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 Yonan wrote:
Specifically re Orks, have you seen the Mantic Marauders for Warpath/Deadzone Skink? They have a similar feel to 40K Orks design-wise, but are less comical and more militaristic. Not better, not worse, just different - and I love 'em too ; ) I love seeing me some 40K Orks in the Dawn of War and Space Marine games, I don't think the Marauders have been fleshed out enough stylewise to compete with them there though. But then, I think those games have done huge things for helping me visualise and get into 40k so it's possible similarly good games could do the same for the Warpath setting.

I bought a box of 30 of the Mantic Orx to paint up as potential Kommandos or Tankbustas, and I kinda like their 'organized' style in their universe. Having contrast is always nice, it's good to see another company take the greenskins in a different, but still effective direction.

I find warma/hordes to be more of a game for tournament play. And it has more of a small game feel than standard 40k or fantasy does.

Infinity has a similar problem to warma/hordes

I personally look at the two and they would be okay to play once and a while on weekends but I could never invest the time and effort and immerse myself in them like I could with gw games (ya know omitting lotr cause its trash)

 ionusx wrote:
(ya know omitting lotr cause its trash)

Lord of the Rings was amazing. War of the Ring and Hobbit suck but the core LotR game and models where awesome, you just needed people to play against :(

 ionusx wrote:
I find warma/hordes to be more of a game for tournament play.

This might be another reason why Warmahordes feels so "mechanical" to me. It feels closer to tabletop Magic the Gathering (which, in a way, it is). I've never played Magic (well, maybe once really long ago) but I do know that there actually is fluff for it, just nobody cares about it; like, the whole premise is that you're a wizard battling rivals for... I don't know what, but something. But nobody adds fluffy RP elements to their games (well some people might, but most people don't) to enrich themselves in the world, it's just a game, and everything is mechanics and competition. That's how Warmachine feels to me, while in 40k I'd love to go and name my HQs, name my units, hell sometimes name individual troops and come up with a backstory for the army. In Warmachine it's just a collection of units that I'm trying to win a game with and I don't care what division of the army they are, what their history is, or anything. Not to say you can't do that with Warmahordes, because you can, but the game feels like that stuff is secondary in the same was as you are highly unlikely to find a Magic player who gets "in character" while playing a game and has a backstory for their persona, because nobody really cares.

That's one thing 40k has going for it. Even in a tournament for 40k you can still do creative things; hell I remember RTTs used to give you points if your army roster had a backstory and all units and characters with names.