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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/20 11:11:02
Subject: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Waynesboro, VA.
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I know this list isn't going to win a lot of games at the GT. But if you were playing against it and lost to it. What kind of Comp. score would you give it? HQ Farseer w/ jet bike, Rune of Warding, Singing Spear, Doom, and Fortune Autarch w/ Laser-lance and jet bike, Mandiblaster, fusion gun. Troops 6 man Jet bike squad w/ Warlock with Singing Spear and Destructor. 1 with a Shuriken cannon. 5 man Jet bike squad w/ Warlock with Singing Spear and Destructor. 1 with a Shuriken cannon. 4 man Jet bike squad w/ Warlock with Singing Spear and Destructor. 1 with a Shuriken cannon. Fast Attack 4 man Shining Spears w/ Exarch arm with a Star lance and With Draw, Skilled rider, Shuriken cannon on the Exarch's bike. 4 man Shining Spears w/ Exarch arm with a Star lance and With Draw, Skilled rider, Shuriken cannon on the Exarch's bike. 4 man Shining Spears w/ Exarch arm with a Star lance and With Draw, Skilled rider, Shuriken cannon on the Exarch's bike Heavy Support Fire Prism w/ VE, SS, and HOLO-field Fire Prism w/ VE, SS, and HOLO-field I took your advice and gave the Autarch the Mandiblasters. Haveing 6 St 6 hits on the charge is some good. The Farseer I'm not sure about yet. But, I'm going to play test it alot before I go to the GT. Do I still get the St 9 Singing spear against a Monoilth?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/20 11:41:41
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fixture of Dakka
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For the Gladiator at Adepticon, I ran a jetbike/skimmer army (4x 4-bike Guardian/Warlock squads, 2x 4-bike Shining Spear Squads, biker autarch, 2x Fire Prisms, 1x Falcon, Eldrad, 5 Harlies). It did very well, except against a true Godzilla Tyranid list on a table devoid of Area 3 cover.
As to your list: the biker Autarch really isn't as great as you might hope. He's got a potent charge (needs Mandiblasters), but if he gets stuck in, he's screwed. Consider a biker Farseer, instead. Doom, in conjunction with shuriken cannons, is very nice; Mind War has lots of range, when bike-mounted; Fortune is great on expensive Shining Spears.
Do consider 2 Fire Prisms. If you take 1, you really ought to take 2, or you lose some of the benefit (e.g., a S6 AP3 large blast template).
Your squad size numbers could be adjusted, for the usual reason: even numbers are better than odd in v4, for scoring units. I've started running 1 squad of 6 jetbikes (no warlock, 2 cannons), and 2 squads of 4 (1 cannon, warlock w/spear + destructor), for smaller point games.
TAKE THE SHURIKEN CANNON on your Shining Spear exarchs. BS 5 & multiple S6 shots is a steal, particularly on the Eldar Jetbike platform.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/20 17:51:02
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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The list looks solid. Well, I played a different list at the GT, with 3 Falcons mounted with 2x FD and 1 Harlie squad. My army was led by an Autarch, and this guy did really well. Consider the mandiblaster for him. Don't take 3 men Jetbike/Shining Spears squads, one casualty and the squad becomes rather ineffective.
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Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/21 05:19:18
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I change the list with people's advice. I really wasn't thinking that this was a soild list at all. Thanks for the comments. How would this list fare against Drop Pods, Nidzillia, and MEQ Tau and Eldar?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/21 11:09:32
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Sneaky Kommando
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dire avengers seem out of place, why not replace them with another 4 man shinning spears squad and another guardian biker squad?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/21 12:26:07
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Do I still get the St 9 Singing spear against a Monoilth? Yes. But better if you can blast it with a S10 AP 1 shot from the Fire Prisms on turn 1. At this piont, you should probably just playtest it a bit, and see if you like it. There are some tweaks you could do (swap the Dire Avengers for more bikes, or a different Aspect squad, or a bunch of Harlequins, etc.), but that last little bit will depend on your personal taste.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/21 21:38:26
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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I strongly advice Falcons against Drop Pod, Tau or Gozilla armies. With lots of S6 weapons, doom becomes redundant. In contrary, doom is good if you keep those Avengers. However, Avengers don't shine vs MEQ or Gozilla armies.
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Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/22 12:26:27
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Doom is great for alot of eldar lists however in this one it should be pulled for Fortune, remember that a perils of the warp is insta kill versus most Farseers and Fortune effects the Ghost Helm save , and it would affect and entire squad if he is engaged.
I kind of wonder about using guide and fortune instead of mind war in this list, since you could cast it on a nearbye Guardian Squad perhaps one with multiple shuriken cannons, or on a Shining Spear squad since it also helps with hand to hand for more Laser Lance kills.
Also always stick the Autarch in a Shining Spear squad if it has Withdraw, since if he is in the squad it also effects him. Allowing you to bust a big squad down to size for shooty annihalation next turn and then run away.
I am very happy that you decided on the large number of Destructors as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/23 06:20:19
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fresh-Faced New User
Waynesboro, VA.
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Well I play my first game with the new list, and I won! I'm not going to go into details here. But I have to say that the Shining Spears are MVP. It was against a IG list. 5 squads of Las and Plasma. 2 tanks and 1 Basilisk. 2 drop troops and 6 man Rough Rider Squad. The only thing I'm going to change is the Farseer's power to Fortune taking away the Mind War. Thanks again for all the comments. Please keep them coming. Oh, is this a Army that has theme plus a fun factor to play against? Please post your Opinions! My opp. didn't like the fact that by second turn he couldn't shoot the Basilisk at anything ( he forgot to move to use the line of sight.). And he had problems with the Fire Prism's also. I believe that's how the Eldar Codex was made. LOL
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/23 13:42:39
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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I like the list. It is effective, something you don't see everyday, and has a very visible theme. If we threw down in a tournement I wouldn't have any issue giving you high marks for comp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/23 16:18:54
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Sneaky Kommando
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thats looks like a really fun list, ill have to try it this weekend. not sure if it will much much games, but im sure i'll have lots of fun with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 01:16:22
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Solid list. Would guide or fortune work better than doom on the farseer? You have a bunch of S6 weapons, I'm not sure if you need doom anymore if your already wounding on 2s. Having re-rollable saves is great especially if your turbo boosting, also with the spears costing so much, it would be worth it if you can save a couple more each turn.
How are you getting 6 attacks on a charge with the autarch? Are you couting his shooting as part of the assault?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 06:33:28
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fresh-Faced New User
Waynesboro, VA.
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Thanks Will, I did change the power to Fortune. I didn't use Doom at all in the 4 turns of the game. Army builder has it as 3/4 for just having the Laser lance. And when I buy the Mandiblaster it moves up to 4/5. If Army builder is letting me cheat please let me Know! What I'm thinking is that because he aready has a pistol and the LL is another single CC it's counting that. Thanks for pointing that out. I guest real man don't use Army builder. LOL Here is the IG players list. I'm hoping that I'm not thread jacking by posting my Opp. list here. If I'm doing that please let me know. I just wanted people to see what i was going up against. Junior Officer w/ Honorifica Imperialis and Lp/cc. 4 guards man nothing on them 3 Drop Sentinel Squad w/ auto cannon 2- 6 man Special weapons team w/ 3 meltas each squad Elites 3- 5 man Storm Troopers Squads. 2 squads had plasma and one had meltas Troops Platoon of 4 squads w/ Las and plasma Officer squad had 4 plasma in it Armoured fist w/ Las and Plasma Fast Attack 5 man Rough Riders w/ Hunting lances Heavy 2 Battle tanks 1 Basilisk The poor guy lost 2 of his Drop squads to bad scatters. And another 2 from scattering out of Range to fire his weapons that turn. My next turn I sent 3 jet bikes and 2 SS to kill them. 1 squad hit on target and did nothing to the Fire Prism and the 3 man Sentinel squad couldn't kill a Fire prism either. They only got a Crew Shaken on it. That's why he hated my Fire prism's so much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 06:45:32
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Army builder has it as 3/4 for just having the Laser lance. And when I buy the Mandiblaster it moves up to 4/5. If Army builder is letting me cheat please let me Know! What I'm thinking is that because he aready has a pistol and the LL is another single CC it's counting that. Thanks for pointing that out. I guest real man don't use Army builder. LOL He has 3 attacks, base. The Laser Lance is a one-handed weapon, and he has a pistol available; there are no rules barring him from using two one-handed weapons on a bike (as opposed to the Chaos Codex), which gets him to 3/4. The Mandiblaster adds +1 attack (4/5). Charging adds +1 attack (5/6). You're good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 07:46:47
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Fresh-Faced New User
Waynesboro, VA.
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Thank you Janthkin for the heads up. In all honesty, truth is I was just going by what Army bulilder had down. I really didn't have any real proof why he would have 6 Attacks on the charge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 15:09:07
Subject: RE: A Saim-Hann list for the MD GT.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I missed the fact that he comes with a pistol. Too used to marine commanders having to pay for a pistol.
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