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Lots of back and forth about nothing. We have only seen a single page from the new white dwarf, which was beasts of chaos.
The October white dwarf comes out on the 5th. They usually cover preorders up to the magazines release week or the week after.
So the October white dwarf should cover the September 29th preorder, the October 6th preorder and maybe the October 12th preorder.
Possible October releases are:
Kill team commanders
Warhammer underworlds warbands
Adeptus Titanicus warhounds
Speed freeks
Ork codex and minis.

The warbands and the Titan will probably not get a week to themselves.
So we may see a Kill-Team preorder on the 29th, but we will see Speed Freeks on October 6th at the latest.

Chikout wrote:
Lots of back and forth about nothing. We have only seen a single page from the new white dwarf, which was beasts of chaos.
The October white dwarf comes out on the 5th. They usually cover preorders up to the magazines release week or the week after.
So the October white dwarf should cover the September 29th preorder, the October 6th preorder and maybe the October 12th preorder.
Possible October releases are:
Kill team commanders
Warhammer underworlds warbands
Adeptus Titanicus warhounds
Speed freeks
Ork codex and minis.

The warbands and the Titan will probably not get a week to themselves.
So we may see a Kill-Team preorder on the 29th, but we will see Speed Freeks on October 6th at the latest.

Yup. Fully agreed

rtb02 wrote:
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As for the gw hype perhaps the revelation of speed freaks, buggy and trike plus codex. Perhaps you missed those along with the dakka dakka dakka reveal too?

I'm talking about the hype certain people are hell bent believing comes today despite evidenc pointing more toward later half of october for orks.


Still waiting for those. All quiet on that part. Some people are setting themselves up for big dissapointment with no benefit. Codex won't come any sooner even if you keep repeating preorder revealed today despite all evidence shown so far saying otherwise. Nothing indicates preorder for codex next week. Just some people who are setting themselves for dissapointment.

Me? I paint. Much better. I won't be dissapointed either way and will have new units to try with codex when it comes.

tneva82 wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
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As for the gw hype perhaps the revelation of speed freaks, buggy and trike plus codex. Perhaps you missed those along with the dakka dakka dakka reveal too?

I'm talking about the hype certain people are hell bent believing comes today despite evidenc pointing more toward later half of october for orks.


Still waiting for those. All quiet on that part. Some people are setting themselves up for big dissapointment with no benefit. Codex won't come any sooner even if you keep repeating preorder revealed today despite all evidence shown so far saying otherwise. Nothing indicates preorder for codex next week. Just some people who are setting themselves for dissapointment.

Me? I paint. Much better. I won't be dissapointed either way and will have new units to try with codex when it comes.

There is no evidence either way. There is no evidence to suggest a release later into October nor any evidence to suggest we'll get something at the start of October. So far its all guess work.

Personally I would be disappointed if we don't get anything until mid way through October. That does not indicate to me an 'Orktober' as promised by GW.

There's no harm in painting until we hear something though. That's exactly what I'm doing as I polish my skills ready for those new buggy releases and try to get through my substantial backlog.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/23/next-week-the-war-for-vigilus-continues/

They're not Orks...

Hate to say I told you so!

 ImAGeek wrote:
Hate to say I told you so!

Alright!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:


There is no evidence either way. There is no evidence to suggest a release later into October nor any evidence to suggest we'll get something at the start of October. So far its all guess work.

Personally I would be disappointed if we don't get anything until mid way through October. That does not indicate to me an 'Orktober' as promised by GW.

There's no harm in painting until we hear something though. That's exactly what I'm doing as I polish my skills ready for those new buggy releases and try to get through my substantial backlog.

We have had leaks of october white dwarf which hints toward later half release. YEs it's not 100% but it's lot more than "first week release".

But sure keep putting your head in the sand if you wish. As was proven already though no 1st week release. October has it, wait for it, FOUR saturdays. Release is unlikely to take 4 weeks. Remember new vehicles in speed freak box are unlikely to come in solo boxes to begin with. More likely between november-january(seeing december is rare one for kit releases). GW wants to sell as much of those for price of more than the two individually will be for after all.

The normal oder of operations is GW hinting some new rules, warlord traits, stratagems and relics for a week, then they announce whatever they were spoiling to be up for pre-order at the end of the week with all those spoilers.

There will be no pre-order announcement before the spoilers for codex have been shown.

 Jidmah wrote:
The normal oder of operations is GW hinting some new rules, warlord traits, stratagems and relics for a week, then they announce whatever they were spoiling to be up for pre-order at the end of the week with all those spoilers.

There will be no pre-order announcement before the spoilers for codex have been shown.

No, it goes preorder announcement for the following Saturday, and then the week up to the Saturday is the stratagems etc being shown.

tneva82 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:


There is no evidence either way. There is no evidence to suggest a release later into October nor any evidence to suggest we'll get something at the start of October. So far its all guess work.

Personally I would be disappointed if we don't get anything until mid way through October. That does not indicate to me an 'Orktober' as promised by GW.

There's no harm in painting until we hear something though. That's exactly what I'm doing as I polish my skills ready for those new buggy releases and try to get through my substantial backlog.

We have had leaks of october white dwarf which hints toward later half release. YEs it's not 100% but it's lot more than "first week release".

But sure keep putting your head in the sand if you wish. As was proven already though no 1st week release. October has it, wait for it, FOUR saturdays. Release is unlikely to take 4 weeks. Remember new vehicles in speed freak box are unlikely to come in solo boxes to begin with. More likely between november-january(seeing december is rare one for kit releases). GW wants to sell as much of those for price of more than the two individually will be for after all.

Show me the WD leaks. Its one page isn't it?

Also its funny how you've waited until after the latest community article before responding....

"Orktober". Riiiiight.

Orktober is just a pun on October to show that Ork stuff is coming in October, and doesn’t necessarily mean the whole month is gonna be Ork stuff.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
The normal oder of operations is GW hinting some new rules, warlord traits, stratagems and relics for a week, then they announce whatever they were spoiling to be up for pre-order at the end of the week with all those spoilers.

There will be no pre-order announcement before the spoilers for codex have been shown.

No, it goes preorder announcement for the following Saturday, and then the week up to the Saturday is the stratagems etc being shown.

Thought it's also been the other way around too - a big push in the run up to first pre-orders, then more in depth looks afterwards. Depends if Orks are a regular codex release, or a larger GW event - I could see the latter, what with the boxed game coming out around the same time

 ImAGeek wrote:
Orktober is just a pun on October to show that Ork stuff is coming in October, and doesn’t necessarily mean the whole month is gonna be Ork stuff.

Whilst technically true (obviously) GW have had month spanning releases since anyone can remember. In fact, that has been the norm for most of their history. If they pronounce October to be ORKtober, people will assume the month is dedicated to Ork releases.

JSG wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Orktober is just a pun on October to show that Ork stuff is coming in October, and doesn’t necessarily mean the whole month is gonna be Ork stuff.

Whilst technically true (obviously) GW have had month spanning releases since anyone can remember. In fact, that has been the norm for most of their history. If they pronounce October to be ORKtober, people will assume the month is dedicated to Ork releases.

Not to mention their repeated proclamations that great things coming for Orks in "Orktober" when anyone suggested they were dissatisfied with the heinous wait. And the wait has been heinous, the edition is 18 months old and we're the last real codex to be released, effectively playing half a game for the duration while we have no stratagems or interesting traits to consider. Meanwhile completely new factions are released before we have a sniff of anything.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

JSG wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Orktober is just a pun on October to show that Ork stuff is coming in October, and doesn’t necessarily mean the whole month is gonna be Ork stuff.

Whilst technically true (obviously) GW have had month spanning releases since anyone can remember. In fact, that has been the norm for most of their history. If they pronounce October to be ORKtober, people will assume the month is dedicated to Ork releases.

Not to mention their repeated proclamations that great things coming for Orks in "Orktober" when anyone suggested they were dissatisfied with the heinous wait. And the wait has been heinous, the edition is 18 months old and we're the last real codex to be released, effectively playing half a game for the duration while we have no stratagems or interesting traits to consider. Meanwhile completely new factions are released before we have a sniff of anything.

I think 8th ed has made it clear that Genestealer cults are as real a faction as Tau were in 3rd, but hey. And there was updates in chapter approved.
Weekend after next is the first weekend in Orktober, sudden new starter set seems odd though - even with a warlock level character to add to the Eldar in Kill team. That's a few short lifespan for tooth and claw isn't it, unless we're now in the realms of multiple starter sets?

Tastyfish wrote:
I think 8th ed has made it clear that Genestealer cults are as real a faction as Tau were in 3rd, but hey. And there was updates in chapter approved.
Weekend after next is the first weekend in Orktober, sudden new starter set seems odd though - even with a warlock level character to add to the Eldar in Kill team. That's a few short lifespan for tooth and claw isn't it, unless we're now in the realms of multiple starter sets?

The chapter approved updates were garbage. So bad, in fact, that one of the stratagems has been made an army-wide, always on special rule. We had a warlord trait that was mathematically worse than a base one in the brb for almost every combination of warlord and a few minor points adjustments. Not exactly codex level material. Not even close.

Agreed on all aspects re lifespan of tooth and claw, its bizarrely short.

JSG wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Orktober is just a pun on October to show that Ork stuff is coming in October, and doesn’t necessarily mean the whole month is gonna be Ork stuff.

Whilst technically true (obviously) GW have had month spanning releases since anyone can remember. In fact, that has been the norm for most of their history. If they pronounce October to be ORKtober, people will assume the month is dedicated to Ork releases.

If they somehow miss an october release they have Noorkvember and Decidedtosquatorksvember to fall back on. Then drop the mother of all ork updates in January.

It is worth pointing out than when GW talk about dates, they are almost always talking about the preorder date. I remember looking forward to the promised April release of Ko a couple of years ago only for the first preorder date to be April 30th.
So for GW October starts with the October 6th preorder.
I still think that is when we will see Speed Freeks.
Though with the surprise addition of wake the dead, we may get Kill Team commanders on the 6th and Speed Freeks after that.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:
I think 8th ed has made it clear that Genestealer cults are as real a faction as Tau were in 3rd, but hey. And there was updates in chapter approved.
Weekend after next is the first weekend in Orktober, sudden new starter set seems odd though - even with a warlock level character to add to the Eldar in Kill team. That's a few short lifespan for tooth and claw isn't it, unless we're now in the realms of multiple starter sets?

The chapter approved updates were garbage. So bad, in fact, that one of the stratagems has been made an army-wide, always on special rule. We had a warlord trait that was mathematically worse than a base one in the brb for almost every combination of warlord and a few minor points adjustments. Not exactly codex level material. Not even close.

Agreed on all aspects re lifespan of tooth and claw, its bizarrely short.

I don't disagree, just saying that new bad rules are still attention. The hand that buffs is the hand that nerfs...

Tastyfish wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:
I think 8th ed has made it clear that Genestealer cults are as real a faction as Tau were in 3rd, but hey. And there was updates in chapter approved.
Weekend after next is the first weekend in Orktober, sudden new starter set seems odd though - even with a warlock level character to add to the Eldar in Kill team. That's a few short lifespan for tooth and claw isn't it, unless we're now in the realms of multiple starter sets?

The chapter approved updates were garbage. So bad, in fact, that one of the stratagems has been made an army-wide, always on special rule. We had a warlord trait that was mathematically worse than a base one in the brb for almost every combination of warlord and a few minor points adjustments. Not exactly codex level material. Not even close.

Agreed on all aspects re lifespan of tooth and claw, its bizarrely short.

I don't disagree, just saying that new bad rules are still attention. The hand that buffs is the hand that nerfs...

Its not so much about nerfs and buffs as it is about fun. The faction is not fun to play in its current incarnation. It is boring and one dimensional. Stratagems and shenanigans complete the game and index Orks lack both.

As I said originally, its like I'm playing only half the game that my opponent of another faction enjoys. Orks are one of the most popular xeno factions, we really shouldn't have had to wait this long for an update.

No doubt 9th ed or 8th 2.0 is right around the corner too...

 ImAGeek wrote:
Orktober is just a pun on October to show that Ork stuff is coming in October, and doesn’t necessarily mean the whole month is gonna be Ork stuff.

YEah. People are having unrealistic expectations over whole orktober thing. Setting themselves up for huge dissapointment. Then complain about GW screwing themselves up when they have only themselves to blame for making things up on their head which GW then didn't do exactly as they had come up in their head.

We get speed freaks and codex in this month. That's green enough october. Hell we already know this release is going to be bigger than most codex releases have been so let's be happy about this. Assuming whole month would be orks only would be silly.

My guess would be speed freak box comes out on 13th, codex on 20th and some models on 27th. Vehicles from speed freak box on their own separatedly. Hardly end of the world this way. If they go for more condenced speed freak on 20th and rest 27th. And frankly they might spread some model releases on november as it is. Term orktober could just refer to codex coming out this month. Not that all ork stuff comes this month.


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Tastyfish wrote:
I think 8th ed has made it clear that Genestealer cults are as real a faction as Tau were in 3rd, but hey. And there was updates in chapter approved.
Weekend after next is the first weekend in Orktober, sudden new starter set seems odd though - even with a warlock level character to add to the Eldar in Kill team. That's a few short lifespan for tooth and claw isn't it, unless we're now in the realms of multiple starter sets?

Except it's not starter set but more akin to what they did during 6th/7th ed with bunch of models for 2 factions with discount. Note it doesn't even have rulebook like THOSE had and GW didn't consider those as starter sets either.

Looks more like GW's new style of stealth discounts by giving big bundles of stuff at discount getting over "no price decreases" policies while getting people to invest more than they might otherwise by giving them units they might otherwise not get(casting plastic sprues is basically free for GW).

Chikout wrote:
It is worth pointing out than when GW talk about dates, they are almost always talking about the preorder date. I remember looking forward to the promised April release of Ko a couple of years ago only for the first preorder date to be April 30th.
So for GW October starts with the October 6th preorder.
I still think that is when we will see Speed Freeks.
Though with the surprise addition of wake the dead, we may get Kill Team commanders on the 6th and Speed Freeks after that.

You know I just can’t be bothered to get involved in all this petty arguing, but I was going to post this.

It’s pre order that is used, so 27th is likely to still be one, though people are gonna complain they are getting it November.


Also whenever it was mentioned releases used to take a whole month - I mean we used to also have things release in one go each month and not weekly right?

Oh boy, we're back to "GW hates orks" because we haven't had ork info on September 24th, which appears to be part of October now.

Abandon thread.

 Jidmah wrote:
Oh boy, we're back to "GW hates orks" because we haven't had ork info on September 24th, which appears to be part of October now.

Abandon thread.

Well the thing is that the stuff that is announced now, will be in customer hands on 6th Oct. Meaning the first possible slot for Ork stuff IN HAND is at 13th Oct. I still have sliver of hope that Speedfreeks will be out on the 13th and the Codex on the 20th. Any later and I have to abandon my hope of running Orks in our tournament. :( I have ~3000 points of Orks now and I've played 2 games with them. It's getting old.

Name wise it kinda makes sense to hold all the previews and stuff till Orktober. Yes it means Orks wont be in hand until mid month, but it fits with the month theme better.


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I'm sure Slaanuary won't be any different.

 Weazel wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Oh boy, we're back to "GW hates orks" because we haven't had ork info on September 24th, which appears to be part of October now.

Abandon thread.

Well the thing is that the stuff that is announced now, will be in customer hands on 6th Oct. Meaning the first possible slot for Ork stuff IN HAND is at 13th Oct. I still have sliver of hope that Speedfreeks will be out on the 13th and the Codex on the 20th. Any later and I have to abandon my hope of running Orks in our tournament. :( I have ~3000 points of Orks now and I've played 2 games with them. It's getting old.

Seeing GW considers pre-order date for the date month they release funny that.

On the flip side this means last ork releases on october can come on november if 27th is also preorder orks. How weird that GW doesn't put orktober releases to preorder on september when it's preorder date GW considers for in which month model is released.

 Weazel wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Oh boy, we're back to "GW hates orks" because we haven't had ork info on September 24th, which appears to be part of October now.

Abandon thread.

Well the thing is that the stuff that is announced now, will be in customer hands on 6th Oct. Meaning the first possible slot for Ork stuff IN HAND is at 13th Oct. I still have sliver of hope that Speedfreeks will be out on the 13th and the Codex on the 20th. Any later and I have to abandon my hope of running Orks in our tournament. :( I have ~3000 points of Orks now and I've played 2 games with them. It's getting old.

Hey, I want to play my orks too, and I'd rather have my codex sooner than later as well. I'm just sick of all this irrational complaining at every possible chance. I'm fairly sure that the ork codex will be announced in October, and probably released then as well.
I have zero sympathy for people already losing their mind because the codex is not released on October 1st. I'll be losing my gak with everyone else if it's not up for pre-order by October 31st.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Weazel wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Oh boy, we're back to "GW hates orks" because we haven't had ork info on September 24th, which appears to be part of October now.

Abandon thread.

Well the thing is that the stuff that is announced now, will be in customer hands on 6th Oct. Meaning the first possible slot for Ork stuff IN HAND is at 13th Oct. I still have sliver of hope that Speedfreeks will be out on the 13th and the Codex on the 20th. Any later and I have to abandon my hope of running Orks in our tournament. :( I have ~3000 points of Orks now and I've played 2 games with them. It's getting old.

Hey, I want to play my orks too, and I'd rather have my codex sooner than later as well. I'm just sick of all this irrational complaining at every possible chance. I'm fairly sure that the ork codex will be announced in October, and probably released then as well.
I have zero sympathy for people already losing their mind because the codex is not released on October 1st. I'll be losing my gak with everyone else if it's not up for pre-order by October 31st.

Fair enough. I'm not raging, just mildly disappointed at this point. However if the eventual codex sucks bawls I'm going to rage quit 40k so hard, mark my words.

 Weazel wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Weazel wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Oh boy, we're back to "GW hates orks" because we haven't had ork info on September 24th, which appears to be part of October now.

Abandon thread.

Well the thing is that the stuff that is announced now, will be in customer hands on 6th Oct. Meaning the first possible slot for Ork stuff IN HAND is at 13th Oct. I still have sliver of hope that Speedfreeks will be out on the 13th and the Codex on the 20th. Any later and I have to abandon my hope of running Orks in our tournament. :( I have ~3000 points of Orks now and I've played 2 games with them. It's getting old.

Hey, I want to play my orks too, and I'd rather have my codex sooner than later as well. I'm just sick of all this irrational complaining at every possible chance. I'm fairly sure that the ork codex will be announced in October, and probably released then as well.
I have zero sympathy for people already losing their mind because the codex is not released on October 1st. I'll be losing my gak with everyone else if it's not up for pre-order by October 31st.

Fair enough. I'm not raging, just mildly disappointed at this point. However if the eventual codex sucks bawls I'm going to rage quit 40k so hard, mark my words.

I’m just waiting for the almost inevitable instances where the “September” FAQ somehow "invalidates or nerfs" Orks before they are even released – and then the explosion of anger afterwards, regardless of how small the impact might be.