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[Okay, one last post:]

1: I did not kill Thor, but was prepared to be initially suspicious of him if you had turned up dead instead. I still thought you were a better investigation subject, and I was right.

2: I had prepared ahead of time for my assault on you, all of which was based on activity the previous day. There would be no reason to post it if you were not guilty, but lo and behold, you were. You seem to regard that post as if it sums up my entire argument, but there would be no debate between us two until you actually replied. I had intended to test Thor should I have been wrong, but this scenario is irrelevant.

3: I am still unsure about Lord-Loss, but I am sure about you. If there is another traitor, I would go after Lord-Loss, and wanted to make this clear given that I would likely be killed tonight. I also insisted that you were a priority threat, but at this point had obviously not revealed that I was an Inquisitor.

4: You are unable to say with authority that I 'got nervous' - you are only saying so because once again, you are treacherously reprieving your fellows of the advantage of seeing for themselves. You are the one who has reacted with spite and malice, whilst I have pointed out the holes in your arguments. You childishly reply tit-for-tat, and invent false representations of my intent and manner.

5: In the midst of your most unreasonable and raving argument, I announced that I am the Inquisitor. I explained once, and then again, what I said about Orkeosaurus, which was as simple as it was originally stated. I had a gut feeling,and it was right. I did not attempt to make an argument out of it, I merely used the fact as a lead in to my initial explanation of why I was confident to expose myself at that time. I have also recently postulated on my current thoughts about Lord-Loss [previous page] since he stopped voting for me.

6: You are unable to prove me wrong, fundamentally because you are lying, and logically because your precious 'proof' is an irrelevant concept in this context.

7: With n0t_u voting against me, I have calmly addressed the matter, and congratulated the traitor on her success at manipulation so far. I have again refuted every one of your arguments, and you will no doubt bring them up again as if I never did. Lookin' good, Joan.

Unvote: Arctik

Although this will seem foolish to some, I have decided to rethink my vote. Both of you are basing your arguements on the same thing, that the other killed Thor because he was a loyalist. Arctik says that Manchu is a traitor because he is an Inquisitor and investigated him, something they would only no and be unable to proove it to others without first revealing themselves as an Inquisitor. While Manchu seems determined that Arctik isn't the Inquisitor as well, something only the real Inquisitor would know for certain. At best you can really only assume he isn't because he seemed to use it as an attempt to bring people over to his side of thinking. Both side's arguements are actually very simular. Arctik is/isn't the Inquisitor because he didn't/did kill Thor because he was a loyalist, Manchu is really a traitor/loyalist.

No matter how much you stretch it out to look more reasoned, you're argument is essentially "believe me, not Manchu!" and that doesn't refute a thing I've said.

Your statements continue to be riven with problematic holes that indicate that you are lying. But rather than simply say as much, let me provide YET ANOTHER example.

In your fifth point above, you say that you announced that your were an Inquisitor in the midst of my "most unreasonable and raving argument." If my argument was so unreasonable, why did you feel the need to blow your "cover" to refute it? A real Inquisitor would not have wasted that announcement on an "unreasonable and raving argument" that logic alone could have refuted. But you have no logic. At best you have excuses.

@n0t_U: I see your point but I have to insist that our arguments are different in at least one key respect. Mine is not based on at outrageous claim that is MOST LIKELY to be a lie. All I am claiming at this point is to be loyal. Arctik by contrast claims to be an Inquisitor who knew it was me the whole time. That's a lot to swallow, especially considering that Arctik started to make these claims when his first nonsensical theory about me working with Lord-Loss didn't convince any one. Also, unlike Arctik, I have not constantly misled you and contradicted myself. Honestly, I think you are prevaricating in order to be as sure as possible but--and here is the one thing that Arctik and I agree about, despite his accusatory claims to the contrary--you simply aren't going to get any better proof one way or the other about this. Either you find my arguments or his more convincing.

Well, I guess when I think about it if he was going to claim to be the Inquisitor this whole day phase would have been a bad time. If he claimed it before he started his attack on you it might have been more believible, but suspicious that he would even mention that. So I guess this is my shortest unvote ever. It's the holes in his arguement that gives it away. If it was truely a trap, it would have been set out good I guess but executed poorly. Also I guess if a traitor was killed off all the remaining ones would become a bit on edge seeing as there's supposed to be more loyalists then them. It would be good to hear from the others though, they might be traitors as well, but hopefully there is only one left. I guess we'll just have to see how it goes. But, like I said it is very likely that all three of us will be dead before the next day starts, if I'm lucky I might be the only one to survive.

Vote: Arctik
Yes I did read over the last few pages

I was not necessarily going to expose myself at all, and obviously spent a lot of time considering it. My recent breakdown of what will be required to lynch the remaining traitors in the situation where I am lynched today is very grim, and I calculated for that and my other provided reasons (it would be bad for a traitor to counter-claim this early in the game, I felt that more convincing of my case against Manchu was required, and it was a preferable alternative to replying to another of Joan's incessant nay-saying counter-arguments) that it would be for the best. You have ignored my explanations and logic once again, stated that I simply had none, and hence you are lying and misrepresenting me - again.

Likewise, Sister, your habit of making acute points does not disguise the fact that you are arguing in your own defense and no one else's, nor does your penchant for literary invention result in literal proof.

You are unable to address my challenges in any other form than turning them back against me unchanged, and you will not even regard matters that specifically concern you. So excuse me if this sounds familiar, but you have not answered the following... bear in mind that you know perfectly well I am an Inquisitor, and I will not tolerate another contrary or disregarding answer. Answer the question itself, for if you are innocent you have nothing to fear:
Why should you not be killed in order to prove my innocence or guilt when it is more likely that I am an Inquisitor than you?

[aaaaand I'm going to bed]

It's actually not more likely that you're the Inquisitor than I. You clam to be the Inquisitor and I don't--is that what's supposed to make you being the Inquisitor more likely?

If you are killed and I am lying then I get lynched the next day.

If I'm killed, everyone finds out that I'm innocent BUT finds out nothing about you. So one more innocent dies AND, if you are a traitor as I believe, you will be alive and well to continue misleading people.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:(it would be bad for a traitor to counter-claim this early in the game, I felt that more convincing of my case against Manchu was required, and it was a preferable alternative to replying to another of Joan's incessant nay-saying counter-arguments)

Thank you for admitting that you "revealed yourself" out of desperation but you're still lying about it. To wit, I don't know why it would be a bad time for a traitor to counter-claim against you. I can see, as I have already explained, why a real Inquisitor would not counter-claim against you, the FALSE Inquisitor and traitor. To reiterate this is because a real Inquisitor would have nothing to gain from revealing so early (especially against "unreasonable and raving argument") AND he or she could count on the other loyalists knowing this and NOT believing the inevitably false claims that would come out early.

That bolt pistol would actually be quite handy. We could shoot Manchu or Arctik, and then vote depending on their role.

((OOC:We need a prod on Owain))

[vote:Artick]


His he has no evidence, well he has some evidence but it's crappy. His whole argument in based around him being a Inqusitior. I bet he is a traitor, who realised that he couldn't get Joan lynched through reason alone, so he decided pretending to be a Inqusitior would work. But I suspect you all, as we have a traitor and a serial killer in our midst.

Lord-Loss wrote:
His he has no evidence, well he has some evidence but it's crappy. His whole argument in based around him being a Inqusitior. I bet he is a traitor, who realised that he couldn't get Joan lynched through reason alone, so he decided pretending to be a Inqusitior would work. But I suspect you all, as we have a traitor and a serial killer in our midst.

- Because I know that Joan is a traitor, the fact that you also disregard all of my perfectly valid evidence puts you in a bad position for tomorrow. It will be evident either way.
- The fact that you are worried about this 'serial killer,' who has only proven to have killed a traitor thus far, is interesting to say the least.
- My argument is not based around me being an Inquisitor, and you are either a pawn of Joan or ignorant in order to say that it is so.
- Joan, I am more likely to be an Inquisitor because I have claimed to be an Inquisitor. You have not, and no one else has either. I have explained perfectly why is was prudent for me to reveal my identity. It is not an early claim, and I have already explained why. If there are two traitors and I am lynched today, the xenos win, and you know it.

-If the mystery killer does not/cannot successfully eliminate either Typhus (inactive) or Joan/another traitor tonight, we will probably not even make it through tomorrow's day phase.

All this time I have called for an end to distraction, and that we not be made fools of.
Joan has misled all of you, but can not mislead me.

Loyalists beware: If there are two traitors and I am lynched, the loyalists cannot possibly win, because Typus has been completely inactive and cannot provide the vote required to lynch the second traitor following the third night kill.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Joan, I am more likely to be an Inquisitor because I have claimed to be an Inquisitor.

But . . . gasp . . . I'm the real Inquisitor!!! Dum dum dum! There, now we're even. (According to your logic, we are now each as likely as the other to be the Inquisitor--do you see why this is a poor argument yet?)

Just joking, OF COURSE. If I were the Inquisitor, I would never reveal this early in the game. If I were a traitor, however, and making a lot of weak arguments, I might consider claiming to be the Inquisitor . . . just like "Inquisitor" Arctik here.

Manchu wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Joan, I am more likely to be an Inquisitor because I have claimed to be an Inquisitor.

But . . . gasp . . . I'm the real Inquisitor!!! Dum dum dum! There, now we're even. (According to your logic, we are now each as likely as the other to be the Inquisitor--do you see why this is a poor argument yet?)

Just joking, OF COURSE. If I were the Inquisitor, I would never reveal this early in the game. If I were a traitor, however, and making a lot of weak arguments, I might consider claiming to be the Inquisitor . . . just like "Inquisitor" Arctik here.

You may call my arguments weak, but you have no other defense against my claim that you are a traitor. You have no actual evidence that I might be guilty other than that you are presenting a contrary situation to mine.

Are you disappointed that you missed your chance to pretend to be an Inquisitor? You have been constantly repeating that I have revealed too early, whilst saying that I revealed too late in the day phase. I have had to state again and again that under the circumstances, revealing myself now is not early, it is practically necessary.

Why don't you address my argument of the outstanding fact that a mis-lynch today will guarantee your victory, scum?

Unlike you, I am actually trying to help people other than myself. 'typhus', the loyalist who has not yet contributed, is our downfall, because he will likely never do anything. If I had not revealed myself in order to damn you, the loyalists may have been tricked by you into thinking that they had time on their side. We do not. Were it not for that factor, I would be comfortable to martyr myself in order to prove my guilt.

If you cannot swallow this, at least try to pathetically explain exactly how it is that I revealed 'too early'.

Manchu wrote:((OOC: @n0t_U: I think you are obsessing too much over this bolt pistol. From what I can tell, Drk_O saw my laspistol mechanic in Honoris Causa and offered it for use in this thread. Thor and I both saw that this would be an advantage to the traitors and decried its use. Unless someone has secretly gotten it from the alien and is using it as a night weapon, the chances are that no one has it. If Arctik is killed and turns out to be a genestealer and we do not win, we'll know there is a serial killer. If Arctik turns out to be the serial killer we'll know there is at least one genestealer out there--unless Srk_O changed that, too--and if two people are killed during the night, we'll know that someone is either a vigilante or is using the bolt pistol to act like one.))

(OOC: While I had read Honoris Causa, I had the idea for the bolt pistol before I had the idea for the Eldar)

Arctik_Firangi wrote:[Drky, I am also requesting a bump of inactive players. Has typhus even posted once? I'm getting tired of contant banter between two-and-a-half people.]

(OOC: I'm getting tired of bumping inactive players. There are so many inactive players.)

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Confirmed?

Yes. I am the Inquisitor. I investigated Manchu. Manchu is a genestealer.

I confidently present whatever evidence I can find for him and set a couple of traps (the one sided bargain and the Inquisitor reveal if necessary).

Naturally Manchu denies everything. Naturally Manchu has no evidence against me, and can only react with hostility to his accusal. Naturally Manchu misrepresents what I say and ignores what he cannot.

I have given concise reason for revealing myself at this point, and once again it is being ignored, or denied for the sake of denial, by the guilty party.

"Arctik, you say you're an Inquisitor, but you don't really have any proof." said the Eldar

======Voting Count pg19======
Aliving
-typhus
3-Arctik_Firangi (Manchu, n0t_u, Lord-Loss)
2-Manchu (Arctik_Firangi, ghosty)
-Lord-Loss
-n0t_u
-Ghosty
-Mekboy
-Owain

With 8 alive it requires 5 to lynch.

"Ahhh it's come to a good old fashioned 'You're wrong, NO you're wrong' style arguement" sighed the Eldar "Wake me up before someone uses the Bolt Pistol."

(bumping inactive players now)

Arctik, if you are in fact the Inquisitor and are killed that should be enough to galvanize everyone into voting against me. The fact that you fear death so much just confirms my opinion that your lynching, should it happen, will reveal you to be either a traitor or a serial killer.

((OOC: And if people are inactive it means we don't have enough people to play--no one can win or lose, we just have to disband the game.))

Manchu wrote:Arctik, if you are in fact the Inquisitor and are killed that should be enough to galvanize everyone into voting against me. The fact that you fear death so much just confirms my opinion that your lynching, should it happen, will reveal you to be either a traitor or a serial killer.

((OOC: And if people are inactive it means we don't have enough people to play--no one can win or lose, we just have to disband the game.))

"You state that I fear death, and yet the fact remains that I have mentioned it before, and again just prior to your baseless comment, that were our companions contributing, that I would have no fear of my death.

I call for the third... possibly fourth time for someone to explain how we have a 'serial killer'. A single unexpected murder is not a serial killing."

((OOC: Hence you understand why my interest in this game is all about today's result - you can see that the game is broken and you can't lose if I die today. The day clock will time out and you will get your free night kill.))

((OOC: If more people don't get more active then I think we all lose.))

The fact that a genestealer died means one of three things:

(1) The other genestealer(s) killed him in order to confuse us--seems unlikely as there are so few ((active)) people in this game, purposely disposing of one of your allies--perhaps the only one--makes little sense.

(2) Someone is a pro-Imperium vigilante character or is using the mysterious bolt pistol as a night weapon. This seems just as likely as not as this is a closed game with unfamiliar rules.

(3) There is a second classification of traitor, the serial killer, who is not aligned with the genestealers and wants to kill everyone. This seems like the most likely explanation to me.

Manchu wrote:((OOC: And if people are inactive it means we don't have enough people to play--no one can win or lose, we just have to disband the game.))

I won't let that happen, I'll replace people with players who have been lynched so to get a conclusion to the game, should the need arise.

OOC: I think people are starting to lose interest.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I won't let that happen, I'll replace people with players who have been lynched so to get a conclusion to the game, should the need arise.

((OOC: That seems to defeat the purpose . . . wouldn't people just rely on who people were before to attack each other. I think it would destroy the game logic, which is ONLY based on what has already happened and which is all we have to rely upon.))

(We certainly agree on that! [Ooh, replace typhus with Thor! That'll be a barrel of fun!])

Manchu wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I won't let that happen, I'll replace people with players who have been lynched so to get a conclusion to the game, should the need arise.

((OOC: That seems to defeat the purpose . . . wouldn't people just rely on who people were before to attack each other. I think it would destroy the game logic, which is ONLY based on what has already happened and which is all we have to rely upon.))

It would if I ressurected them. It's more of an exchange. If I replaced Orkeo with say, lotg, Orkeo wouldn't be a Genestealer, he'd be an Imperial Citizen as lotg was.

Owain wrote:OOC: I think people are starting to lose interest.

I tried to avoid that as much as possible.

((Im going PM Emperor's Faithful, and ask him to join, I'l PM some others too, who I think would be interested by this, Im very pissed off by the lack of activity, I dont think we should disband the game, but maybe re-start it?))

((I think we should restart the game, but not with Ultrafool and Airmen, replace them with new people. ))

I'm going to add some penalties to the prodding system for Power Roles, because they're vital and should be more active in the game then regular Roles

Power Roles including but not limited to Imperial Sanctioned Psyker, Imperial Inquisitor, Genestealer Magnus, Night Lords Assailant and Agent of the Officio Assassinorum, who are inactive for 3 days or longer will become demoted to their sides lowest role (Imperial Citizen or Genestealer, Night Lords Assailants will become one of the two)

Dont make anymore Genestealers!, it will screw the game up.

Lord-Loss wrote:Dont make anymore Genestealers!, it will screw the game up.

It's not likely to happen.

"Hmm?" The Eldar looks up. "Seems like we have a visitor"

Another ship arrives and boards the ship, the doors open with steam comming out of the door way, and a shadow fills the steam.

"Um, I've got a delivery here for a...Smash? C. Smash?"

EF looks around.

"Oh feth. What the feth is going on around here?"

Behind him the other ship leaves, realising the situation is out of hand.

Emperors Faithful wrote:"Um, I've got a delivery here for a...Smash? C. Smash?"

EF looks around.

"Oh feth. What the feth is going on around here?"

Behind him the other ship leaves, realising the situation is out of hand.

"Do you have anything for me? Issac Matthew David Andrew Heretic?" laughed the Eldar