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Looky Likey

 reds8n wrote:
.... possibly confirms some of the darker theories about the HH/the big E
Feels pretty nailed on to me:
Spoiler:
that the main details of the Heresey were pre planned/expected by the Sigillite and Emperor, otherwise they look like chumps.

In the Daemonology short story the Sigillite tells Mortarion of the planned Council of Nikaea, but it feels like Daemonology is set ~70 years in the past? Which would confirm that it was all planned.

I liked how the Sigillite was focused on the past, and Emperor focused on future, that the heads of the Aquila represent both of them
   
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Canterbury

Oh indeed.


.. or that could, of course, all be lies.

..that said

https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/941717503847231488

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Looky Likey

Quite a big chunk of the theory has been covered in other books here and there, I suspect it is:
Spoiler:
the involvement of chaos that they did not expect, and that who would/wouldn't turn as Chaos influenced the sides. I'm fairly sure they did not expect Magnus to project into the Palace as he was meant to be the giant battery, no way the Emperor would put something Chaos tainted on the throne. The fact that in Old Earth the Emperor spells out to Vulkan that Vulkan is the self destruct button for the Throne at the End of Times means a huge amount of planning has already gone into the contingency planning for their strategy to protect Mankind from Chaos, at least before the Primarchs were born.
   
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Svalarheima, MA

 reds8n wrote:


I'll give a shout out to the previously mentioned Malcador audio drama by Mr Goulding -- that is very good indeed.

.... possibly confirms some of the darker theories about the HH/the big E.



I'll probably never listen/read that one, so please feel free to spoiler that here for us!

Please?

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spoilers are spoilerific

Spoiler:


Malcador is over 6000 years old, he actually knows down to the exact minute.

The Emperor was not the Emperor until he met Malcodor, he was just another Terran Warlord "by another name." Of course we've known the Emp had various names/roles prior to his seizing of Terra.

The Sigilite Order is in place to look back at history to ensure mistakes are not repeated. This is because the Emperor must/ is always looking forward.

Thusly the Imperial Aquila missing and eye so that it cannot look back.

The Horus Heresy was always in the Emperor's and Malcador's plans. The only practical way to get rid of the astartes.

The Great Crusade was a plan to retake the stars for Humanity and not post-humanity.

The Primarchs were not created equal and favour was deliberately spread to certain ones to stoke rage in the others.

Those that were not worthy were always destined to be killed or plotted to be on suicide missions/ away from the Imperium.
There's an implication that this ties into the 2 missing ones : either they actually did what they needed to do and so were surplus to requirements.. or perhaps refused their role ?

I guess it's possible in fact they were made just to be killed/removed as a warning to the others perhaps ?


The only issue was that the Emp & Malcador underestimated Chaos' power and how much it elevated some of the Primarchs, sped up some deaths & changed some plans.

Though he claims that things are still on course and/or going to plan.

Then the biggest reveal; some of the above is lies; told to a woman on her deathbed to bring her peace



Some of this has indeed been hinted at or referred to before.

edit :

oh yeah

Spoiler:

Alum Karpin -- he's in the in universe author of the FW HH books yeah ?


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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
A great Hope fell
You heard no noise
The Ruin was within.
 
   
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Looky Likey

I suspect that this is one of the lies:

 reds8n wrote:

Spoiler:

Though he claims that things are still on course and/or going to plan.



I thought one of the books on Russ implied that
Spoiler:
The Space Wolves had wiped out at least one other legion previously? Most likely one of the missing two? What has never sat well for me is that they were struck from the record, yet the Traitor Legions have not been.

 reds8n wrote:

Spoiler:

There's an implication that this ties into the 2 missing ones : either they actually did what they needed to do and so were surplus to requirements.. or perhaps refused their role ?

I guess it's possible in fact they were made just to be killed/removed as a warning to the others perhaps ?



   
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Canterbury

That certainly was one implication.

But bear in mind there was also the idea that the Ultras got very big very quickly -- nudge nudge wink wink -- or it could've been a reference to the incident with Angron and the WE.


that said ...

Spoiler:

Perhaps either/both/all those happened in some way, it would certainly make sense for the the Rout -- if they were indeed the executioners of the Emp -- to have at least some practise fighting other astartes.



The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
A great Hope fell
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The Ruin was within.
 
   
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Svalarheima, MA

I must admit, while I was initially 100% on board for all of this HH stuff, a lot of the 'big reveals' have been *VERY* disappointing so far, with the one big reveal that I actually liked being (allegedly) very much not liked by many other authors and has since been effectively undone.

Too much mystery revealed, if that makes sense.

Still, holding out hope for a fantastic ending, and then moving on to other things.

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so did they killed off gabriel?



Edit 1: ... wait is this why BA didn't get chapter rules for flesh tearers?

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 aracersss wrote:
so did they killed off gabriel?



Edit 1: ... wait is this why BA didn't get chapter rules for flesh tearers?


He's alive as of the end of the story.
   
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Looky Likey

 reds8n wrote:
That certainly was one implication.

But bear in mind there was also the idea that the Ultras got very big very quickly -- nudge nudge wink wink -- or it could've been a reference to the incident with Angron and the WE.


that said ...

Spoiler:

Perhaps either/both/all those happened in some way, it would certainly make sense for the the Rout -- if they were indeed the executioners of the Emp -- to have at least some practise fighting other astartes.


My take on that was that:
Spoiler:

one Legion was wiped out by Russ, and the other absorbed by the Ultramarines. I can't remember which book, I think its one of the HH Black Books but I am far from sure, had the two missing Legion names removed in different ways. I took that to mean that they faced different ends, the one that Russ wiped out the entire Legion had gone completely bad, whereas with the one absorbed it was just the Primarch that they had issues with, most likely when they found him. Obviously I might have the wrong end of the stick here!

What I don't remember is if it was just the World Eaters, or both the World Eaters and Space Wolves that wiped out the Thunder Warriors?
   
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 Looky Likey wrote:
 reds8n wrote:
That certainly was one implication.

But bear in mind there was also the idea that the Ultras got very big very quickly -- nudge nudge wink wink -- or it could've been a reference to the incident with Angron and the WE.


that said ...

Spoiler:

Perhaps either/both/all those happened in some way, it would certainly make sense for the the Rout -- if they were indeed the executioners of the Emp -- to have at least some practise fighting other astartes.


My take on that was that:
Spoiler:

one Legion was wiped out by Russ, and the other absorbed by the Ultramarines. I can't remember which book, I think its one of the HH Black Books but I am far from sure, had the two missing Legion names removed in different ways. I took that to mean that they faced different ends, the one that Russ wiped out the entire Legion had gone completely bad, whereas with the one absorbed it was just the Primarch that they had issues with, most likely when they found him. Obviously I might have the wrong end of the stick here!

What I don't remember is if it was just the World Eaters, or both the World Eaters and Space Wolves that wiped out the Thunder Warriors?


Spoiler:
I thought the Thunder Warriors were built with an expiration date and just died out, or were reduced to a negligible number? I thought I read that in The Outcast Dead, but I could be wrong. Its been awhile!

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Canterbury

That certainly sounds right/familiar.


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cerberus_Insurrection

is the WE vs Thunder warrior fight.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thunder_Warriors



The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
A great Hope fell
You heard no noise
The Ruin was within.
 
   
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Looky Likey

That's the one I'm thinking off, from Betrayal.
   
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I think that Leman's pups boasts about fighting other astartes are related to their fight with WE where Leman was almost killed by Angron. One of FW books strongly hints that the lost legions were eliminated during the fight with some extremaly dangerous xenos where also DA (the strongest legion) were decimated, As to TW, they were culled by Custodes with suport from all nascent legions.
   
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 Shadow Walker wrote:
I think that Leman's pups boasts about fighting other astartes are related to their fight with WE where Leman was almost killed by Angron. One of FW books strongly hints that the lost legions were eliminated during the fight with some extremaly dangerous xenos where also DA (the strongest legion) were decimated, As to TW, they were culled by Custodes with suport from all nascent legions.


But why would that result in them being so shrouded in mystery?

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tneva82 wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
I think that Leman's pups boasts about fighting other astartes are related to their fight with WE where Leman was almost killed by Angron. One of FW books strongly hints that the lost legions were eliminated during the fight with some extremaly dangerous xenos where also DA (the strongest legion) were decimated, As to TW, they were culled by Custodes with suport from all nascent legions.


But why would that result in them being so shrouded in mystery?

Because it would not be good for morale when some xenos could wipe out 2 legions and their bosses. Especially so early in the crusade.
   
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Those xenos would be the Khrave, who are described as being fething terrifying. They also were not wiped out in the GC, only heavily decimated, so I hold out hope for them one day being added to 40k. A xenos race that could knock the First Legion from being the largest and most powerful Legion by a long way into a fairly average Legion in power? That is a damn powerful xenos species!

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I really just wanted to make this exact model and I don't know what I would do if he turned out to be a smelly, one-legged frog with a shotgun p*nis.
I still don't understand the context of this phrase... but Slaanesh! 
   
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No, it was the Rangdan Xenocides that the Dark Angels were so depleted in, against the ‘Rangdan Cerabvores’. The Space Wolves, Death Guard and War Hounds were involved too.
   
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Huh, now I'm gonna have to check my books, because I thought the Rangdan Xenocides were against the Khrave, and Rangdan referred to the region of space.

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 ChargerIIC wrote:
If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
 Bruticus wrote:
I really just wanted to make this exact model and I don't know what I would do if he turned out to be a smelly, one-legged frog with a shotgun p*nis.
I still don't understand the context of this phrase... but Slaanesh! 
   
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 Haighus wrote:
Huh, now I'm gonna have to check my books, because I thought the Rangdan Xenocides were against the Khrave, and Rangdan referred to the region of space.


This is from Inferno, the SW section:

The turning point for the legion perhaps came during and after the Rangdan Xenocides of the 860s. At last the Expeditionary fleets had breached the Eastern Fringe of the galaxy and in doing so had attracted the attention of the Rangdan Cerabvores, a species of such macabre power and technologcial might it seemed, for a time at least, that the Imperium had met its doom. Facing waves of attackes from the galactic east and north, and suffering losses that would not be exceeded until the dark days of the Heresy, the wars of the Rangdan Xenocides were the most terrible of any yet fought.

Whole Expeditionary fleets went to their deaths without a single survivor, worlds were laid waste, dozens of Titan Legions were obliterated and by the end entire Space Marine Legions [REDACTED SECTION] lost to the Imperium. Much of what happened during this abyssal conflict is still locked under seal, but what can be said is that with the breaking of the Labyrinth of Night by the Emperor, the threat was at last stymied. What remained was for the Rangdan taint to be purged in a subsequent decade-long series of bio-pogroms that left entire human inhabited sectors lifeless to ensure what was hoped to be a final victory. It was then given to the Space Wolves of the VIth and the Dark Angels of the Ist - the latter who had suffered themselves so very dreadfully against the horror - to conduct these purges, these two Legions entrusted above all others to do what had to be done.

Horus and his Legion, who had been otherwise occupied in the ongoing wars in the galactic west, were now firmly in the ascendance in the eyes of the Great Crusade, and with him and those other Legions who retained their strength having not suffered at the Rangdan’s hands did the future of the next few decades of conquest and expansion now rest.
   
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Yeah, I got my wires crossed Galactic East eh? Almost sounds like they are fleeing something even more apocalyptic...

Don't the Tyranids come from the Eastern Fringe..?

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
 Bruticus wrote:
I really just wanted to make this exact model and I don't know what I would do if he turned out to be a smelly, one-legged frog with a shotgun p*nis.
I still don't understand the context of this phrase... but Slaanesh! 
   
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Got the malcador audio story. First for me. Not sure what to think of revelations. Otoh does explain emperor's actions better than he's idiot. Otoh feels like it lessens tragedy of it all which is what i like about horus heresy

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Geez, there was a new Audio drama of a Wanderer/Wood elf in ShadeSpire yesterday and I hear about it everywhere but the place for my main BL info. (I.E. here)

Also, can't seem to access BL site from my mobile from my phone anymore. That happen to anyone else?
   
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https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/nagash-the-undying-king-ebook.html


Nagash: The Undying King
A Warhammer Age of Sigmar novel

In the Realm of Death, the Rictus clans face their most relentless enemy ever, and even the intervention of two of the Great Necromancer’s Mortarchs might not be enough to turn back the lumbering minions of the Plague God. Where is Nagash, the Undying King, when the people of Shyish need him most?

READ IT BECAUSE
It's a look at day to day life in the Realm of Death – and even there, the winds of Chaos sweep across the lands and bring ruin. And Josh Reynolds writing Nagash's servants is never less than entertaining
THE STORY
Since the dark days of the Great Awakening, the scattered remnants of humanity have clung to a bleak existence, surviving howsoever they can, no matter what the cost. Tamra, a voivode of the Rictus clans, fights one last, desperate battle for the survival of her tribe, the Drak. Now her people face their most relentless enemy ever – the lumbering minions of the Plague God. Where is their lord Nagash, the Undying King, when his people need him most? As the gods and their servants vie for power in the Mortal Realms, Tamra is drawn into a deadly game between life and death, as beings long thought gone start to exert their powers once again.

Written by Josh Reynolds

This novel was previously available as a Warhammer World-exclusive limited edition.

The hardback and MP3 will be available to order from the 3rd March




The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
A great Hope fell
You heard no noise
The Ruin was within.
 
   
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https://www.trackofwords.com/2017/12/25/the-primarchs-audio-dramas-with-robbie-macniven-laurie-goulding-and-ian-st-martin/

nice little interview about the 3 primarch related audios this advent.


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e-format early release, hardback in Jan :


Sons of the Hydra
An Alpha Legion ePremiere!

Alpha legionnaire Occam the Untrue leads his warband out of its hunting grounds in the Maelstrom on an epic quest for salvation, not just for himself, but for his whole Legion.

READ IT BECAUSE
It's a novel about the sneakiest and most oblique of traitors, written by Rob Sanders, master of the twisty-turny tale. It's sure to make your head spin…

THE STORY
In the hostile universe of the 41st millennium, where allegiances are ever fickle, few of the Emperor’s sons are more difficult to understand or predict than the Alpha Legion. Branded traitor since the Heresy, their motives and actions have always been shrouded in mystery. Alpha Legionnaire Occam the Untrue leads his warband out of its hunting grounds in the Maelstrom on an epic quest for salvation, not just for himself, but for his whole Legion. With the forces of the Inquisition snapping at their heels, Occam and his followers must use all their guile and considerable martial prowess as they make their way to the cold heart of the galaxy, to a confrontation that no one, least of all Occam himself, could have foreseen.


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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
A great Hope fell
You heard no noise
The Ruin was within.
 
   
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Svalarheima, MA

I want to believe but...

Previous treatment of the Alpha Legion
Current treatment of the Alpha Legion
Rob Sanders

Expectations set very, very low...

The Alpha Legion had so much potential, but almost all gone now, like tears in rain...

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The Serpent Beneath is the only Rob Sanders AL story I know and I really liked that.
   
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Svalarheima, MA

Yeah, that one isn't that good - it is part of the 'problem' of the post Legion Legion.

It was definitely a deliberate step on the de-Abnetting the Alpha Legion road.

I...do not like.

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