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Liking the new Raicho more than I thought I would!

Any chance the pelt is NOT a sculpted part of the gun arm, and could be left off?

 Mysterio wrote:
Liking the new Raicho more than I thought I would!

Any chance the pelt is NOT a sculpted part of the gun arm, and could be left off?

I highly doubt it.

This is great and all but I want my Tunguska rules now, pretty please?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Liking the new Raicho more than I thought I would!

Any chance the pelt is NOT a sculpted part of the gun arm, and could be left off?

I highly doubt it.

I'm going to think it is still a possibility - until it isn't!

 Mysterio wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Liking the new Raicho more than I thought I would!

Any chance the pelt is NOT a sculpted part of the gun arm, and could be left off?

I highly doubt it.

I'm going to think it is still a possibility - until it isn't!

Prepare for "nope", that's the best rule of thumb to have with CB.

Even if it's not sculpted it likely has no detail underneath of where it's meant to be. They're trying as hard as they can to make it so that things build easier where possible.

I'm pretty sure that skull is part of the arm and not removable, which is very sad...damn it. Hate that pelt!

I like the Raicho, but still don't think it looks like a Morat unit at all. It really doesn't fit with MAF. Its a neat model, but I wish they would have kept some of the Morat design elements that they worked so hard to establish on every other modern MAF model. Instead of looking like a Morat model, this looks like a cool proxy form a completely different game.

Aside from the obvious CAD-based leap forward in sculpt quality that has been evident from Icestorm onwards, there's just nothing about the new Magisters that is superior to the old ones. They're in oddly static poses for a unit who should be constantly on the move, and the single 'panzerfaust' model is going to be confusing as hell to opponents not familiar with their loadouts.

"This one here has a missile launcher. This guy next to her doesn't have a missile launcher even though it looks very similar but it's a panzerfaust, which is almost the same but limited in shots. All the other guys have panzerfausts as well, even though the models aren't carrying them. To summarise: Not holding a big launcher = panzerfaust. Holding a big launcher = missile launcher, not panzerfaust, unless it's this one guy in which case holding a big launcher = panzerfaust."



Huge step back in playability, really disappointed. Fortunately I can fill out the AVA 6 in old models so don't have to make this purchase.

I really like the heads though, if they're separate I might keep an eye on them for conversions...

 jake wrote:
I like the Raicho, but still don't think it looks like a Morat unit at all. It really doesn't fit with MAF. Its a neat model, but I wish they would have kept some of the Morat design elements that they worked so hard to establish on every other modern MAF model. Instead of looking like a Morat model, this looks like a cool proxy form a completely different game.

Did we ever get told that the Raicho was specifically a Morat design? Not trying to pick a fight or anything--but I don't remember it being called out as a Morat design.


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 Riquende wrote:
Aside from the obvious CAD-based leap forward in sculpt quality that has been evident from Icestorm onwards, there's just nothing about the new Magisters that is superior to the old ones. They're in oddly static poses for a unit who should be constantly on the move, and the single 'panzerfaust' model is going to be confusing as hell to opponents not familiar with their loadouts.

"This one here has a missile launcher. This guy next to her doesn't have a missile launcher even though it looks very similar but it's a panzerfaust, which is almost the same but limited in shots. All the other guys have panzerfausts as well, even though the models aren't carrying them. To summarise: Not holding a big launcher = panzerfaust. Holding a big launcher = missile launcher, not panzerfaust, unless it's this one guy in which case holding a big launcher = panzerfaust."

Blame the guy who okayed the shoulder thing on the Aquila HMG. It looked exactly like the panzerfaust the Magisters had and rather than just give the frigging Aquila a Panzerfaust in its profile, they decided they had to 'make it a launcher'.

I wonder if the old Raicho model and this new one could be kitbashed into something too?

Expensive?

Yes!

But I already own the old one...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:
I like the Raicho, but still don't think it looks like a Morat unit at all. It really doesn't fit with MAF. Its a neat model, but I wish they would have kept some of the Morat design elements that they worked so hard to establish on every other modern MAF model. Instead of looking like a Morat model, this looks like a cool proxy form a completely different game.

Did we ever get told that the Raicho was specifically a Morat design? Not trying to pick a fight or anything--but I don't remember it being called out as a Morat design.

We didn't, and you're right that it might not be. I think its safe to assume that Morats design all of their own tech, which is why it looks radically different from the rest of the CA tech, and why it is in many ways inferior to the way more advanced EI tech. But this new Raicho could be a departure from that. If it is, and of theres a reason for that in the fiction, that could be really neat. It could be:

- The EI is taking a more direct hand in MAF, providing better tech by directly taking over production of larger weapon platforms.

- The "scouting party" phase of the Combined Army invasion is over, and now the actual army has shown up, equipped with better and more up to the date equipment.

- The Raicho now has a more important role in general Combined Army operations, and has been suitably redesigned by the EI with that in mind.

- Morat separatists have broken away from the Combined Army and are fighting on their own and for themselves. Loyalist MAF forces have been provided with a more powerful and visually distinct weapons platform.

Any of these could be an interesting reason for such a distinct visual departure. I'm curious if there will be a fluff reason.


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As a side note, it makes me very curious to see if new Shasvastii will look more like vanilla EI units.


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I'm also still sore about the chages to the shoulder mounted panzerfausts (both for MO and MAF). What a huge step back.

I do like these new Magister models, but the really great poses of the old ones are just too good to replace.

Magister Knight with the bent sword. Oops.

So many minis wearing the sunglasses. This year's rage-fist? It fits on the Najjarun, because previous iterations wore it. Not so much on the Ghulam Dr.

CSU in "mom jeans" which I say is a good thing. A bit of variety from the short skirt and/or skin tight pants on many of the female minis. Although is that the same/similar head as on the one new securitate? It looks suitably professional. I like.

Raicho, very cool, but not distinct from the new nomad and/or EI stuff.

A month of nice releases.

How embarrassing, to have your sword bend like that.

I think they removed the tactical rocks they were previewed with.

I'll take that CSU, for reasons.

The tactical rocks were on the Knights Hospitaller--they've been out for quite some time.

I'm thankful they got rid of the Ghulam doctor's exposed midriff. It was weird. I wish the sunglasses were more futuristic-looking; I'd have loved for a doctor to have a HUD of some sort rather than dorky aviators.

The NajEngineer also seems to have finally taken that dump he's been posed to take for years now.

Overall an improvement.

Why is the panzerfaust Magister a little teapot?

 Knight wrote:
How embarrassing, to have your sword bend like that.

I don't think the sword is bent. I think in the photos the angle makes the foreshortened sword look bent. But I could be wrong. Its hard to tell.

Kanluwen wrote:
Prepare for "nope", that's the best rule of thumb to have with CB.

Even if it's not sculpted it likely has no detail underneath of where it's meant to be. They're trying as hard as they can to make it so that things build easier where possible.

CB really tries hard to make assembly as easy as possible and small parts as few as possible.

Kanluwen wrote:The tactical rocks were on the Knights Hospitaller--they've been out for quite some time.

And they are a hell to remove.

The jewelers saw is your friend here, and a good vise. Also, photos of said tactical rock-less hospitallers?

Sword is bent. It is the same sort of bend, I had in my Hsien HMG. seen here https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1170/583487.page#9149148 The position of the thing makes it near impossible not to bend while painting. The trick is leave it bent until you have finished painting then straighten it. Then mount it on a 40mm base to protect it.

Loving the CSU, and the support box. Great understated models.

The CSU looks like it might be a decent shout for an Infinity RPG PC model.

 Riquende wrote:
Aside from the obvious CAD-based leap forward in sculpt quality that has been evident from Icestorm onwards, there's just nothing about the new Magisters that is superior to the old ones. They're in oddly static poses for a unit who should be constantly on the move, and the single 'panzerfaust' model is going to be confusing as hell to opponents not familiar with their loadouts.

"This one here has a missile launcher. This guy next to her doesn't have a missile launcher even though it looks very similar but it's a panzerfaust, which is almost the same but limited in shots. All the other guys have panzerfausts as well, even though the models aren't carrying them. To summarise: Not holding a big launcher = panzerfaust. Holding a big launcher = missile launcher, not panzerfaust, unless it's this one guy in which case holding a big launcher = panzerfaust."

Spoiler:

Huge step back in playability, really disappointed. Fortunately I can fill out the AVA 6 in old models so don't have to make this purchase.

I really like the heads though, if they're separate I might keep an eye on them for conversions...

The more disappointing thing about the Panzerfaust is that the Blitzen on the Tanko is a single-handed, twin-barrel pistol, pretty much the definition of miniaturised, while PanO is stuck with oversized shoulder launchers (the weapons are identical, differing only in ammo type).


I'm hoping the heads are separate, I've got a Joan that is waiting for a head-swap.

 The Infinite wrote:

is that the Blitzen on the Tanko is a single-handed, twin-barrel pistol, pretty much the definition of miniaturised

Although we know that's a mistake - the Blitzen drawn on the Tanko dossier is very much *not* a heavy pistol.




In other news, the nomad update for the BoW campaign gave June 29th as the date that Tunguska profiles would appear in Army and on the website, which is apparently all Carlos's fault and he's very sorry.

June 25th, Tunguska is on 29th.

 Red Harvest wrote:


Sword is bent. It is the same sort of bend, I had in my Hsien HMG. seen here https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1170/583487.page#9149148 The position of the thing makes it near impossible not to bend while painting. The trick is leave it bent until you have finished painting then straighten it. Then mount it on a 40mm base to protect it.

I'm not sure how you can be certain. I agree that it might be bent, but I also think it really could just be an illusion caused by foreshortening. Its really hard to tell because we only get to see the model in one angle in all three photos, but this wouldn't be the first time Infinity players were certain a sword was bent, only to see later that it was just a misleading photo.

Not that it matters at all I guess.

Certain because of personal experience, but yeah, it's not important. Just something to comment on.

Anyone following the Campaign videos on the Corvus Belli Channel, here https://www.youtube.com/user/CorvusBelliSLL ? I'm wondering what sort of brown matter may be hitting the fan when they post the Yu Jing video.

 Micky wrote:

 The Infinite wrote:

is that the Blitzen on the Tanko is a single-handed, twin-barrel pistol, pretty much the definition of miniaturised

Although we know that's a mistake - the Blitzen drawn on the Tanko dossier is very much *not* a heavy pistol.




In other news, the nomad update for the BoW campaign gave June 29th as the date that Tunguska profiles would appear in Army and on the website, which is apparently all Carlos's fault and he's very sorry.

I don't remember the Blitzen on the Tanko dossier, I thought (and can now only find) Contender, LSG, SMG, Pistol and Katana.
Do you have a link to what the Blitzen was supposed to look like?

 Red Harvest wrote:
So many minis wearing the sunglasses. This year's rage-fist? It fits on the Najjarun, because previous iterations wore it. Not so much on the Ghulam Dr.

I was just noticing that and was about to post "Not a single eyeball to paint".
I am really happy about that coz I suck at eyes.

They're good and I'm all for them so long as they're actual sunglasses, and not just the rims like on Scylla. Even the Angel's paintjob for her makes her eyes & glasses awkward

Campaign looks good. Carlos mentioned that they made some changes based on feedback so that it's not just the most played faction that wins, but I didn't see any specifics mentioned. Never bothered with the last 2 BoW campaigns, but we should have enough local players at our shop this year to actually make a decent showing out of it, a few of us are already interested in the Campaign: Paradiso re-write that one of the Mayacast players is currently doing

 The Infinite wrote:

I don't remember the Blitzen on the Tanko dossier, I thought (and can now only find) Contender, LSG, SMG, Pistol and Katana.
Do you have a link to what the Blitzen was supposed to look like?

Yeah there were two different dossiers, one was used when they were first teased and another later on with less weapons on it.
I dunno if blitzen appear in any dossiers anymore.

In any case, that model can stand in for whatever you want.



re: campaign, seems mostly at the moment they're just going over all the defensive strong-points that the different factions are defending, and what missions and rules those will have. Some of them are pretty silly (eg. one where any trooper with the Mountain Terrain rule also gets AD Lvl 1, leading to lots of parachuting jotum memes).