eldar range is in dire need of replacing the Finecast stuff, seems like a missed opportunity. Oh well, hopefully GW have replaced the fine cast stuff and are keeping it for a later reveal.

The models are the usual top notch we've come to expect from GW.

Snipers on Jetbikes is actually a brilliant concept once you realize they wouldn't be using those bike when acting a snipers, the bike are just light transport to get them in position. In game it makes since as they can rapidly move up a flank and into cover to get side shots at their intended targets. They make perfect sense lore wise.

In a theoretical way, sure, they're perfectly reasonable as dismounted infantry.

In game, though, that isn't what they do. They zoom around and take potshots wildly while the rider goes zappy with the scatter laser.
If they're operating the way you describe, they're just... standard rangers on foot with a special deployment rule.

Yes, which is what actual snipers are, rather than a light mechanized AT unit. We haven't seen the rules yet so it could go either way. But point taken. The former would be as silly as space marine bikes somehow: steering over and around terrain and obstacles, while aiming and shooting twin-bolters, one handed all while cleaving enemies with a chainsword. Unless of course they have the in universe skills to pull it off.

One of the Shroud Runner models is literally in a firing pose.

C'mon...

 Sersi wrote:

Yes, which is what actual snipers are, rather than a light mechanized AT unit. We haven't seen the rules yet so it could go either way.

How would it 'go either way?' These are the models, there isn't a dismounted version, they aren't abstracted in any fashion. They're a bike unit with scatter lasers and a passenger with a sniper rifle. They'll move at eldar jetbike speeds and shoot from the LOS of their flying stands. That's... all there is.

 Sersi wrote:
The Eldar models all look excellent to me; as do the Chosen and Warpsmith. I won't buying the box though, I'll just pick up the Chosen and Warpsmith on ebay.


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Voss wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Snipers on Jetbikes just seem like a daft concept, and seeing as the Eldar range is in dire need of replacing the Finecast stuff, seems like a missed opportunity. Oh well, hopefully GW have replaced the fine cast stuff and are keeping it for a later reveal.

The models are the usual top notch we've come to expect from GW.

Snipers on Jetbikes is actually a brilliant concept once you realize they wouldn't be using those bike when acting a snipers, the bike are just light transport to get them in position. In game it makes since as they can rapidly move up a flank and into cover to get side shots at their intended targets. They make perfect sense lore wise.

In a theoretical way, sure, they're perfectly reasonable as dismounted infantry.

In game, though, that isn't what they do. They zoom around and take potshots wildly while the rider goes zappy with the scatter laser.
If they're operating the way you describe, they're just... standard rangers on foot with a special deployment rule.

Yes, which is what actual snipers are, rather than a light mechanized AT unit. We haven't seen the rules yet so it could go either way. But point taken. The former would be as silly as space marine bikes somehow: steering over and around terrain and obstacles, while aiming and shooting twin-bolters, one handed all while cleaving enemies with a chainsword. Unless of course they have the in universe skills to pull it off.

We have, we need confirmation, but the name was correct... and the loadout too.


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So, as Voss has put it "In game, though, that isn't what they do. They zoom around and take potshots wildly while the rider goes zappy with the scatter laser".

 Sersi wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
'My chameleon cloak will surely keep me obscured while I'm riding around on this bright red jetbike!'

Logically, the bikes are there to quickly get them into and out of ambush positions. It's a small light vehicle that's all terrain by it very nature. They land conceal the bikes and then crawl forward to a shooting position where their chameleon cloaks are very effective. Then once they take their shots they fall back to the bikes and withdraw.

"Logically" they are probably shooting from miles away (off table) so crawling forward into range is not really neccesary? Pretty sure its already in the Dark Eldar lore about similar feats of shooting skill

I think it fits with the Eldar style - although I would not be suprised if we get a primaris version at some point

tneva82 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Guys, it's a game that has space magic. Let's dispense with the realism arguments, if you want that go to the Historical Wargaming threads.

So anyways, I've been wanting Eldar for a long time. I need to see more new models first, but this is a good start. I'll probably wait until the individual kits come out, I don't want a box set.

Chosen are welcome, I've been wanting some for years now for my BL.

Funny thing is realism and magic don't have to be self excludieng. It just requires professional doing it. Too bad gw doesn't hire pro's

I guess, I do not spend any time having discussions about the real world physics related to space elves and space orcs.

 Togusa wrote:

I guess, I do not spend any time having discussions about the real world physics related to space elves and space orcs.

Probably a good idea. Space elves are advanced enough that their tech seems like magic that ignores it and the space orks can literally ignore it through amalgamated psychic power. Humans are still screwed by it though!

Well, I kinda psyched myself up about this being an Emp Children release but just more (admittedly cool) Black Legion and some (also admittedly cool) Eldar are not Must Buys for me ... so I finally ordered Red Harvest instead lol ...

 Manchu wrote:
Well, I kinda psyched myself up about this being an Emp Children release but just more (admittedly cool) Black Legion and some (also admittedly cool) Eldar are not Must Buys for me ... so I finally ordered Red Harvest instead lol ...

Me too I totally thought something was happening when he crushed the soulstone in the sneak peek trailer but I am 100% happy with the new BL stuff and Eldar it is going on my to buy list

 Manchu wrote:
Well, I kinda psyched myself up about this being an Emp Children release but just more (admittedly cool) Black Legion and some (also admittedly cool) Eldar are not Must Buys for me ... so I finally ordered Red Harvest instead lol ...

Bah ! With enough vibrant pink those chosen will become nice sons of Fulgrim

More seriously, the Chosen and especially the Warpsmith look nicely generic. A few Hedonite bits and they'll be perfect !

 warboss wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

I guess, I do not spend any time having discussions about the real world physics related to space elves and space orcs.

Probably a good idea. Space elves are advanced enough that their tech seems like magic that ignores it and the space orks can literally ignore it through amalgamated psychic power. Humans are still screwed by it though!

I was hoping for a bit more on the Eldar side of things, akin to what we saw with the Necrons, it sounds like that's still possible, though it obviously won't be coming at once. Gives me time to prepare more though, which will be good.