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Vatsetis wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
Well some people collect old functional cars and dont know how to drive them and actually pay others to drive them so they dont break down.

Some people eat a lot of food but dont digest them and rather vomit it.

Some people drink alcohol in unhealthy cuantities far beyond the point it might provide them some pleasure.

Surely if someone point out to this people that they were not ussing their cars or food or drinks in a sensible manner they would be pissed off and cry some nonsense about their "personal freedom and property". :(

wtf kinda point are you even trying to make here?

Its pretty clear... That cars are ment to be driven, food is ment to be diggested, alcohol should be consumed with moderation and 40k miniatures are designed with painting in mind... And that the people that dont grasp this very simple facts are somewhat non functional.

That has to be among the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum.

Your poll describes absolutely nobody an is pure bait. Absolutely nobody is "vehemently against painting" some people just don't have the time or don't want to invest the time. Some just don't want to do it and are happy with their grey models which they have built. And guess what? That's totally fine because it's their property and they can do with it as they please.

The only thing anyone objects to here is if people who don't want to paint get called lazy, trolls or non-functional. That's it, how is that so difficult to grasp?

Being unable to do something as intended/design is the definition of non-functional.

EG: being unable to drink alcohol without getting drunk.

There might be very good reasons for not being able to paint your armies but its certainly not something to be proud of. Its a non functional element of your 40K hobby that needs to be solved not denied.

Saying "my personal life is very hard, therefore I need to get drunk to go along, respect my personal choices" is not very sensible, but neither is saying "I have nor spare time, nor money, therefore I cannot afford to paint my 40K minis, respect my personal choices".

I think this is where some people in here dont understand, its NOT part of THEIR hobby its part of YOUR hobby. A Hobby is not bound by laws, it is what EACH PERSON makes it out to be. If a person doesn't want to paint then its not part of their Hobby, thats how hobbies work.

Answering Tiberias:

So, should people be prevented to get drunk if they want to?

Isnt getting drunk part of someone personal freedom just like painting or not their 40K minis?

Most of the times when people get drunk they dont harm anyone, you have some serious prejudice against drunkness. :(

Vatsetis wrote:
So, should people be prevented to get drunk if they want to?

Isnt getting drunk part of someone personal freedom just like painting or not their 40K minis?

Most of the times when people get drunk they dont harm anyone, you have some serious prejudice against drunkness. :(

WTF does this have to do with anything?

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
Well some people collect old functional cars and dont know how to drive them and actually pay others to drive them so they dont break down.

Some people eat a lot of food but dont digest them and rather vomit it.

Some people drink alcohol in unhealthy cuantities far beyond the point it might provide them some pleasure.

Surely if someone point out to this people that they were not ussing their cars or food or drinks in a sensible manner they would be pissed off and cry some nonsense about their "personal freedom and property". :(

wtf kinda point are you even trying to make here?

Its pretty clear... That cars are ment to be driven, food is ment to be diggested, alcohol should be consumed with moderation and 40k miniatures are designed with painting in mind... And that the people that dont grasp this very simple facts are somewhat non functional.

That has to be among the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum.

Your poll describes absolutely nobody an is pure bait. Absolutely nobody is "vehemently against painting" some people just don't have the time or don't want to invest the time. Some just don't want to do it and are happy with their grey models which they have built. And guess what? That's totally fine because it's their property and they can do with it as they please.

The only thing anyone objects to here is if people who don't want to paint get called lazy, trolls or non-functional. That's it, how is that so difficult to grasp?

Being unable to do something as intended/design is the definition of non-functional.

EG: being unable to drink alcohol without getting drunk.

There might be very good reasons for not being able to paint your armies but its certainly not something to be proud of. Its a non functional element of your 40K hobby that needs to be solved not denied.

Saying "my personal life is very hard, therefore I need to get drunk to go along, respect my personal choices" is not very sensible, but neither is saying "I have nor spare time, nor money, therefore I cannot afford to paint my 40K minis, respect my personal choices".

I think this is where some people in here dont understand, its NOT part of THEIR hobby its part of YOUR hobby. A Hobby is not bound by laws, it is what EACH PERSON makes it out to be. If a person doesn't want to paint then its not part of their Hobby, thats how hobbies work.

Then if their hobby is a self contained activity with no social implications whatsoever, why do people get so mad about what a random guy of the internet say about their sovereign hobby?


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Slipspace wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
So, should people be prevented to get drunk if they want to?

Isnt getting drunk part of someone personal freedom just like painting or not their 40K minis?

Most of the times when people get drunk they dont harm anyone, you have some serious prejudice against drunkness. :(

WTF does this have to do with anything?

Well getting my point is that getting drunk and not painting minis are, most of the time, non harmful activities, thats why my analogy is valid.

Vatsetis wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
Well some people collect old functional cars and dont know how to drive them and actually pay others to drive them so they dont break down.

Some people eat a lot of food but dont digest them and rather vomit it.

Some people drink alcohol in unhealthy cuantities far beyond the point it might provide them some pleasure.

Surely if someone point out to this people that they were not ussing their cars or food or drinks in a sensible manner they would be pissed off and cry some nonsense about their "personal freedom and property". :(

wtf kinda point are you even trying to make here?

Its pretty clear... That cars are ment to be driven, food is ment to be diggested, alcohol should be consumed with moderation and 40k miniatures are designed with painting in mind... And that the people that dont grasp this very simple facts are somewhat non functional.

That has to be among the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum.

Your poll describes absolutely nobody an is pure bait. Absolutely nobody is "vehemently against painting" some people just don't have the time or don't want to invest the time. Some just don't want to do it and are happy with their grey models which they have built. And guess what? That's totally fine because it's their property and they can do with it as they please.

The only thing anyone objects to here is if people who don't want to paint get called lazy, trolls or non-functional. That's it, how is that so difficult to grasp?

Being unable to do something as intended/design is the definition of non-functional.

EG: being unable to drink alcohol without getting drunk.

There might be very good reasons for not being able to paint your armies but its certainly not something to be proud of. Its a non functional element of your 40K hobby that needs to be solved not denied.

Saying "my personal life is very hard, therefore I need to get drunk to go along, respect my personal choices" is not very sensible, but neither is saying "I have nor spare time, nor money, therefore I cannot afford to paint my 40K minis, respect my personal choices".

I think this is where some people in here dont understand, its NOT part of THEIR hobby its part of YOUR hobby. A Hobby is not bound by laws, it is what EACH PERSON makes it out to be. If a person doesn't want to paint then its not part of their Hobby, thats how hobbies work.

Then if their hobby is a self contained activity with no social implications whatsoever, why do people get so mad about what a random guy of the internet say about their sovereign hobby?

Bc people feel attacked for some reason.... maybe starting a topic literally attacking people that dont want to paint is not a healthy way to have a conversation.... The freaking top 3 questions to the poll are literally trollish attacking questions for crying out loud, yeah people are going to be more aggressive when you start out like that.

So if you believe a poll/thread is a troll trap, shouldnt you just ignore it rather than feed it with further posts?

Have we go back in time to the 2000´s?

PD: poll is about to reach 100 results, thanks to everybody that participated.

Vatsetis wrote:
So if you believe a poll/thread is a troll trap, shouldnt you just ignore it rather than feed it with further posts?

Have we go back in time to the 2000´s?

PD: poll is about to reach 100 results, thanks to everybody that participated.

Why make a troll post to start with? You are the one trolling, I just want to feed and see how fat you get. Why dont you stop? lol.

All this talk about aestethics makes me remember that I've actually seen painted armies that made me wish that they weren't painted. The paint jobs were so bad that, in my opinion, that it would have been better to bring the models in unpainted.

Also in regards to painted is better than unpainted- I guess that means that the Venus di Milo would like nicer if someone painted it say Ultramarines blue rather than leaving it in its current unpainted state. Or, how about painting the Eiffel Tower a wonderful Neon Pink. People can enjoy models in their natural, unpainted, state. Maybe that's enough to satisfy them and since it's their property that's all thats important.

Vatsetis wrote:
So if you believe a poll/thread is a troll trap, shouldnt you just ignore it rather than feed it with further posts?

Have we go back in time to the 2000´s?

PD: poll is about to reach 100 results, thanks to everybody that participated.

It's a discussion board. People will discuss aspects of a topic they feel need discussing. This can include criticism of a poll or topics directly related to the poll, without ever responding to the poll itself.

Vatsetis wrote:
So if you believe a poll/thread is a troll trap, shouldnt you just ignore it rather than feed it with further posts?

Have we go back in time to the 2000´s?

PD: poll is about to reach 100 results, thanks to everybody that participated.

So let me get this straight. You write a bunch of nonsense like actually comparing not painting your minis to being a drunkard, you make a nonsensical poll and when people start calling you out on your utter BS you revert back to the old "well, you can just ignore my post if you don't like it"....nobody is ever going to take you seriously again on this forum and rightly so.

Tiberias wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
So if you believe a poll/thread is a troll trap, shouldnt you just ignore it rather than feed it with further posts?

Have we go back in time to the 2000´s?

PD: poll is about to reach 100 results, thanks to everybody that participated.

So let me get this straight. You write a bunch of nonsense like actually comparing not painting your minis to being a drunkard, you make a nonsensical poll and when people start calling you out on your utter BS you revert back to the old "well, you can just ignore my post if you don't like it"....nobody is ever going to take you seriously again on this forum and rightly so.

I already did stop taking them seriously, this thread just confirms it.

I have no idea why the mods are letting this kind of thread continue to exist. It's clearly inflammatory and non-productive.

Vatsetis wrote:
Answering Tiberias:

So, should people be prevented to get drunk if they want to?

Isnt getting drunk part of someone personal freedom just like painting or not their 40K minis?

Most of the times when people get drunk they dont harm anyone, you have some serious prejudice against drunkness. :(

Yes, drinking alcohol is a personal freedom. But if painting miniatures and drinking alcohol is the same activity to you in regards to how much harm it can do and how it can affect other people, then you might have a seriously unhealthy and irresponsible relationship towards alcohol buddy.

You equating these two activities is dishonest in just about any context let alone this discussion.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:


Also in regards to painted is better than unpainted- I guess that means that the Venus di Milo would like nicer if someone painted it say Ultramarines blue rather than leaving it in its current unpainted state. Or, how about painting the Eiffel Tower a wonderful Neon Pink. People can enjoy models in their natural, unpainted, state. Maybe that's enough to satisfy them and since it's their property that's all thats important.

False analogies are false.

Also, Greek statues were painted.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
All this talk about aestethics makes me remember that I've actually seen painted armies that made me wish that they weren't painted. The paint jobs were so bad that, in my opinion, that it would have been better to bring the models in unpainted.

Also in regards to painted is better than unpainted- I guess that means that the Venus di Milo would like nicer if someone painted it say Ultramarines blue rather than leaving it in its current unpainted state. Or, how about painting the Eiffel Tower a wonderful Neon Pink. People can enjoy models in their natural, unpainted, state. Maybe that's enough to satisfy them and since it's their property that's all thats important.

Most classical marble statues were originally painted... the "bare stone" aesthetic is a result of subsecuent copies and the pass of time.

Also if the Eiffel tower wasnt painted it will suffer heavily due to corrosion.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

I have no idea why the mods are letting this kind of thread continue to exist. It's clearly inflammatory and non-productive.

honestly, it seems like the mods have been asleep for the last couple of months. so many threads last way longer than they should where they become 2-3 posters slinging gak at each other. I remember when these threads used to be nipped in the bud not that long ago....

At this point I'm pretty sure its a troll account looking at this history.

Tiberias wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
Answering Tiberias:

So, should people be prevented to get drunk if they want to?

Isnt getting drunk part of someone personal freedom just like painting or not their 40K minis?

Most of the times when people get drunk they dont harm anyone, you have some serious prejudice against drunkness. :(

Yes, drinking alcohol is a personal freedom. But if painting miniatures and drinking alcohol is the same activity to you in regards to how much harm it can do and how it can affect other people, then you might have a seriously unhealthy and irresponsible relationship towards alcohol buddy.

You equating these two activities is dishonest in just about any context let alone this discussion.

I hardly drink nowdays and have been drunk perhaps three of four times in my lifetime. Im not a particularly good or quick mini painter, but I do my best to improve.

Im not dishonest, and Im not a troll... perhaps Im just putting forward my POV in a challenging manner like Socrates or Jesus of Nazareth did in the past, both of which suffer severe backclash during their lifetimes but were sort of vindicated by history.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I have no idea why the mods are letting this kind of thread continue to exist. It's clearly inflammatory and non-productive.

Because the Mods don't moderate as much on weekends which is hilarious because that's often when people will have the most time to be on this site.
So people put bait threads like this knowing they'll get a rise with 0 consequences because the Mods won't act until Monday at the earliest and by then it's already 6 pages deep with troll posts and the like, which won't be acted on because the Mods don't follow their own site rules anyway.

Gert, you assume to much planning on my part in relation with my alleged trolling.

Not everything is part of a masterplan.

To be honest I don't mind. These threads are good for a laugh and letting them run acts as a containment to stop these discussions leaking out all over the board. Though its not stopped Vatsetis from making multiple threads about something he apparently is not mad about.

I only did a couple of polls... This one is the serious one and the other is the joke one.

I suppose the next vendetta against gamers will be for not wearing cosplay during sessions of D&D.

Vatsetis wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Vatsetis wrote:
Answering Tiberias:

So, should people be prevented to get drunk if they want to?

Isnt getting drunk part of someone personal freedom just like painting or not their 40K minis?

Most of the times when people get drunk they dont harm anyone, you have some serious prejudice against drunkness. :(

Yes, drinking alcohol is a personal freedom. But if painting miniatures and drinking alcohol is the same activity to you in regards to how much harm it can do and how it can affect other people, then you might have a seriously unhealthy and irresponsible relationship towards alcohol buddy.

You equating these two activities is dishonest in just about any context let alone this discussion.

I hardly drink nowdays and have been drunk perhaps three of four times in my lifetime. Im not a particularly good or quick mini painter, but I do my best to improve.

Im not dishonest, and Im not a troll... perhaps Im just putting forward my POV in a challenging manner like Socrates or Jesus of Nazareth did in the past, both of which suffer severe backclash during their lifetimes but were sort of vindicated by history.

Did you just compare your arguments to those of Socrates and Jesus?
But you are right, you put your arguments forth in a challenging way, like it's actually challenging to read all that nonsense without wanting to gouge your own eyes out.

You yourself not drinking or being a slow painter has nothing to do with the idiotic comparisons you have put forth in this thread.

Answering last post of Tiberias:

Everything has a context, in the context of an ongoing debate in which people are hinting that the reason for not trying to paint their armies is that they suffer from serious health issues or that their family live will suffer if they do... Well, comparing yourselve to one of the many Greek Philosophers or Middle Eastern Prophets is hardly an Hyperbole.

The reason why the Joker cant be defeated is not the "not killing" rule of Batman... But rather than the Joker represent the zeitgeist of Gotham.

Vatsetis wrote:
Answering last post of Tiberias:

Everything has a context, in the context of an ongoing debate in which people are hinting that the reason for not trying to paint their armies is that they suffer from serious health issues or that their family live will suffer if they do... Well, comparing yourselve to one of the many Greek Philosophers or Middle Eastern Prophets is hardly an Hyperbole.

The reason why the Joker cant be defeated is not the "not killing" rule of Batman... But rather than the Joker represent the zeitgeist of Gotham.

Can anyone kindly translate this delusional babble for me please?

Painting is a main aspect of this hobby, as had been converting models to represent wysiwyg wargear etc... I voted all of the above, and understood it non-exhaustively, as there might be other reasons, but none of the above is plain false on its face, objectively, so how half the people responding chose that boggles the mind. Peak clown world, ... next, people will argue that they dont need to read the words to appreciate literature. How does something like this even make sense? Honestly, I am so confused.

Clarification for Tiberias:

Trolling is not an absolute but rather a relative term... Its more dificult to be considered a drunkard if everyone in your community is regularly having vodka for breakfast... Suddenly you became a "social drinker".

Its actually not a difficult concept to grasp.

 jeff white wrote:
, ... next, people will argue that they dont need to read the words to appreciate literature. How does something like this even make sense? Honestly, I am so confused.

No.... you dont need to paint to play thats the point.... You seem do not understand what a hobby is.

Painting is a main aspect of this hobby

To you, some people dont see painting 40k as a part of their hobby, heck some people play with bottle caps.

as had been converting models to represent wysiwyg wargear

again to you, and GW seems to be against this anymore so you can't say its GWs intent either

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
, ... next, people will argue that they dont need to read the words to appreciate literature. How does something like this even make sense? Honestly, I am so confused.

No.... you dont need to paint to play thats the point.... You seem do not understand what a hobby is.

Painting is a main aspect of this hobby

To you, some people dont see painting 40k as a part of their hobby, heck some people play with bottle caps.

as had been converting models to represent wysiwyg wargear

again to you, and GW seems to be against this anymore so you can't say its GWs intent either

What would you think about someone that pretends to be into the "literature hobby" just because they listen to literature podcasts altough they are (mostly) illeterate and their vocabulary is therefore somewhat limited.

Not only that but imagine that such individual feels a sort of pride of their illeterate status and rejects as "elitists" those that suggest that their appreciation of literature would actually improve if they took the time to learn to read and write.

Perhaps painting is not "necessary" to engage into the 40K hobby, but it certainly enrich the experience.

Is someone in the literature community, despite only listening to literature podcasts? Yes.
Is someone in the literature community part of it even if they only listen to audio books, which is a more apt comparison? Yes.
If you tell someone that they're lazy, illiterate, stupid, or blind to the hobby because they prefer these aspects more, you're an donkey-cave.
Just like in Miniature Wargaming, you can feel free not to talk to people about literature if the only thing they do is one of those activities. But why insult them personally?


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Also, I'm a huge book fan. I've started a group for a series to talk to people about it. I cannot visualize. I can only read the text on paper, yet I enjoy reading. If I were to meet someone who only listened to podcasts about the book series, I'd love talking to them, and discussing what they think as someone who never read the series.