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I take it that Kaptain Badrukk is cast in good ol' Finecast failest of fails and not Forgeworld resin?

It just says Resin. Sometimes stuff specifies Forgeworld Resin, but I don’t know if it’s consistent.

The Bone Giant/Necrolith Colossus for instance is said to be Resin

I think it must be Forgeworld Resin - I can't see GW wanting to use finecast ever again. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't just strip it from the range a decade ago.

I’m trying to think of a model which we know to have been Finecast, and check that.

Maybe the older Phoenix Lords? Except…only the plastic ones are available.

Hmm. Ork Nob with Waaagh! Banner is described as “resin cast”

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Ork-Nob-With-Waaagh-Banner-2018?queryID=f2db80a6e62069cc247cec6e3ee1a553

Compare to Zagstruk, which just says resin (and I just checked!)

Nazgul are Finecast and the store page just says resin. Troll Hag is Forgeworld resin and also just says resin.

The only place I've seen GW state whether or not something is Forgeworld resin is on the community page and even then it doesn't always.

So I'm going to assume Badrukk and Zag are both finecast and not buy them. Not for MTO prices, no way

Tankbusters are FineCast, but description says resin

Forgeworld Resin kits should usually be marked expert Kit 15+ (see the giant that went form metal to FW resin).
Which is ironic, considering failcast GW resin kits are the actual expert kits that can only be salvaged with extensive hobby experience while FW stuff (at least the infantry sized) is usually fine.

They did away with the "Finecast" branding years ago for reasons we all know .

Finecast was a substitute for metal. They utilized a material that could be used with the existing metal moulds as a way to save money. It quickly became known as Failcast due to subpar results we quickly discovered.

I don't think (not an expert) resin can be used in the metal moulds.. These models in question were metal models originally so I would only expect them to be made from 'Failcast' material.

Sarigar wrote:
Finecast was a substitute for metal. They utilized a material that could be used with the existing metal moulds as a way to save money. It quickly became known as Failcast due to subpar results we quickly discovered.

I don't think (not an expert) resin can be used in the metal moulds.. These models in question were metal models originally so I would only expect them to be made from 'Failcast' material.

This is not correct – the moulds used to produce finecast were new, hence the existing metal models having to be reconfigured onto small finecast 'sprues'.

The point was that the new finecast moulds could be used in the same casting machines as were used for metal, but the moulds were new, not the same ones used for metal. Metal models can be reproduced in either finecast-type resin or Forge World resin, since both require new moulds, so something having originally been metal doesn't tell us what new material will be used.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Forgeworld Resin kits should usually be marked expert Kit 15+ (see the giant that went form metal to FW resin).

That's a good good rule of thumb for avoiding failcast. Well spotted 👍

Greenfield wrote:

Sarigar wrote:
Finecast was a substitute for metal. They utilized a material that could be used with the existing metal moulds as a way to save money. It quickly became known as Failcast due to subpar results we quickly discovered.

I don't think (not an expert) resin can be used in the metal moulds.. These models in question were metal models originally so I would only expect them to be made from 'Failcast' material.

This is not correct – the moulds used to produce finecast were new, hence the existing metal models having to be reconfigured onto small finecast 'sprues'.

The point was that the new finecast moulds could be used in the same casting machines as were used for metal, but the moulds were new, not the same ones used for metal. Metal models can be reproduced in either finecast-type resin or Forge World resin, since both require new moulds, so something having originally been metal doesn't tell us what new material will be used.

Sorry. Not an expert as to the manufacturing of miniatures. Not metal moulds, but the casting machines. All the metal models got switched to Finecast.

Good luck to those buying MTO.

Oh, I only buy MTO if they are still metal. Anything in finecast I'll find in metal second hand.

Sadly there are a few models only released in finecast that I otherwise like, but I hate working with the material.

There're still some models with Finecast in their product description like Anrakyr the Traveller, the Branchwraith/Drycha or Sammael.

All of these details are glorious to behold in our premium Citadel Finecast resin.

They may have forgot to rewrite it, though.

Looking at my latest Finecast purchase (Wracks) und my latest non Forgeworld resin purchase (Sslyth, years later): the latter looks clean and I haven't spotted any fault yet (while the Wracks sprue looks really rough, with incomplete parts and a whole missing arm). The resin is bendable still, but so is the recent Forge World resin. It's a bit easier to prepare than new FW models and more so if you look at old ones.

While I'm content with the Sslyth this is of course not a general recommendation. But keep in mind they had subpar metal miniatures (incomplete parts, porous surface), too.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Forgeworld Resin kits should usually be marked expert Kit 15+ (see the giant that went form metal to FW resin).
Which is ironic, considering failcast GW resin kits are the actual expert kits that can only be salvaged with extensive hobby experience while FW stuff (at least the infantry sized) is usually fine.

They did away with the "Finecast" branding years ago for reasons we all know .

Finecast should just be marked Expert Kit 99+ for consistency.

 LunarSol wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Forgeworld Resin kits should usually be marked expert Kit 15+ (see the giant that went form metal to FW resin).
Which is ironic, considering failcast GW resin kits are the actual expert kits that can only be salvaged with extensive hobby experience while FW stuff (at least the infantry sized) is usually fine.

They did away with the "Finecast" branding years ago for reasons we all know .

Finecast should just be marked Expert Kit 99+ for consistency.

"single most sales driving material for Greenstuff and other hobiest filler material in the galaxy."tm

I ordered aun'va and some LI stuff saturday, I got a shipping notice yesterday. I guess that wasn't really MTO then

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/15/prepare-for-matched-play-updates-with-the-next-action-packed-season-of-warhammer-40000/

New mission deck confirmed at last, along with the return of proper rules for actions

Imperial Agents and Deathwatch being rolled in partial evidence?

I'd just like to rip the bandaid off and know either way. Hopefully Satuday.

I still think it's so stupid that AdMech didn't get those Servitors.

I puke a little in my mouth every time the term 'seasons' is used.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I puke a little in my mouth every time the term 'seasons' is used.

It's just how the next generation of players refer to game updates. Its not really anything new, its just how people discuss things online.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I puke a little in my mouth every time the term 'seasons' is used.

This ^^

In a hobby that can take months, years and even decades to collect, build and paint an army. It's sickening to use 'seasons' to churn and burn even quicker than the existing 3 year cycle.

So use the last season's scenarios. It's not like they suddenly stop working, and outside of tournaments you're still going to find plenty of people willing to play them. And it's not like they invalidate your army either.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I puke a little in my mouth every time the term 'seasons' is used.

This ^^

In a hobby that can take months, years and even decades to collect, build and paint an army. It's sickening to use 'seasons' to churn and burn even quicker than the existing 3 year cycle.

Agreed, 100%

I guess that Stormcast line of models that GW Squatted were just so last season!

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I puke a little in my mouth every time the term 'seasons' is used.

This ^^

In a hobby that can take months, years and even decades to collect, build and paint an army. It's sickening to use 'seasons' to churn and burn even quicker than the existing 3 year cycle.

Agreed, 100%

I guess that Stormcast line of models that GW Squatted were just so last season!

I appreciate the snarky humour, but they're revealing new sculpts for some of the squatted units already.

But unironically, 2 editions old is now kinda last season though, right or wrong.

Laughing Man wrote:
So use the last season's scenarios. It's not like they suddenly stop working, and outside of tournaments you're still going to find plenty of people willing to play them. And it's not like they invalidate your army either.

I suspect you've missed the point - people are objecting more to the use of "seasons" as terminology than to the updated mission deck, though some may also be objecting to that.

Man, GW simply can't win.

I remember when the editions/codex lasted years, and the public was clamoring for GW to engage the tournament scene...

 whembly wrote:
Man, GW simply can't win.

They're winning pretty well, they've conditioned the fan base to buy a new non-fix to their intentionally non-functional rules in 6 or 3 month intervals or whatever it is now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Man, GW simply can't win.

They're winning pretty well, they've conditioned the fan base to buy a new non-fix to their intentionally non-functional rules in 6 or 3 month intervals or whatever it is now.

About a year this time tbf, this is only the 2nd mission pack of 10th so the previous ‘season’ lasted longer than they were in 9th which iirc was quarterly and rather ridiculous.

Of course the whole edition is probably going to roll over in another year which is more frustrating…