Drk_Oblitr8r's Genestealer! Game 1: Over, Imperials Win.

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**Orkeosaurus**

STOP HITTING THE ELDER. YOU MESS UP HIS ALIEN FACE!

:: Pushes Lord of The Ghosts away from the Eldar ::

**lord of the ghosts**

Forgive me, Orkeosaurus.
But my question still stands.

**Thor665**

lord of the ghosts wrote:Too bad we have to kill you *knees eldar in the face*
What did he do for death?
As I read, I have seen Eldar helping Imperial forces before.

((OOC We need a facepalm Ork emoticon. Drk_O asked politely for the in-story abuse of the Eldar to stop, I'm not sure why it matters, but as game host I submit you should try to respect his wishes.))

::Spits out some vile smelling root weed and shrugs.:: I always sorta presumed what the xenos did to deserve death was to be a xenos. There rarely needs to be another reason.

**Thor665**

Also, lotg, why have you still not answered my last question to you? Do I need to hold you down and drool chaw in your mouth till you will? Even Madame fussy-britches over there was at least willing to talk to me ::whether or not she was listening clearly is another matter, he mutters under his breath::

**Arctik_Firangi**

"Lord-Loss, any rational creature might act to aid another if it were in their interests. But even if their unique technologies and abilities would be exclusively advantageous in a given situation, it would still be preferable that we were in control of our own fates. My duty is simply to study this creature until such time as it is taken for execution, although to speak in our interests, I maintain that it may be a good idea to dispose of it ourselves should our situation grow desperate... Neither the gifts of a an alien psyker nor the gene-bending intent of our immediate enemies are of any benefit when they are beyond our control or comprehension."

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

lord of the ghosts wrote:*knees eldar in the face*

There is a sudden loud crash from another room, you all discuss what you should do about it.

You decide that only one of you should go, incase something goes on during the confusion. To figure out who that one person is, you draw "Emperor's Own Deciding Straws" to see who goes. After a few moments it is decided lord of the ghosts shall go.

Once in the room, the "Emperors Choice" Automatic door snaps shut behind him. The door is stuck closed behind lotg, and will be fixed by tomorrow morning.

[This means, that lord of the ghosts cannot vote, and everyone automatically has +1 votes until Day 2.]

**Manchu**

Thor665 wrote:::Spits out some vile smelling root weed and shrugs.:: I always sorta presumed what the xenos did to deserve death was to be a xenos. There rarely needs to be another reason.

At last we agree. At the risk of drawing more criticism from you, I would pose the following question to all (as I was originally asking): why are any of you willing to listen to the alien witch? It is obviously aiming to work against us. Are you really convinced the line "I'm going to die any way" makes the creature any more trustworthy?

**Thor665**

((OOC ...okay. Can we still vote for him and can we still communicate with him? Is it still possible to lynch him?))

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Voting Count #3

1-Ultrafool (lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Orkeosaurus (lord of the ghosts penalty)
2-Thor665 (ghosty, lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Arctik_Firangi (lord of the ghosts penalty)
2-Manchu ( Thor665, lord of the ghosts penalty)
3-Lord-Loss (Arctik_Firangi, n0t_u, lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-n0t_u (lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Ghosty (lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Mekboy (lord of the ghosts penalty)
4-Lord of Ghosts- (Owain, Mekkboy, Orkeosaurus, lord of the ghosts penalty)
1 -Owain (lord of the ghosts penalty)

6 to lynch.

I'm going to try and get a voting count at the beginning of every page from now on.

**Thor665**

Manchu wrote:I would pose the following question to all (as I was originally asking): why are any of you willing to listen to the alien witch?

i asked it once at the beginning who the traitors were, as soon as it started acting with xenos mystic-whatevers I have basically ignored it ever since. I do believe there are traitors here because...((OOC - because that's what the game is about))...clearly the restraints meant to hold it till we reached Terra are blessed of the Emperor and no frail xenos witch could shatter His most quality restraint chair. Therefore at least one traitor is here because *something* killed Smash ((or Crash, or whatever onomatopoeia his name was, I don't feel like looking it up just now)).

Other then that I think it is best to ignore the xenos and see no advantage in pandering to him as he seems to indicate we should. I have said as much before.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Thor665 wrote:((OOC ...okay. Can we still vote for him and can we still communicate with him? Is it still possible to lynch him?))

Yes to everything. He can still post. He can still be lynched.

I know it's extreme, but so is a knee to the face

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

(OOC: I might not update for two days, I have my last two High School exams over this time, so I'm going to be busy)

**Ultrafool**

Manchu, I listens to da alien because He knows and saw whos kills Smash. thats all we haves so we sort of have to believe him, unless some ones else saws who did this and wishs to say sometin.

**SagesStone**

Wouldn't it simply be a better idea to throw out his vote instead? Also Lord-Loss, I explained it in the first post I voted for you. I unvoted while I rethought my decission after some of the other posts made by Thor and the rest. But, you should know, my vote isn't final I can change it anytime and will if someone else seems more likely to me.

The Eldar says he knows, but they are known to change sides really quickly. He says he knows, but he could just be using it as a trick to make us kill off each other quicker.

OOC: Although the penalty thing is making me consider LOG for the hell of it, but that's probably Drky's point

**ghosty**

well whata re we gonna do? i mean seriously, what are we gonna do? one person is closed off from us, the tech priest seems to be too close to the eldar for comfurt, the nun and the scummer are arguing and the rest of us have been mostly mute.

we need to flush out the traitor!

**Lord-Loss**

n0t_u wrote:"I heard your story, Lord-Loss. It is very.. interesting... Your sympathy for the Xenos is not helping your situation with the others as well" said n0t_u, looking at the mess that was Commander Smash. "Interesting..." he said.

??????

How is this an explanation?

I show no sympathy for the xenos and whats wrong with my story?

(00C: Voting for someone because of there story is pretty dodgy and not realy a real reason to vote for them)

**Thor665**

ghosty wrote:well whata re we gonna do? i mean seriously, what are we gonna do?

I still stand by a belief that votes should be made and people should offer reasons for those said votes.

As it currently stands you are voting for me - what in particular (or general I suppose) have I done that makes me stand out as more likely to be a traitor then to not be a traitor in your opinion?

**Thor665**

Lord-Loss wrote:
n0t_u wrote:"I heard your story, Lord-Loss. It is very.. interesting... Your sympathy for the Xenos is not helping your situation with the others as well"

How is this an explanation?

I agree. There are certainly some reasonable points to raise against Lord-Loss but these hardly seem sensible. I'm pretty sure he's been leading the charge on xenos beatings - so you're either mistaking him with someone else (a bad sign) or are just not really hearing ((OOC; reading)) what is being said (a worse sign).

Also, could you expand on what's so "interesting" about his story as to deserve a vote? Certainly you can more or less point to what it is about it that makes it seem likely he's a traitor.

**Lord-Loss**

Thor665 wrote:There are certainly some reasonable points to raise against Lord-Loss

I'd like to get all suspicouns about myself out in the open, so I can answer them, before the traitors use them against me.

So Thor, what makes me suspicous?

**Thor665**

I don't fully think it wise to ask me to answer before not_u. Thus far I have offered reasons quite readily for my votes - whereas specifically we're trying to discover not_u's thought process. By having me answer we do set up a situation where he'll be able to say "ah, what Thor said" or words to that effect.

That said, I will go ahead and answer because I believe dodging questions helps scum.

Your most scummy play can be found earlier ((pages 3-4)) concerning the lotg question. I'll run down the timeline for you;

1. lotg self votes.
2. I say people who self vote are stupid and that self-voting hurts the Imperium's chances.
3. You vote for lotg because he self voted.
4. I ask you why you think a traitor would vote for himself.
5. You say he's either a traitor or stupid and should be lynched (dodging the question)
6. lotg un self votes.
7. Arctik points out how you seemed to jump all over lotg very quickly - perhaps hastily. Votes for you.
8. You unvote lotg "because he's no longer self-voting"
9. I then called you on your actions and asked for an explanation.
10. You later hinted that i and Arctik might be "working together" and offered no evidence for it.

I'm not sure why if he's no longer self-voting it makes him any less a heretic or an idiot - which were your stated reasons for voting him. What I think happened (presuming you are scum) is that you saw an easy lynch about to happen, and tried to push it over the top.

I then derailed the easy lynch to some degree and Arctik called you on how hasty you had seemed - you then quickly backed off. You then avoided explaining why and later tried to paint a picture of collusion between the two people who had called you on your actions.

**Lord-Loss**

thor665 wrote:You say he's either a traitor or stupid and should be lynched (dodging the question)

A traitor might vote for himself to distract everyone If they apearing to be targetting his team mate.

Arctik points out how you seemed to jump all over lotg very quickly - perhaps hastily.

That was my first and only vote, while others have voted and unvoted several times.

I was the 4th person to vote for him, compared to other I voted slowly.

You unvote lotg "because he's no longer self-voting"

He had apeared to stop him suspicous actions, but I said I'd keep a eye on him.

You later hinted that i and Arctik might be "working together" and offered no evidence for it.

I was putting a theory out there, to me it seemed you were working together after LotG near death.

Should we post are idea's anymore? It seems not if there gonna be used against us.

that you saw an easy lynch about to happen, and tried to push it over the top.

I've had suspicous thoughts about several people so far, Ive thought about voting, but do not want to rush.

**Manchu**

Lord-Loss wrote:Should we post are idea's anymore? It seems not if there gonna be used against us.

My sentiments exactly, Lord-Loss. This is exactly how I felt after being excoriated by Thor again and again for having a different thought process from his--or maybe just for having different thoughts from his. While I agree with that we should support our votes with some sort of explanation if we want to be taken seriously, I don't think that entails voting as soon as we have a suspicion. That said, I feel that I have given everyone else adequate explanation of my suspicions and given myself a chance to consider whether I would simply be acting out of anger rather than at least some reason, however necessarily uninformed thanks to the scanty evidence. After seeing Thor turn the same tactics he had tried to drown me with onto Lord-Loss, I am convinced that this isn't merely a vendetta. Thor--I think you are acting very cleverly, as I have said, claiming to be a master of objectivity and logic to cast suspicion on everyone else while eluding it yourself.

Vote: Thor

**Thor665**

Lord-Loss wrote:
thor665 wrote:You say he's either a traitor or stupid and should be lynched (dodging the question)

A traitor might vote for himself to distract everyone If they apearing to be targetting his team mate.

Agreed...except that voting lotg was flavour of the month right at that time. Who was he distracting people from? This is either a weak cover up answer or shows a certain lack of awareness of who people were and were not voting for at that time.

Lord-Loss wrote:
Arctik points out how you seemed to jump all over lotg very quickly - perhaps hastily.

That was my first and only vote, while others have voted and unvoted several times.

Whether or not it was your first vote does not automatically disprove it from being hasty or oddly timed. If you want further insight to Arctik's reasoning I'd ask him about it. There is nothing wrong with voting and unvoting - it is when and why it is done that is important.

Lord-Loss wrote:
You unvote lotg "because he's no longer self-voting"

He had apeared to stop him suspicous actions, but I said I'd keep a eye on him.

That's fine - I simply question the logic you stated for the unvote and still do. How does him not self-voting remove all his suspicious actions up to that time? He still did them all and he still self-voted.

Lord-Loss wrote:
You later hinted that I and Arctik might be "working together" and offered no evidence for it.

I was putting a theory out there, to me it seemed you were working together after LotG near death.

You also posited a theory that I was working with lotg too. I have no problem with your theories - but would like to see you offer up some evidence. I still submit the "theory" came about because of how the pair of us pressured you after a suspicious vote. Re-stating your theory (once again with no further reasoning) does not remove the reason for my suspicion.

Lord-Loss wrote:Should we post are idea's anymore? It seems not if there gonna be used against us.

Yes, we should keep offering ((OOC - posting up)) our ideas. And yes, they will be used against us if they appear to be bad ideas or poorly supported. Feel free to offer up theories on anyone and anything - but don't be surprised if people ask you to show where the idea of the theory has some supportive evidence.

Lord-Loss wrote:
that you saw an easy lynch about to happen, and tried to push it over the top.

I've had suspicous thoughts about several people so far, Ive thought about voting, but do not want to rush.

What does this have to do with your apparent rush on lotg? I never suggested you didn't have suspicions of other people. I simply offered up a timeline and a theory of why I believe your actions at that time were scummy because you asked me to elaborate on why I felt you were scummy.

@n0t_u - you should still weigh in on why you thought Lord-Loss was scummy. Just because I'm on him doesn't mean you shouldn't be.

@Ultrafool - it would be very good if you offered up a few more thoughts about what you thought was going on. If' you're Imperium and staying quiet you will be easier for traitors to point fingers at. If you're a Genestealer and staying quiet, it becomes suspicious why you don't want any attention. At the very least could you say who you feel is the most suspicious at this current time and even better include a little bit on why you feel they're most suspicious.

**Thor665**

Manchu wrote:Thor--I think you are acting very cleverly, as I have said, claiming to be a master of objectivity and logic to cast suspicion on everyone else while eluding it yourself.

And I find it fascinating that your evidence is based off the concept "he's so obviously working to explain himself and provide logic that he must be evil."

By the way, do you have a reply to how I interpreted the lotg interaction yet? You got quite quiet on that front.

**Lord-Loss**

::Sigh::

I believe the sister is correct.

May the Emperor guide my vote.

Vote:Thor665

**Thor665**

Lord-Loss wrote:::Sigh::

I believe the sister is correct.

May the Emperor guide my vote.

What about the sister's logic seems so compelling to you? Do you agree with absolutely everything, or is there one more substantial piece of evidence you're locking on to. Are there any thoughts of your own bringing you to this conclusion?

**lord of the ghosts**

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:
Thor665 wrote:((OOC ...okay. Can we still vote for him and can we still communicate with him? Is it still possible to lynch him?))

Yes to everything. He can still post. He can still be lynched.

I know it's extreme, but so is a knee to the face

{Ooc:I are sorry.

}

**Thor665**

@lord of the ghosts
What do you see as the advantage in constantly avoiding a question?

**SagesStone**

Different time zone, remember. That's why my posts have such a large gap in between them sometimes. I thought my explanation was in that post, turns out it was the post after it instead

n0t_u wrote:His story is kind of contradicting, but the real reason was that he said the Eldar didn't do it. The only reason someone would say that is if they actually know otherwise the Eldar is actually as much of a suspect as everyone else. There is not much evidence to say the Eldar did it, but also not much to say he didn't. It just seemed suspicious that someone would be so sure about something like that so early in.

I would have preferred to vote no lynch until someone more likely showed up, but that would make me more suspicious instead. But, I'm thinking of changing that vote to LoG instead at the moment.

**Arctik_Firangi**

OOC: The best I can fathom is that lotg was locked away for a disciplinary beating for not participating in, and actually rather disrupting, gameplay. I still don't think he's particularly suspicious. If the GM would like to clarify that this is rather one of these 'random events' it would be appreciated.