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I read that tactica about the 4 types of armies and i liked the idea of how that guy fielded and played his grey knights, so i decided to try something similar and include dreadclaw assault pods.

This is the reactionary army i came up with:

hq -

Leutenant sorceror - 116pts
Mark of Chaos Undivided, Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon, Spiky Bits, Doombolt, Furious Charge, Siege Specialists

elites -

2 obliterators - 140pts

troops -

168pts
6 marines mark of undivided 1 plasma gun  1 heavy bolter
1 champion Siege Specialists, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Spiky Bits, Daemonic Mutation

163pts
6 marines mark of undivided 1 plasma gun
1 champion Siege Specialists, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Spiky Bits, Daemonic Mutation

95pts
5 marines mark of undivided 2 plasma guns

Heavy-

293pts
9 Havocs mark of undivided counter-attack 4 plasma guns 4 with ccw & bolt pistols
1 champion Counter Attack, Siege Specialists, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Combi-meltagun, Power Weapon, Melta Bombs, Spiky Bits, Daemonic Mutation, Daemonic Strength
in Dreadclaw assault pod - 65pts

288pts
9 Havocs mark of undivided counter-attack 4 plasma guns 4 with ccw & bolt pistols
1 champion Counter Attack, Siege Specialists, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Combi-meltagun, Power Fist, Spiky Bits, Daemonic Mutation
in Dreadclaw assault pod - 65pts

284pts
9 Havocs mark of undivided counter-attack 4 plasma guns 4 with ccw & bolt pistols
1 champion Counter Attack, Siege Specialists, Mark of Chaos Undivided, bolt pistol, Power Fist, Melta Bombs, Spiky Bits, Daemonic Mutation
in Dreadclaw assault pod - 65pts

258pts
Landraider smoke and extra armor

What do you think?

If I'm reading this right, you seem to be trying to put Siege Specialists on just the champs, which is not legal. Vet skills must go on the entire squad, or not at all.  Also, you haven't paid for the Sorcerer ability on your Lt.

Actually i dont have to to pay for siege specialists i get it free on all of my marines because i am Iron Warriors.  I probably shouldn't have even included it in my list because its redundant.

And i do believe i pointed the sorceror correctly.

Not bad. If any space marines could be defined as reactionary its IW. "Come and dig us out of our fortress!"

My style is more of a breach taking, but to each their own. I don't see much of the point in taking the raider. It won't be transporting anything. As scary as their rep they're just a moving twin las and hb. Most players will ignore it to wail on your tiny on the board force of 20 marines. I'd drop the raider, take a bassie to soften up and beef up your line troops a bit. The reactionary style means your going to have to take the brunt of his actions and survive to retaliate.

I'm not saying they're a bad idea, but 20 plasma guns in an army of 60 marines? The amount of overheating frightens me. I could handle it in my guard army, but they cost a fraction. You might want to change 1-2 havocs to meltas. You might otherwise one or two large tanks rolling over you. You can't trust obs to come in exactly when you need them at 2000pts.

Thats quite a bit of kit for your ACs. They really don't do very well when you try to turn them into "jacks of all trades". Dump the combi weapons and the meltabombs. The havocs are shooty and you're not going to want to charge a tank and waste that plasma, and the chance of hiting with the one shot melta isn't reliable enough. Lastly trade the doom bolt for wind of chaos. A way more effective power against hordes and MEQs. Give him wings and sit him with the line. He'll prolly be able to charge anything before it gets into combat with your firebase.

As the list is right now, its pretty hit or miss how you would do. How some of this helps.

Thanks for the input.

I would agree the plasmas are a bit much i did play this army a couple of weeks ago against foot slogger orks and won, but i did have a lot of plasma guns blow up in my face.

I would agree its a hit or miss army at the moment.  It is one of my test army lists where i build a list with an idea in mind and then see how it operates and try to refine it somewhat. 

Upgrading the leutenant with wings and wind of chaos is not a bad idea.  The landraider is a rather large points sink with probly not much return most games but i wanted it to shuttle around my troops with the sorceror so they could move to a different part of the battlefeild to either shoot or assault right out of it.

My obliterators i fielded on the table in the game i played and i figured i'd probly always do that just because i need the extra firepower immediately.

And changing the havocs to a melta or two per squad is a good idea too.

This army needs tweaking thats why i posted it thanks.

I also kind of see this army as a beginning for 2 new armies, one being about 6 dreadclaws dropping in as part of a wholly deep striking army, and the other having 2-3 landraiders in 1850-2000pts.

I'm just trying to do something new with iron warriors.

God I hate that 'tactica'

It was such a steaming pile of garbage.

It did however convince me to write an article called "Magic Combo's and 40k, the 3 falcon method at 1000 points." (notice how this actually makes no sense whatsoever, or how combo decks have nothing to do with 40k - but I won't let that stop me! Also notice how my wins are actually coming from having multiple high powered vehicles that no 1000 point army could have enough firepower to counter at 1000 points.)

LOL

I understand your criticism of that tactica what it did for me however was to just make me think of something new to do with my army, albeit possibly something as rediculous as 9 obliterators. (which ive never done btw)

I'm glad I could be some help. Its too bad that dreadclaws are so pricey. Oh well. I swear by wind of chaos, best overall chaos power IMHO. I just finished modeling a very large flamer on my IW termie lord that counts as his wind (uber siege flamer). Not sure why someone would complain about a tactica to someone who is building a list using it and not even explain what they didn't like about it. I wouldn't play a water army, but it sure made me think about the armies I tend to favour. I'm largely a fire player and to a lesser extent an earth player. Whether you like a tactica or not, I'm glad when anyone writes one I can read and enjoy. The more there are the more brain storming there will be and the more we will all think about how we do and can play.

Posted By WarsmithMorgoth on 04/03/2007 5:51 AM
Actually i dont have to to pay for siege specialists i get it free on all of my marines because i am Iron Warriors.  I probably shouldn't have even included it in my list because its redundant.

And i do believe i pointed the sorceror correctly.

You're right.  Sorry, I completely forgot that IW got it for free.  That's also why I thought you'd miscalculated your Lt.  Ignore everything I said.

Ironically, the most "reactionary" army you could field with IW would include 9 oblits.

Ya i could field 9 obliterators and 4 defilers, gosh wouldn't that be a fun list.

I HATE Iron Warrior players that play with 9 oblits, they give the army and the game itself a bad name. 

If you want to be unimaginative and you are simply out for winning do something like that.

I have always tried to be different, I am the only IW player in my gaming group which includes around 30 people.  And i will not disgrace the IW by playing a cheesy army like that.  I also feel that it goes against the fluff of the IW to field that many oblits.  If anyone has read any of the IW novels, i cant remember ONE time that they mentioned obliterators. 

Iron Warriors are all about the marines in my opinion, they are a vast legion made up of tough, hard nosed MARINES that beleive that the Imperium has turned its back on them and they want revenge.  The Imperium is corrupt and flawed and through their bitter hatred for it they will fight the long war and eventually crush it.

That i beleive is how they think.  They dont worship the chaos gods other than as a pantheon, like the ancient romans did.

With that in mind i attempt to build my lists.

I like doing something different, the newest ideas ive had are for a drop pod list and a landraider heavy list.

I had a 2000pt list in 3rd edition that could pump out between 21 and 24 frag missile template per turn depending on whether the dreadnought fire frenzied.  It was a heck of a shooty list, (only 2 oblits in the list btw) i havent played it in awhile because the small blast template rules have changed and frags arent as good as they once were.

I had another list in the old rules that consisted of 5 rhinos 3 predators and a vindicator.  (zero oblits) It was an awesome list because i would push forward with the preds and vindi as cover with the rhinos behind then the 2nd turn the rhinos would come out from behind the preds and small tooled up marine squads would jump out and shoot and assault.

So from these examples my styles have changed sometimes because of the rules, and now with 4th edition its just a little trickier to come up with a list i like thats competitive that doesn't use 9 oblits.

Anyways enough of my rants haha.