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2012/12/28 09:32:24
Subject: What Primarchs should have gone to Chaos but did not?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 Beaviz81 wrote: DarthMarko wrote: Beaviz81 wrote:I disagree with you Marko, Lion was loyal. That's finite. He wasn't obviously loyal, but not the fence-sitter may paints him to be.
Well I'm not questiononig his allegiance,rather his motives...He wasn't that crazy ultra loyal in the begining of the heresy IIRC (not helping IH after they are declared 100% loyal, fearful on Dorn and Guiliman, his conversation with Curze etc.)
IMHO he is a very calculated persona and like @Void_Dragon said "sociopath lacking of empathy"...I' think in post heresy he would have been a real thorn in Guiliman eyes...
Calculating the Lion was yes, but I don't even question his motives. I recall someone earlier writing something about him being brought up at a chaos-tainted place much like Magnus. Though he unlike Magnus overcame his taste of Chaos, and persevered while Magnus has the disturbing though hilarious backstory we had so much fun with earlier in the discussion. Hehe.
You mean, how Magnus was forced into prostitution...:-)
Btw, my point is simple - "You don't have to be chaos worshiper, to be bad..."
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/12/28 16:43:48
Subject: What Primarchs should have gone to Chaos but did not?
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Solahma
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Also, you don't have to be disloyal to be "bad."
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2012/12/28 16:49:49
Subject: What Primarchs should have gone to Chaos but did not?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Well for me the Lion falls under Good is not Nice-territory. Not For the Evulz. But that's my interpretation of the guy.
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2012/12/28 16:54:07
Subject: What Primarchs should have gone to Chaos but did not?
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Solahma
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Yeah, I think that is an excellent way to put it.
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2012/12/29 07:39:34
Subject: What Primarchs should have gone to Chaos but did not?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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I'm sure he's quite charming once you get to know him....well maybe not.
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2012/12/30 19:01:26
Subject: Re:What Primarchs should have gone to Chaos but did not?
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Irradiated Baal Scavanger
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the lion had fought chaos corruption on his homeworld and was not corrupted so he obviously is not a canidate to turn to horus. instead of trying to decide who among the loyalists should have or would have been more apt to turn to chaos we should be looking at the sins of the father that made so many sons turn, the emperor obviously had much blame in the situation. hr handled the situation with the thousand sons and magnus poorly. you dont chastise your son for trying to better himself and his chapter for trying to better serve you without explaining yourself to them. secondly he had too many secrets from the primearchs that he intrusted the fate of the universe to. intrusting them with extreme power with no reasoning as to why you yourself are abandoning the task at hand yourself is just asking for failure. the emperor in my opinion started to believe his own legends. in the end he realized too late he was just a man.
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