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  There are three armies that can deepstrike skimmers: Marines, Necron, and Dark Eldar. Both FAQ's for the Dark Eldar and Marines state that skimmers that deepstrike are moving more than 6 inches a turn, thus can only be glanced. There is nothing mentioned about a Monolith.

  I would presume that the same would apply to the Monolith, but a couple friends disagree. They say that it can NEVER move more than 6 inches a turn, so it can still be penetrated.

  What do you all think?

Well, the dark eldar and marine skimmers that can deepstrike are fast vehicles, and therefore actually capabale of moving over 6" under normal game terms, which the monolith is not.

Of course, that proves nothing.

But, unlike armor 10 open-top skimmers, the monolith has pretty solid protection from penetrating hits as it is, so I don't think it needs any help.

i think they need an FAQ for it

 

1st flying high was only 12"

so things that dropped from say thunderhawks like speeders and such only counted for moving 12"

 

2nd they have recently changed this rule now saying that skimmers that DS move over 12" thus preventing them from shooting when they arrive

 

3rd you have a rules conflict a monolith can only ever move 6", but a skimmer DSing now counts as moving over 12"

so GW need to clarify it as it is yet another poorly written rule with little thought given to already printed rules.

 

as always you can dice off for it like GW says to do in these situations

First of all, the Dark Eldar ruling is in the codex, not in the FAQ.

Secondly, FAQs only apply to the codex they're written for unless the wording indicates otherwise. Therefore the Space Marine FAQ only applies to Land Speeders and no other skimmers.

Since neither of these apply to skimmers in general, why would they apply to a Monolith? They don't. There is no rule that would increase the Monolith's speed just because it Deep Strikes.

true it just deepstrikes really slowly,

Being Necron, are you sure it dosn't just appear from nothingingness out of a greenish heatshimmer, accompanied by a muffled "WhuWhuWhuWhuuummmfff" noise?

Posted By Balzac on 06/03/2007 4:46 PM
Being Necron, are you sure it dosn't just appear from nothingingness out of a greenish heatshimmer, accompanied by a muffled "WhuWhuWhuWhuuummmfff" noise?

Sounds pretty slow to me. Clearly it didnt move at all when deepstriking.

Thats what it says in my necron codex " The monolith counts as stationary when deepstriking".

I wrote it in 6 different colors of crayon. Its a rainbow medley of awesome.

I love crayons.

Posted By Hellfury on 06/03/2007 9:50 PM

I love crayons.

Absolutely.  They taste great with paste!

So... basically it appears out of thin air like a TARDIS... cool. You can punch it the turn it shows up.

Oh, that would be a fun army theme! The TARDIS for the monolith, and Daleks for the Necrons! With a big Dalek for the Necron Lord.

Exterminate!

Posted By Antonin on 06/04/2007 6:38 AM
Oh, that would be a fun army theme! The TARDIS for the monolith, and Daleks for the Necrons! With a big Dalek for the Necron Lord.

Exterminate!

I dont see why not. Citadel made Daleks and Metal men in a box set many moons ago. Kinda ugly, but very tournament legal.

ALL vehicles entering play via deepstrike are considered as having moved over 12".

Plastic Daleks and Cybermen! 1989 ownzors your plastic boxed units!

http://solegends.com/citcat89/c890002plastics.htm

I will have to leave work and actually look in my rulebook before I can contribute to the actual topic.

Posted By 5thelement on 06/04/2007 12:48 PM
ALL vehicles entering play via deepstrike are considered as having moved over 12".

Is that a rules quote?  If so, do you have a page reference?

I think he's referring to the C:SM FAQ questiong regarding landspeeders and extrapolating that to the rest of the game.....?

Sal.

Posted By skyth on 06/04/2007 4:37 PM

Posted By 5thelement on 06/04/2007 12:48 PM
ALL vehicles entering play via deepstrike are considered as having moved over 12".

Is that a rules quote?  If so, do you have a page reference?

Given that they had to FAQ both the SM and the DE codexes to get that, I doubt that there is a rules quote.

One school of thought is that because 2 of the other 3 armies that have deep striking skimmers, who count as moving more than 12" on the turn that they deepstrike, therefore all skimmers that deep strike count as moving more than 12" on the turn they arrive.

You could just as easily assume that deep striking skimmers count as moving their full movement.  (In which case, the monolith still gets to act normally.)

And the two that move more than 12" on the turn that they arrive are Fast vehicles that can move over 12" already.

Posted By Balzac on 06/04/2007 12:10 AM

Posted By Hellfury on 06/03/2007 9:50 PM

I love crayons.

Absolutely.  They taste great with paste!

Exalt!

Here, eat a crayon with me...

You get the green one, 'cause it tastes like boogers.

()  )) CRAYOLA ))  )>

Posted By Tiderian on 06/04/2007 6:04 PM

Posted By skyth on 06/04/2007 4:37 PM

Posted By 5thelement on 06/04/2007 12:48 PM
ALL vehicles entering play via deepstrike are considered as having moved over 12".

Is that a rules quote?  If so, do you have a page reference?

Given that they had to FAQ both the SM and the DE codexes to get that, I doubt that there is a rules quote.

One school of thought is that because 2 of the other 3 armies that have deep striking skimmers, who count as moving more than 12" on the turn that they deepstrike, therefore all skimmers that deep strike count as moving more than 12" on the turn they arrive.

You could just as easily assume that deep striking skimmers count as moving their full movement.  (In which case, the monolith still gets to act normally.)

Actually, only the SM codex was FAQ'd, and only the SM Landspeeder is considered to have moved over 12" when it deep strikes.  The rules for the Screaming Jets upgrade for DE vehicles is in the codex, and it includes the line that the vehicle is considered to have moved more than 6" on the turn it deepstrikes.

So really, there is only one precedent for thinking that a deepstriking vehicle is moving over 12", and one for it having moved over 6".

Unfortunately, these are both specific to a single vehicle, and their wording doesn't even imply that it should apply to any other vehicles.

Sal.

()  )) CRA\

Damn, I'm out of paste......

The Monolith is described as "ponderous". This is in its profile.
This suggests it always moves this way?

As an ex-necron player myself, I would not expect any imp guard player to downgrade his lascannon penetrating hit , just because a SM codex describing landspeeder deepstrike has a reference to moving fast.

Applying a rule from a fast attack vehicle to a ponderous, tank is a bit of a stretch. Dont you think?

I've always applied the "counts as moving maximum" as a rule of thumb when there is a question about movement when deepstriking.

Posted By Hellfury on 06/04/2007 10:19 AM

Posted By Antonin on 06/04/2007 6:38 AM
Oh, that would be a fun army theme! The TARDIS for the monolith, and Daleks for the Necrons! With a big Dalek for the Necron Lord.

Exterminate!

I dont see why not. Citadel made Daleks and Metal men in a box set many moons ago. Kinda ugly, but very tournament legal.

No joke, a guy turned up to the last major tournament I went to with daleks for his necrons. His nightbringer was a big dalek, about the size of a crisis suit.