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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 12:28:19
Subject: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So I've been hearing rumblings about this Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar combo and have wanted to field it. Also, it would be a refreshing change of pace from 3 falcons. Please feel free to comment - especially with regards to Godzilla 'Nids, Mech Eldar, Space Marines, and Mech Tau. NOTE: I left skimmer tanks out of it for a variety of reasons (escalation and it would lower my model count). Without further ado, here is the list. HQ Eldrad- 210 Avatar- 155 ELITE 8 Harlequins- 8 kisses, shadowseer 206 TROOPS 2x10 Guardians- Bright Lances- 2x 110 10 Guardians- EML- 100 FAST ATTACK 6 Swooping Hawks- Exarch, skyleap, intercept, sunrifle - 173 8 Warp Spiders- Exarch, dual spinners, withdraw- 208 8 Warp Spiders- Exarch, dual spinners, withdraw- 208 HEAVY SUPPORT 2x Wraithlords- EML, Brightlance 2x 155 3 War Walkers- 3x2 EML - 210 67 Models, 2000 Points. As you can see, troops and heavy support advance near Eldrad and the avatar to benefit from fearless and from the sweet, sweet, sweetness that is Eldrad. Fast attack hits a flank/horde fast and hard and guns especially for indirect fire weapons, other war walkers, and skimmers. Its got 4 brightlances and 8 EMLs for long range anti-tank work, and harlequins for counter-charge. I'm hoping that the enemy. How will it do? I had an alternate version which had one less guardian and warp spider squad in exchange for 2 pathfinder squads. One last question before I go -- just how important is Eldrad to this kind of list? I could get a lot of firepower for that price.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 14:44:22
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Good list -- one problem though. A horde army like Orks would eat you for lunch. You have very little anti horde in this army other than shuricats. You'll have 30 gretchin tie up your big models while Orks kill all your footsloggers that are too slow to get away without transports.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 15:57:17
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Very little anti-horde? Besides 30 shuricats (60 shots), I have 18 web spinners (36 shots), the wraithlord mounted flamers, 9 plasma missile templates, a large blast template from the swooping hawks, and the sunrifle/lasblasters. It's not the usual 8-14 scatter lasers very little anti-horde? I think not.
With an effective 18" range on all those shuricats and casting guide twice and a doom from Eldrad means that I'll kill 30 slugga boys on the turn just from the gaurdian's fire. An effective 24" range on the web spinners kills another 17 slugga boys without any psychic powers from Eldrad. If they somehow weather that storm, They get charged by 3 monstrous creatures and 8 ninja death clowns.
I would be more worried about a fast horde army like lots of hormagaunts or something that could cross the 18" inch kill zone before I could fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 16:08:13
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Orks was a simple first thought army. Although, boys in trucks will roll up on your before you can fire as well with their 21" range of effectiveness. In addition, any Ork army worth their salt will have at least some shooting, killing off some of those. In addition, if you move up to 12" to shoot shuricats at Orks -- that means you're also in charge range of the squad standing next to them. Congrats -- your Guardians and Eldrad just got choppa'd
And yes, Tyranids with fast moving Gaunts will also eat your army up. So you agree with my point, just disagree with my example. I can deal with that. Nonetheless, I think you need some longer ranged AH.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 16:26:32
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The trukks wouldn't make it too far usually... AV 10 is vulnerable to every weapon in the army except lasblasters. I think Orks would have a hard time with this list. Tyranids might have a better run of it if I can't kill their synapse. I'll playtest it and adjust fire as needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/24 17:07:43
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Been Around the Block
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i think the list is good all round i mean even against nids you just have to target the synapse cretures and then the rest of their army will probly run off and if they dont just target squads at a time killling 25% then moving on to the next squad i mean with the nids already fairly low LD they arnt much of a problem with pinning weapons or flamers and stuff that kills alot of stuff at ounce like scatter lasers and shuriken cannons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/25 08:37:41
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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if you already have the models.. try it out. I was thinking however while its possible to feild the elms on the warwalkers... consider scatter lasers, its cheaper and you get more shots, you already have suffiicient anti-tank firepower already. Plus if you are in the least bit worried about nid hordes, waves of landspeeders, cult of speed or even skimmer armies this gives you a leg up with 4 times as much firepower even considering the lower strength you are at least 25% more powerful this way. With the points saved you can get spriit stones for the walkers... stunned results won't be nearly so bad. Maybe go with a pathfinder squad in place of the elm guardian squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/25 10:15:42
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Plastictrees
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Yeah, if you have Eldrad, Avatar, 1+ wraithlords and 30-40 guardians, it doesn't much matter what else you put in your list. Just walk them up the middle.
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"The complete or partial destruction of the enemy must be regarded as the sole object of all engagements.... Direct annihilation of the enemy's forces must always be the dominant consideration." Karl von Clausewitz |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/26 02:23:52
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah, that makes sense. I think I'll drop a Wraithlord, a swooping hawk and the sunrifle which frees up 191 points. With that, I'll get another War Walker squadron with scatter lasers. That means I have 11 points to spare. I'll use that to bump up the Guardian EML to a Bright Lance.
List looks like this now... game hopefully this weekend (I'll have to proxy some of the stuff).
Eldrad Avatar
8 Harlequins- shadowseer, kisses
3x 10 Guardians- bright lances
2x8 Warp Spiders- exarch, dual spinners, withdraw 5 Swooping Hawks- exarch, intercept, skyleap
3 War Walkers- 3x2 Scatter Lasers 3 War Walkers- 3x2 EML Wraithlord- EML, Bright Lance
I'm really not sure how to use Eldrad in this capacity... should i be fortuning the Avatar/ Harlies/ Wraithlord or primarily guiding the War Walkers and dooming approaching threats?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/26 02:32:16
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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i liked it much better with two wraithlords
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/26 07:37:02
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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I like the original list although I finid it just a bit lacking against the MEQ swarm we have in my area. I have been running into lists with 60 to 75 marines from dark angels its a bit rough. I think you would do better with the first list, you have plenty of anti-tank maybe even to much to be honest, and you have alot of nasty big targets.
I would like to see 5 dark reapers with a fully skilled exarch with eldar missile launcher instead of the war walkers. The only thing I have seen it have issues with is 2+ save targets but with all of your birght lances those should disappear pretty quick.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/04/26 10:24:05
Subject: RE: Eldrad/Wraithlord/Avatar footslogging Eldar -- 2000 points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It was sort of tailored against Godzilla 'Nids, hence the number of missile launchers and bright lances. I'll let you know how it goes on Friday.
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