Armor of Contempt is an overall nerf for Sister's of Battle.

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**Matt.Kingsley**

stratigo wrote:
Custodes nerfs killed custodes best builds stone dead. Like utterly. No one is playing the bikes and maybe a dreadnought with trajan now.

Use more repentia.

I can't help but feel that saying "use more repentia [instead of sacrosancts]" - a unit that doesn't benefit from AoC at all outside of a single edge case (Against AP-1 while in cover and their Invulnerable save has been turned off) - while arguing Sisters are the biggest beneficiaries of AoC and that it alone makes Sisters the 3rd best army in the game is a bit incogruent.

**SemperMortis**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
stratigo wrote:
Custodes nerfs killed custodes best builds stone dead. Like utterly. No one is playing the bikes and maybe a dreadnought with trajan now.

Use more repentia.

I can't help but feel that saying "use more repentia [instead of sacrosancts]" - a unit that doesn't benefit from AoC at all outside of a single edge case (Against AP-1 while in cover and their Invulnerable save has been turned off) - while arguing Sisters are the biggest beneficiaries of AoC and that it alone makes Sisters the 3rd best army in the game is a bit incogruent.

I honestly disagree with those guys, I don't think sisters are hte biggest beneficiaries, but I think it definitely was a major buff for them. I believe based on the 1st weekend results that Grey Knights are in fact the biggest beneficiaries but its still too early to call so we will see

**stratigo**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
stratigo wrote:
Custodes nerfs killed custodes best builds stone dead. Like utterly. No one is playing the bikes and maybe a dreadnought with trajan now.

Use more repentia.

I can't help but feel that saying "use more repentia [instead of sacrosancts]" - a unit that doesn't benefit from AoC at all outside of a single edge case (Against AP-1 while in cover and their Invulnerable save has been turned off) - while arguing Sisters are the biggest beneficiaries of AoC and that it alone makes Sisters the 3rd best army in the game is a bit incogruent.

Repentia are very strong into AoC. And Sisters pack in a bunch of meltas.

Sisters have a very strong subfaction to lean on.

And the tier list is: Tyranids (BIG GAP) Craftworlds (Gap) sisters, greyknights, et cetera. The A rank was all very close to each other.

**Amishprn86**

Karol wrote:
Amishprn86 wrote:

Who cares about old lists, so much of the game just changed you can not look at old rules, Indirect nerfs, Tau nerfs, Custodes nerfs, and most of Sisters got a defense buffs. Stop living in the past and look at what you can do now in the new metas.

Have you seen the rules for tyranids. Tau nerfs don't kill their best builds, same with custodes. GK post the brotherhood nerf got worse, but still played the same list -1GM NDK and just one brotherhood. Having sacrosancts nerfed is as if suddenly both venoms and raiders became really bad option, but instead the shades got -1Ld to opponent if the fight happens to be in cover. GW is full of examples of armies where the core unit gets nerfed, like for example the shield drone durning 8th to 9th transition, and suddenly tau go from strong, but annoying to worse army in the game. And you can tell player to try out other stuff shield drone for month, and somehow they don't find a proper way to play tau. A substential nerf to the army is not balanced by a buff to something bad.

Nids will be nerf, stop looking at 1-3 month FOMO 9th lists and wait for the nerfs. And never said the nerfs killed any builds, said Indirect got worst and put Tau/Custodes more in line with what they should be, you know not 65%+ win rates.

**Lammia**

stratigo wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
stratigo wrote:
Custodes nerfs killed custodes best builds stone dead. Like utterly. No one is playing the bikes and maybe a dreadnought with trajan now.

Use more repentia.

I can't help but feel that saying "use more repentia [instead of sacrosancts]" - a unit that doesn't benefit from AoC at all outside of a single edge case (Against AP-1 while in cover and their Invulnerable save has been turned off) - while arguing Sisters are the biggest beneficiaries of AoC and that it alone makes Sisters the 3rd best army in the game is a bit incogruent.

Repentia are very strong into AoC. And Sisters pack in a bunch of meltas.

Sisters have a very strong subfaction to lean on.

And the tier list is: Tyranids (BIG GAP) Craftworlds (Gap) sisters, greyknights, et cetera. The A rank was all very close to each other.

Repentia were a somewhat obsolete meta and AoC doesn't help them...

**Daedalus81**

Repentia knock out heavier armor with a large number of medium-high AP attacks at D2 well was the point, I think...and their ride got slightly tougher.

Certainly not the biggest beneficiary, but not useless either.

**PenitentJake**

Yeah, I think the unit that benefits the most is Zephyrim.

It isn't just AoC; the Miracle dice change makes it far more likely that they complete charges.

It's interesting to me, because I always used to just go with repentia (I mean, my forum name is PenitentJake for a reason).

But now, I feel like I can mix it up a little and try a new trick.