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2016/01/02 17:57:36
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Galaxy in Flames, Sons of Horus, First Heretic, Deliverance Lost, Prospero Burns, Thousand Sons, Flight of the Eisenstein, False Gods...those are the sorts of books I want.
I would literally(figuratively) murder someone if it would get me a proper actual-novel sequel to Legion.
...well, I was about to say "Me too!" but I'll just commit to really, really wanting that too.
Seems less likely than ever though, now that Dan's kinda sorta moved on.
I know that was probably inevitable, you can't expect someone as prolific as him to focus most of their attention on one IP forever, but I think it's going to be a real blow to BL's dwindling creativity. I saw Dan as kind of a literary John Blanche; not to everyone's taste(though certainly to mine) and occasionally missed the mark slightly, but in terms of adding new, weird, interesting stuff to the setting a pretty big deal. Hopefully these rumblings that they're spinning off the "tie-in" books(ie the "This is the model that was made in a story, it is awesome in the story, so you should buy the model. Also here is a cameo by another model you should buy." ones) and refocusing BL on the kind of fluff-expanding material they built their success on are A; true, and B; lead to them discovering a few new Dan Abnetts and CL Werners.
EDIT: And as for those Pharos "tidbits";
Spoiler:
...I contend nobody is missing very much. As I said over on B&C that scene between Wingsman and Emo Boy was really confusing to me, because it reads like the sort of thing full-on God Botherers write into their stories when they want to use their fiction to bash atheists, but Haley doesn't appear to be a full-on God Botherer. I just can't work out why he would think it was a good idea to lift a real strawman mischaracterisation of a real philosophical argument(ie the incompatibility of the notion of a benevolent creator deity who is also omniscient) and then write the scene between a literal angel and a rotten-toothed, stinking, amoral psychopath as if to reinforce the intended slight of the real strawman. Is it meant to be a counterpoint to the people who totally missed the point of the Heresy who were complaining that the whole Imperial Truth angle was "atheist propaganda" or something? Or did I just miss some subtext?
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2016/01/02 23:39:13
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
With all the other obligations he has, it is not too surprising that Dan Abnett is going to be doing less for BL. I have generally enjoyed his work, but his desire and need to do other things is understandable.
While I know most fanboys salivate over Aaron Dembski-Bowden, mostly for his forum responsiveness, the writer I've enjoyed most over the last few years is Guy Haley (Baneblade, Skarsnik).
2016/01/02 23:50:34
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
People think the Horus Heresy is "atheist propaganda"???
If anything, its the opposite. Gods are objectively shown to exist in the Warhammer universe, or at least higher beings that are as close to gods as its possible to get.
2016/01/03 02:10:44
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
totalfailure wrote: With all the other obligations he has, it is not too surprising that Dan Abnett is going to be doing less for BL. I have generally enjoyed his work, but his desire and need to do other things is understandable.
While I know most fanboys salivate over Aaron Dembski-Bowden, mostly for his forum responsiveness, the writer I've enjoyed most over the last few years is Guy Haley (Baneblade, Skarsnik).
ADB, Guy Haley (let this man write Tau, instead of Phil Kelly!) Steve Parker, and Chris Wraight are probably the upper tier of current BL writers.
2016/01/03 04:52:16
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
If anything, its the opposite. Gods are objectively shown to exist in the Warhammer universe, or at least higher beings that are as close to gods as its possible to get.
Not as much these days, but in the first couple of years of releases when they were still(in-fiction) playing the whole Imperial Truth angle relatively straight, I had the misfortune to run into a few folk who made that kind of argument. I suspect they're the same types who would ban their kids from reading Harry Potter because it "encourages Satanism" or whatever(rather than for the perfectly rational reason that the author is a scumbag who doesn't deserve any more money).
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2016/01/03 06:02:48
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
I don't know if I share that view, but I could see why some people may have it. The books are pretty explicit in showing how prosperous the Imperium was under the Imperial Truth. Gods are proven to exist, but their influence is also explicitly malicious and harmful to mankind's growth.
2016/01/03 10:27:25
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
...I contend nobody is missing very much. As I said over on B&C that scene between Wingsman and Emo Boy was really confusing to me, because it reads like the sort of thing full-on God Botherers write into their stories when they want to use their fiction to bash atheists, but Haley doesn't appear to be a full-on God Botherer. I just can't work out why he would think it was a good idea to lift a real strawman mischaracterisation of a real philosophical argument(ie the incompatibility of the notion of a benevolent creator deity who is also omniscient) and then write the scene between a literal angel and a rotten-toothed, stinking, amoral psychopath as if to reinforce the intended slight of the real strawman. Is it meant to be a counterpoint to the people who totally missed the point of the Heresy who were complaining that the whole Imperial Truth angle was "atheist propaganda" or something? Or did I just miss some subtext?
Spoiler:
I think what I take from any discussion in the BLHH books of if the Emperor knew and even if he planned/allowed for the Hersey has nothing to do with any sort of our world God(s) or even anything to do with Gods in the 30/40k universe who are in that scope are provably real. In the 30/40k universe you don't need to be anywhere near a God level being to be able to see into the future, Farseers being the obvious, easy example.
What I took from the discussion between The Angel and Curze was simple debate of if those two Primarchs, who both have varying degrees of foresight "inherited" from their Father believed that the Emperor knew what would happen based on their own abilities. The take away being that they both agree that he did, and the Angel thinking it didn't matter whereas Curze did. Curze's main argument was that his entire path was predetermined by his Father's choices, him being sent to an amoral hell hole, never given parents, given a legion made up of psychos, given oppressive compliance missions, damning him regardless. I don't see that as any different from many other works of classical fiction where a particular child (usually a step child) is given the end of the stick.
Obviously what you take from the books is business, but it was never the point of my comment to put forward such a strawman as the function of that discussion from the book.
2016/01/03 13:50:30
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
What's to come in 201603/01/16
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2) The Beast Arises. We're one book into the massive 12-novel event series and already we've seen a Space Marine Chapter exterminated and a world destroyed. What more is there to come over the remaining volumes? A lot. An awful lot.
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2016/01/05 12:50:22
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
We're aware there are a few gaps in the hardback series. Don't worry, you should start to see some of the missing novels on the way later this year
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2016/01/05 15:37:27
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
We're aware there are a few gaps in the hardback series. Don't worry, you should start to see some of the missing novels on the way later this year
True dat. Thanks for mentioning that.
They also said book 33 is coming soon and 34 Pharos was ready early/at Xmas so they released it. Whatever, got a great book and enjoying it. But it's awesome to see BL on Facebook engaging it's fans or detractors. And to be fair, the venom has not been to heavy against BL on Facebook. It's nice to see questions and some answers along with the occasional seasoning of constructive feedback
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2016/01/05 22:12:40
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
We're aware there are a few gaps in the hardback series. Don't worry, you should start to see some of the missing novels on the way later this year
I sweartagod if most of this "So. Much. HERESY!" blurb they've been pitching at us for the coming year turns out to be hardback format shifts for the old novels, I may get so angry I have a stroke.
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2016/01/06 07:25:57
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
We're aware there are a few gaps in the hardback series. Don't worry, you should start to see some of the missing novels on the way later this year
I sweartagod if most of this "So. Much. HERESY!" blurb they've been pitching at us for the coming year turns out to be hardback format shifts for the old novels, I may get so angry I have a stroke.
It'll be worse than that, it'll be eBook novella's and crap like that.
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2016/01/06 17:35:03
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Honestly I do appreciate the actual reading order for the Heresy. Not that I'm likely to go back and read it all or anything from day 1 but I do appreciate the order.
In some ways I'd be the crazy person when life slowed down that read the entire thing on ebook. If they'd ever finish the damned thing....
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I must have missed the move to $16 ebooks....
Which means I probably wouldn't buy the entire series. gak, some are almost $20....
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2016/01/06 18:53:59
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
The complete set isn't *that* badly priced at £219 for 29 novels, 16 novellas and 76 Quick Reads. Even if you discount the quick reads entirely and halve the novellas you end up with 37 books @ an average of £5.92 each.
Looky Likey wrote: The complete set isn't *that* badly priced at £219 for 29 novels, 16 novellas and 76 Quick Reads. Even if you discount the quick reads entirely and halve the novellas you end up with 37 books @ an average of £5.92 each.
So if you're willing to drop 200 quid in one go, you can get all the ebooks a whole 7 pence each cheaper than we paid for the physical books back when the series started. What a deal!
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2016/01/07 01:00:48
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Yeah, I'm normally pretty on the opposite side of everything yodhrin says but in this case that's kinda nuts. Also I've bought 2 or three already so the discount is lower. I didn't mind the few I bought initially because they were newly released and in line with new ebooks that's hardback just came out. Those prices are supposed to drop when you get paperbacks....
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2016/01/07 07:35:38
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Compared to other mainstream publishers BL are broadly inline with their ebook and physical book prices so its an industry wide problem. Amazon tried pushing down the price of ebooks but they had a lot of push back and had several publishers yank their entire range.
As inflation is a thing, the mass market older paperbacks currently go for around £6.50 on Amazon, over 37 books you'd save around £18, considerably more if you factor in having to buy some as trade paperbacks (~£9.50) and hardbacks(~£15+). Also not all of those books are available as mass markets yet or likely to be so in the same format, meaning you've a long wait on your hands if you want them as mass market paperbacks. Speed of availability and convenience usually result in price bumps.
I think the biggest problem with this set is the sticker shock, £200 is a lot of money to most people, and it makes it hard to look past the value the set offers if you don't already own some of the books, which is going to be a limited number of people.
2016/01/07 08:02:58
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
I would likely pay £200-odd if I was getting real books in the right size, but not for a bunch of poorly-formatted eBooks.
"Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us."
"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh haven't you?"
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
2016/01/07 09:58:02
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
The Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard were Legions and not Chapters. The Imperial Fists at this time would have been split into Chapters of 1000 marines, so much easier to rebuild. I say much easier but you know what I mean
I haven't read the book so I might be wrong. I think that would fit the time line.
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2016/01/07 11:37:40
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
The fists being around 1000 marines and all involved in the campaign at once, first time since the HH that they left nobody on the walls of Imperial Palace. So they are mostly wiped out at this point.
However I would guess that a few of the IF will survive the campaign and rebuild the Chapter, possibly taking reenforcements from the successor chapters?
2016/01/07 11:47:19
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
The fists being around 1000 marines and all involved in the campaign at once, first time since the HH that they left nobody on the walls of Imperial Palace. So they are mostly wiped out at this point.
However I would guess that a few of the IF will survive the campaign and rebuild the Chapter, possibly taking reenforcements from the successor chapters?
Spoiler:
Yeah I guess this is what they would do, pull in marines from their successors which are still Fists but with another name. The Iron Hands and the like didn't have the option of having a spare few Chapters of Geneseed sharing fellows around after Istvaan/
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2016/01/07 12:19:22
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
@ Pilau and Looky, yes i suspect that to be the case then.
One odd thing, i am pretty up to date with the HH stuff, if its the main novels (i only have a few of the novelleas in hardback if they look interesting.
However i am about to start deathfire after i finish Rebirth fancy first run edition by Nick Kyme, and i am halfway through armageddon by ADB (bought it over xmas as was away with fiancee and finished I am slaughter).
However i am at a loss as to where book no 33 has gone, i see #34 on the BL site, but no 33.
Hmm. Also i am a bit sick of the HH being strained into so many little novellas and e-books, as i tend to not read them, especially as a main HB novel is hitting £30 a time!
2016/01/07 12:39:57
Subject: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Re: I Am Slaughter the answer is, yes and there a 11 books still come. This sparked a lot of thoutful discussion on Bolter & Chainsword if you want to check it out. It's absolutely normal to have the same question as you did looking at book 1. Looking fwd to book 2 Saturday!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also book 33 is to be released soon, BL says on their Facebook page. It's just that 34 Pharos was ready early, even bough it is still at the printers, so they released the ebook as a holiday gift, so to say. I can't say what is coming but I do know from the small fan BL convention in November they held some HH stuff because of BaC and that info getting released, so we should have a lot coming. While I'm betting some ll be previous content I am optimistic we will get enough good content to make up for the last year. Staying positive
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2016/01/07 13:34:14
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Looky Likey wrote: If you are prepared to wait the mass market paperbacks will not cost that much more than that for the complete set.
What ebook reader are you using? The BL books look fine on my Kindle, ebook codexes on my tablet not so good.
I use Aldiko, and what I find is that where there is a gap in the narrative, like when you cut from one scene to another, that gap isn't there - one minute you're reading about one thing, the next line you're reading something else, the gap you'd have on the printed page isn't there.
There follows a mental crunching of gears as you work out what just happened...
re Book 33, even though they haven't published it yet, why didn't they still include it in the list? If nothing else it would stop all of us asking the obvious question...
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"Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us."
"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh haven't you?"
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
2016/01/07 14:00:46
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Sounds weird, I just tried Aldiko on my Android phone (I don't normally read books on it) and I get a gap at the bottom of the page between chapters and sections, see attached as there is a larger than normal area of white space and then the next chapter starts on a new page.
2016/01/07 14:07:08
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Looky Likey wrote: Compared to other mainstream publishers BL are broadly inline with their ebook and physical book prices so its an industry wide problem.
Not quite true. In general when an ebook is released with it's hardback it's generally in the $12-$13 range and doesn't give discounts (similar to the hard back which you can get with discounts off the at for around $18-$19. But when the book finally goes paperback the ebook price drops to between $8 and $10 US. GW's price doesn't drop when they release the paperback.
But yes, Ebooks are oddly expensive. I just don't want to pay $6 more each book because GW!
Maybe me and a couple of friends will go in together and buy the series and then all download it. That drops the price significantly.
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2016/01/07 14:17:10
Subject: Re: Black Library News and Rumours Thread: p54 new Garro book
Looky Likey wrote: Sounds weird, I just tried Aldiko on my Android phone (I don't normally read books on it) and I get a gap at the bottom of the page between chapters and sections, see attached as there is a larger than normal area of white space and then the next chapter starts on a new page.
Oh, I get gaps between chapters - a new chapter is a new page, it's the gaps between scenes. I just checked on my phone, and I now seem to have uneven gaps between pages, where gaps shouldn't be. Some pages fill the screen, others have a gap of two or three lines, where there shouldn't be a gap at all. This is one of many reasons why I hate eBooks.
"Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us."
"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh haven't you?"
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
end of the stick.
This sparked a lot of thoutful discussion on Bolter & Chainsword if you want to check it out. It's absolutely normal to have the same question as you did looking at book 1. Looking fwd to book 2 Saturday!