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xAndurilx wrote:
Just as I thought... looping back to the sequence.

Never-mind that the unit is placed in DS Reserve with the Pod and arrive with the pod together...

And our community doesn't see it as an HIWPI, not that I would be able to convince you or anyone else otherwise.

I think you missed something.

the rules call out that LOTD must arrive by deepstrike.

units arriving by deep strike reserves must deploy using their special rules.

the rules for deploying from deep strike are very specific and a model embarked in a transport is not deploying by those rules.

I am not saying the unit did not deep strike, the unit arrived, but did not arrive by deep striking.

there is no open to interpretation, the RAW actually calls this out.

Mu

If your solely trying to figure out whether the LotD arrived via their special rules you only need ask yourself whether you rolled scatter for them or did you roll scatter for a drop pod?


In short though, LotD cannot be placed in a drop pod, because if you did so, they would be breaking their rule that "they" must arrive via deep strike.

blaktoof wrote:

xAndurilx wrote:
Just as I thought... looping back to the sequence.

Never-mind that the unit is placed in DS Reserve with the Pod and arrive with the pod together...

And our community doesn't see it as an HIWPI, not that I would be able to convince you or anyone else otherwise.

I think you missed something.

the rules call out that LOTD must arrive by deepstrike.

units arriving by deep strike reserves must deploy using their special rules.

the rules for deploying from deep strike are very specific and a model embarked in a transport is not deploying by those rules.

I am not saying the unit did not deep strike, the unit arrived, but did not arrive by deep striking.

there is no open to interpretation, the RAW actually calls this out.

Mu

Agreed with the above, when you say:

xAndurilx wrote:

That said, I still think that Units inside a Deep striking transport is deep striking too, even if they don't follow the sequence.
And unfortunately, even the rules that i see as clear as day indicating this, others don't agree.

You are most definitely breaking Rules.

The simple example of a Tactical Squad in a Drop Pod. They do not have the Deep Strike Rule, how can that squad ever Deep Strike?
My commander has a 2+ armour, that means his squad of attached Scouts all have 2+ armour. That is pretty much the statement your are making.
Attaching a Drop Pod unit to an infantry unit does not change their USR.

 BlackTalos wrote:

blaktoof wrote:

xAndurilx wrote:
Just as I thought... looping back to the sequence.

Never-mind that the unit is placed in DS Reserve with the Pod and arrive with the pod together...

And our community doesn't see it as an HIWPI, not that I would be able to convince you or anyone else otherwise.

I think you missed something.

the rules call out that LOTD must arrive by deepstrike.

units arriving by deep strike reserves must deploy using their special rules.

the rules for deploying from deep strike are very specific and a model embarked in a transport is not deploying by those rules.

I am not saying the unit did not deep strike, the unit arrived, but did not arrive by deep striking.

there is no open to interpretation, the RAW actually calls this out.

Mu

Agreed with the above, when you say:

xAndurilx wrote:

That said, I still think that Units inside a Deep striking transport is deep striking too, even if they don't follow the sequence.
And unfortunately, even the rules that i see as clear as day indicating this, others don't agree.

You are most definitely breaking Rules.

The simple example of a Tactical Squad in a Drop Pod. They do not have the Deep Strike Rule, how can that squad ever Deep Strike?
My commander has a 2+ armour, that means his squad of attached Scouts all have 2+ armour. That is pretty much the statement your are making.
Attaching a Drop Pod unit to an infantry unit does not change their USR.

That would not be breaking the rules as the rules say they can regardless of this debate

A Transport vehicle with Deep Strike may Deep Strike regardless of
whether its passengers have Deep Strike or not.

But no, I agree they are not deepstriking, most telling is:

In that turn’s Assault phase, however, these units cannot charge. This also applies to
units that have disembarked from Transports that arrived by Deep Strike that turn.

Textually the units did not deepstrike, but rules wise exceptions are given in pretty much all ways as if they had.

Sorry if my post was not clear enough.

A Tactical Squad in a Drop Pod is not breaking any Rules.

xAndurilx wrote:
I still think that Units inside a Deep striking transport is deep striking too, even if they don't follow the sequence.

But that statement is breaking rules for the above example.
That post was me pushing the same "i don't really want to continue the Discussion and i'm out" button

What if we look at it this way....
A unit cannot arrive by reserve and assault on that same turn.

The vehicle is arriving from deep strike reserve, not unit within it...so therefore, I can assault out of a drop pod.

There's no difference between a unit and the transport. The whole unit is arriving via deep strike. The drop pod just has a special rule that trumps the placement of the troops in a concentric circle and allows them to disembark.

Which does so by trumping the entire 'Deep Strike Special Rule,' once more raising the question on how the Unit counts as having Arrived by Deep Strike without:
1) Evoking the Special Rule and use the Arrive by Deep Strike Sequence found within?
2) Access to a Rule which states the Disembarking Unit counts as having Arrived by Deep Strike?

Given that that the Rule being used to bring the Transport and Embarked Unit onto the table with a single Reserve roll informs us that the two are Arriving from Reserves, it is a bit impossible to state that the Embarked Unit has not also Arrived that turn. The issue has never been if or even when they have Arrived, it has always been with the lack of instructions telling us how they are arriving. In this particular case, it is the lack of instructions telling us that that an Embarked Unit on a Transport Arrives by the same method as the Transport that has created this thread. As, from a strict Rule as Written perspective, there is nothing granting permission for the Embarked Unit to Arrive by Deep Strike without following the sequence put forth the only 'Rule as Written' supported outcome is to Scatter the Embarked Unit separate to the Transport....

The best I can do is get rid of the 'Must Deep Strike' clauses to allow the Unit to Arrive via non-Deep Strike related methods.

JinxDragon wrote:
Which does so by trumping the entire 'Deep Strike Special Rule,' once more raising the question on how the Unit counts as having Arrived by Deep Strike without:
1) Evoking the Special Rule and use the Arrive by Deep Strike Sequence found within?
2) Access to a Rule which states the Disembarking Unit counts as having Arrived by Deep Strike?

Given that that the Rule being used to bring the Transport and Embarked Unit onto the table with a single Reserve roll informs us that the two are Arriving from Reserves, it is a bit impossible to state that the Embarked Unit has not also Arrived that turn. The issue has never been if or even when they have Arrived, it has always been with the lack of instructions telling us how they are arriving. In this particular case, it is the lack of instructions telling us that that an Embarked Unit on a Transport Arrives by the same method as the Transport that has created this thread. As, from a strict Rule as Written perspective, there is nothing granting permission for the Embarked Unit to Arrive by Deep Strike without following the sequence put forth the only 'Rule as Written' supported outcome is to Scatter the Embarked Unit separate to the Transport....

The best I can do is get rid of the 'Must Deep Strike' clauses to allow the Unit to Arrive via non-Deep Strike related methods.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. As far as I see it both the unit and the transport are arriving via deep strike. And my FLGS owner where I play other than my home or friends agree's with me.

Please do me a favor:
Quote the Rule which states that an Embarked Unit arrives by the same method as it's Transport or accept that the situation is outside of Written Rules.

That is it, my problem is not with people whom want Embarked Units to count as Deep Striking but with the fact they continue to state that they have Written Rules support the conclusion when they do not. If someone had Rule as Written support that simple stated the above then there wouldn't be 7 pages to this thread. I will admit I am a big part of that 7 pages, but only because no one has been able to actually quote me a Rule which literally states 'Embarked Units have permission to Deep Strike by Disembarking from their transport.' Also, the question wouldn't of even been raised at all if there was such a simple answer to even be had because it would of been provided on page 1.

Instead we have had no direct Rule quotes to support the concept, a handful of secondary Rules which don't fit the situation but suggest Authors Intent, and people still claiming that their side has Rule as Written support.

I understand your argument,

GW just needs to clarify that the transport and the unit are both arriving via deep strike, or just the transport.

You read it one way. I see it another

LoTD technically has a different rule to deep strike as well.

They have the "aid unlooked for" rule

It states that all models in the unit must have the Deep Strike special rule and must be placed in reserve and arrive by deep strike.

The drop pod has deep strike and so do the unit of the LotD. They then are placed in reserve and arrive via deep strike.

At the end of the rule it does state "some units must arrive by deep strike, these units are placed in reserve and must arrive by deep strike."

The drop pod, as I see it, allows this to happen together.

As long as you are not stating that you have Rule as Written support for the concept, I have no problem with you having a different interpenetration to this mess then I do. My continued interested in this thread is more directed at the few whom refuse to even admit there is a problem with the Written Rules, because I simply do not understand how they are failing to see the large missing gap that others clearly have. After 7 pages it is easy to conclude that there is a problem, particularly when the original question should have been answerable with a single quote.

As for your added information:
A requirement to Deep Strike is not permission to treat any method of Arrival as 'Arriving by Deep Strike'
Arriving by Deep Strike is the name of a specific Sequence so, without a 'counts as' Rule, the only way to Arrive by Deep Strike is to evoke this sequence

JinxDragon wrote:
As long as you are not stating that you have Rule as Written support for the concept, I have no problem with you having a different interpenetration to this mess then I do. My continued interested in this thread is more directed at the few whom refuse to even admit there is a problem with the Written Rules, because I simply do not understand how they are failing to see the large missing gap that others clearly have. After 7 pages it is easy to conclude that there is a problem, particularly when the original question should have been answerable with a single quote.

I don't think I ever claimed RAW support. I have claimed what I think was intended based on the fact I don't think that GW writes multiple rules dealing with the same situation that does absolutely nothing.

Whereas i am basing my stance on RaW, and the simple fact that a Tactical Squad does not have Deep Strike.
No rules say Transports confer Deep Strike.

Therefore asserting that "both the unit and the transport are arriving via deep strike" is false and breaks the RaW.

Proving otherwise would need Rules and not intent.

Happyjew,
The arguments put forth under the Authors Intent banner are quite good, even I am willing to side with them, but they are far from me branding them as Written Rules. While I feel that the Author whom penned that sentence honestly believed there was a Restriction being over-turned, that doesn't mean that the restriction actually exists or will exist. If I was one for the concept of 'future proofing,' which has been used to explain the existence of some Rules which have no current conceivable effect, it could be possible that this Exception exists for a Restriction that has yet to be penned but I hold no faith in the 'Future Proofing' concept....

The Authors can not even 'present proof' their Rules.

However one of the curious things I do have to ask, as I poke at Author Intent arguments but with a different measuring stick, is how far does the concept of 'Evidence through Wasted Ink' go?
How does it handle the exists of Restrictions specifically designed to address things already Restricted by default, for example?
Also known as a waste of ink by most....

I think the unfortunate issue is there is a sequence of rules that literally is the method for arriving by deepstrike. and then the inclusion of the words "deep striking" and "Arrive" in a sentence that references models arriving on a deep striking transport.

obviously everyone can agree that the unit on the deep striking transport did not follow the rules for "arriving by deepstrike" but the deep striking transport unit did. However we have the writing gem that they are a deep striking unit, arriving, despite this without them actually stating they are "arriving by deepstrike" we cannot make that final RAW leap saying they are, as they did not follow the rules sequence for doing so and it doesn't state anywhere that they count as doing so by being on a transport that did.

then in the deepstrike rules we have such "gems" as

"transports can deep strike but do not confer deepstrike to units"

"only units with deep strike can deep strike"

"on the turn they arrive, deep striking units can not move further than to disembark from a deep striking transport"

amazing!

so the embarked unit without deep strike on its deep strike transprot is not deep striking, but is arriving, and deep striking, but may not be arriving by deep strike because we have a rules sequence that "arrive by deepstrike" literally means but we went on to say they are arriving and deepstriking so who knows what we the authors meant.

-sincerely the authors of the game you enjoy.


from a non RAW staindpoint, RAI the LoTD were not intended to arrive by deepstrike in another armies drop pod from the "aid unlooked for" rule.

I guess you could forge the narrative that the space wolves planned to drop an empty drop pod to surprise some tyranids, and instead SURPRISE! aid unlooked for space wolves, it was full of legion of the damned, you never even knew they were in there!

I'm thinking we are not thinking cheesy enough. I'm gonna start using my drop pods to ds my wolf guard terms buying the drop pods extra and using the fast attack slots.

blaktoof wrote:
so the embarked unit without deep strike on its deep strike transprot is not deep striking, but is arriving, and deep striking, but may not be arriving by deep strike because we have a rules sequence that "arrive by deepstrike" literally means but we went on to say they are arriving and deepstriking so who knows what we the authors meant.

This basically sums up the Thread. I agree with Jinx that the wording makes it extremely easy to assume (or see intent) that the Unit inside is Deep Striking. I am also quite sure that the intent of all "status arrivals" (Scout/DS/Infiltrate/...) has always been to confer the restrictions on Transport and their units (and their joined IC), but unfortunately that is the realm of RaI. So when posts start with "the rules say..." only RaW can be put forward, and i would wager we all actually agree on the RaW of this.

 BlackTalos wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
so the embarked unit without deep strike on its deep strike transprot is not deep striking, but is arriving, and deep striking, but may not be arriving by deep strike because we have a rules sequence that "arrive by deepstrike" literally means but we went on to say they are arriving and deepstriking so who knows what we the authors meant.

This basically sums up the Thread. I agree with Jinx that the wording makes it extremely easy to assume (or see intent) that the Unit inside is Deep Striking. I am also quite sure that the intent of all "status arrivals" (Scout/DS/Infiltrate/...) has always been to confer the restrictions on Transport and their units (and their joined IC), but unfortunately that is the realm of RaI. So when posts start with "the rules say..." only RaW can be put forward, and i would wager we all actually agree on the RaW of this.

There is RAW to support Deepstriking Units arrive by Deep Strike through their Pod, such as on pg 135:
"Similarily you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport Vehicles in Reserve in which case they will arrive together."

The unit arrives with the Pod from Deep Strike Reserve and then follows the Placing Disembarked Models as per Transport Capacity rule of the Drop Pod *specific*, which overrided the *general* placement rule of Deep Strike.

Its not RAI vs RAW, its interpretation of RAW.

xAndurilx wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
so the embarked unit without deep strike on its deep strike transprot is not deep striking, but is arriving, and deep striking, but may not be arriving by deep strike because we have a rules sequence that "arrive by deepstrike" literally means but we went on to say they are arriving and deepstriking so who knows what we the authors meant.

This basically sums up the Thread. I agree with Jinx that the wording makes it extremely easy to assume (or see intent) that the Unit inside is Deep Striking. I am also quite sure that the intent of all "status arrivals" (Scout/DS/Infiltrate/...) has always been to confer the restrictions on Transport and their units (and their joined IC), but unfortunately that is the realm of RaI. So when posts start with "the rules say..." only RaW can be put forward, and i would wager we all actually agree on the RaW of this.

There is RAW to support Deepstriking Units arrive by Deep Strike through their Pod, such as on pg 135:
"Similarily you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport Vehicles in Reserve in which case they will arrive together."

Yes they arrive together, that doesn't necessarily meant the unit inside is arriving by Deep Strike.

If a squad is in a Valkyrie that Zooms in from Reserves, did the embarked unit arrive by Zooming?

 Happyjew wrote:

xAndurilx wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
so the embarked unit without deep strike on its deep strike transprot is not deep striking, but is arriving, and deep striking, but may not be arriving by deep strike because we have a rules sequence that "arrive by deepstrike" literally means but we went on to say they are arriving and deepstriking so who knows what we the authors meant.

This basically sums up the Thread. I agree with Jinx that the wording makes it extremely easy to assume (or see intent) that the Unit inside is Deep Striking. I am also quite sure that the intent of all "status arrivals" (Scout/DS/Infiltrate/...) has always been to confer the restrictions on Transport and their units (and their joined IC), but unfortunately that is the realm of RaI. So when posts start with "the rules say..." only RaW can be put forward, and i would wager we all actually agree on the RaW of this.

There is RAW to support Deepstriking Units arrive by Deep Strike through their Pod, such as on pg 135:
"Similarily you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport Vehicles in Reserve in which case they will arrive together."

Yes they arrive together, that doesn't necessarily meant the unit inside is arriving by Deep Strike.

If a squad is in a Valkyrie that Zooms in from Reserves, did the embarked unit arrive by Zooming?

Im sorry i dont have that book - doesnt the rule for a Valkyrie specifically says that those units deploy via deep strike?

The unit arrives with the Pod from Deep Strike Reserve and then follows the Placing Disembarked Models as per Transport Capacity rule of the Drop Pod *specific*, which overrided the *general* placement rule of Deep Strike.

I think that "arriving together" absolutely means that they are arriving by Deep Strike with their Pod.
And they are both coming from Deep Strike Reserve per RAW.

xAndurilx wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

xAndurilx wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
so the embarked unit without deep strike on its deep strike transprot is not deep striking, but is arriving, and deep striking, but may not be arriving by deep strike because we have a rules sequence that "arrive by deepstrike" literally means but we went on to say they are arriving and deepstriking so who knows what we the authors meant.

This basically sums up the Thread. I agree with Jinx that the wording makes it extremely easy to assume (or see intent) that the Unit inside is Deep Striking. I am also quite sure that the intent of all "status arrivals" (Scout/DS/Infiltrate/...) has always been to confer the restrictions on Transport and their units (and their joined IC), but unfortunately that is the realm of RaI. So when posts start with "the rules say..." only RaW can be put forward, and i would wager we all actually agree on the RaW of this.

There is RAW to support Deepstriking Units arrive by Deep Strike through their Pod, such as on pg 135:
"Similarily you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport Vehicles in Reserve in which case they will arrive together."

Yes they arrive together, that doesn't necessarily meant the unit inside is arriving by Deep Strike.

If a squad is in a Valkyrie that Zooms in from Reserves, did the embarked unit arrive by Zooming?

Im sorry i dont have that book - doesnt the rule for a Valkyrie specifically says that those units deploy via deep strike?

When disembarking yes. I'm just referring to coming in from reserves.

The unit arrives with the Pod from Deep Strike Reserve and then follows the Placing Disembarked Models as per Transport Capacity rule of the Drop Pod *specific*, which overrided the *general* placement rule of Deep Strike.

I think that "arriving together" absolutely means that they are arriving by Deep Strike with their Pod.
And they are both coming from Deep Strike Reserve per RAW.

As I mentioned earlier, I think the intent is that the unit is arriving by Deep Strike. Or to be more precise they are arriving by Deep Striking Transport. Which in my opinion amounts to the same thing. I'm not arguing RAW because I realize that RAW does not agree with me.

Valkyries are a stock standard Air-based Transport for the Imperial of Man, it does not Arrive by Deep Strike nor does it have any Rule stating it's Embarked Unit must Arrive via Deep Strike. The closest it has is a unique Disembarking method, granting permission for the Unit to Disembark even if the Transport has moved too far that turn, but that Rule is entirely optional. This allows a player to simply not evoke that Rule till long after the Transport itself has Arrived. That makes it very difficult to state that the Embarked Unit is somehow Arriving by Deep Strike, given they might not even use a method similar to Deep Strike at all....

Even if the Embarked Unit did evoke this Rule, and doing so counts as 'Arriving via Deep Strike,' doesn't it sort of ruin the concept that the two must be arriving by the same method thanks to the 'together' wording?
Last I looked, the Zooming flyer didn't Deep Strike at all....

 Happyjew wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, I think the intent is that the unit is arriving by Deep Strike. Or to be more precise they are arriving by Deep Striking Transport. Which in my opinion amounts to the same thing. I'm not arguing RAW because I realize that RAW does not agree with me.

Interesting view point...

I think its RAW:
(please excuse the bold - they are used for clarity and not as exclaimations)

Deployment:
Pg 74 Codex Space Wolves:
"Dop Pods and units embarked upon them must be held in Deep Strike Reserves"

Arrival:
Pg 135:
"Similarily you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport Vehicles in Reserve in which case they will arrive together."

Pods arrive by Deep Strike with the unit embarked inside: they arrive together, with the unit inside the Pod as per the first quote.

Arrival by Deep Strike:
"First, place one model from the unit anywhere on the table in the position where you would like it to arrive and roll for scatter to determine the model's final position."
The position has to be inside the Pod as it is embarked.

The position it has to arrive in is embarked on the Pod - as it is embarked as per Pg 80, which also contains:
"If the players need to measure a range involving the embarked unit (except for its shooting), this range is measured to or from the vehicle's hull.

"Next , the unit's remaining models are aranged around the first..."
Again, embarked on the Pod. The Pod's specific rules for disembarkation overrides the normal rule for Deep Strike placement

Inertial Guidence and Transport capacity override the first two Arrive by Deep Strike requirements (*specific beats general*)
"If a Drop Pod (and the embarked unit) scatters on top of impassable terrain or another model, reduce the scatter distance by the minimum required..."
"Once a Drop Pod lands, all passengers must disembark"

So you have a unit arriving by deep strike inside a vehicle that overrides normal arrival rules.
This unit arrives with the transport, from Deep Strike Reserve and follows its own rules for arranging the models (i.e. disembarkation).

Wrong, rules are only overridden when specifically stated to be overridden. That's what specific means.

Nothing in the pod rules states "...instead of placing as per deep strike..." Or similar, so the pod rules do NOT override the ds rules.

Arriving together does not, implicitly or otherwise, require that they have arrived by the same method.

A unit on a zooming Valkyrie has arrived with the Valkyrie, but has never zoomed to do so - it cannot do so

A unit inside a ds pod has arrived with the pod, but that does not require, implicitly or otherwise, that the unit has arrived by ds as well.. In fact, as proven repeatedly, it CANNOT have arrived by ds, as it has followed NONE of th ds rules and has no rule allowing it to ignore the ds rules

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, rules are only overridden when specifically stated to be overridden. That's what specific means.

Nothing in the pod rules states "...instead of placing as per deep strike..." Or similar, so the pod rules do NOT override the ds rules.

Arriving together does not, implicitly or otherwise, require that they have arrived by the same method.

A unit on a zooming Valkyrie has arrived with the Valkyrie, but has never zoomed to do so - it cannot do so

A unit inside a ds pod has arrived with the pod, but that does not require, implicitly or otherwise, that the unit has arrived by ds as well.. In fact, as proven repeatedly, it CANNOT have arrived by ds, as it has followed NONE of th ds rules and has no rule allowing it to ignore the ds rules

"Wrong" (as you so elequently put it) is subjective unless you back this up with actual quotes.

This is laid out with the RAW as provided above.

if you was forced to put them in the pod then yes it would be fine but you are making a decision to put them there in your combined reserves. With that said, Lod Has no dedicated transports listed. Because the unit has to arrive via deep strike. Aka roll the dice for it to scatter. Secondly if you put it in a pod and use its internal guidance system to correct a mishap then you are then using the PODS deep strike roll. I think it is very clear the Lod was never designed to use a transport on it's own. Other wise something would be listed for it heck a land raider even, But there is none. I agree this does need to be cleared up. I think it will fix a lot of thing that if they faq that units cannot use transports prior to turn one that cannot be selected in the codex as a transport for the unit. I think this is just some cheesy thing that is really stretching the rules more then ever intended. With that said yes I'm all for if you cannot beat them join them till it is fixed. Because who wants to lose because they used the right educated interpretation of the rules, but The winner was filled with a 5 gallon bucket of extra cheese and never get their win taken away or return the prize once it has been ruled not legal.

Andurilix - actually no, your "RAW" was nothing of the sort. You made some rules quotes, and then made a jump to state that they had been met. I was pointing out your error in totum, but I'll now do it line by line:

1) Having them bopth held in DSR is what requires the unit to arrive via DS, nothing more

2) You bolded that they arrive together. This only states that they arrive at the same time, and does not necessitate them arriving by the same method. Contra: the valkyrie example already cited.

3) Yes, the unit IS inside the pod. Yet you have NOT complied with the specific, unambiguous directive to "place one model...." - where is the LotD model you placed? Or, where is the specific rule allowing you to instead place the pod? Show it. First illogical leap.

4) You can measure a range. Scatter is not a range.

5) and 6) Next.... is a specific directive, which you have not followed. The unit has arrived, yet you have not arrayed them as required. The pod has a requirement for the unit to disembark, but this does not specifically override this requirement. You can tell it is not specific, because at no point does it mention something akin to "instead of placing the models as per the DS rule...". That is what specific means in the context of a rules debate, and something you have shown ignorance of by your misuse of the term.

Conclusion: you have failed, despite repeated requests to do so, to show actual, written rules that state what you claim and every argument has been rebutted.

xAndurilx, the RaW quoted "they will arrive together" does not imply they are both Deep Striking (per Valkyrie example).

"Dop Pods and units embarked upon them must be held in Deep Strike Reserves"
Emphasis was slightly off. They are not both held in DS reserves. Only the Drop Pod (Full) "must be held in Deep Strike Reserves"

The only part, and i agree, it sounds like they both Deep Strike, is this: "In the Movement phase during which they arrive, Deep Striking units..." where "they" is both units concerned, and they seem to be "Deep Striking units".

But again, it is not possible, because it all comes down to this:

Do Grey Hunters have the Deep Strike special Rule?
Can a unit Deep Strike if it Does not have the special Rule?

Both answers are "No", and those are the Rules. You cannot break the rules.

I find it interesting that the SM codex pg 99 Drop Pod Assault rule and the SW drop pod assault rule are worded differently.
The SM Codex version of the rule states "Drop Pods and units embarked upon them must be held in reserve and must enter play using the Deep Strike rules." Then the paragraph ends stating "A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod cannot charge in the turn it arrives." This to me clearly means anything disembarking from a SM Drop Pod counts as having Deep struck.
The SW Drop Pod Assault: Drop Pods and units embarked upon them must be held in Deep Strike Reserves. At the beginning of your first turn, half your Drop Pods (rounding up) automatically arrive from Reserve. The arrival of remaining Drop Pods is rolled for normally. This rule states they both count as having been in Deep Strike Reserve but not that they count as having both arrived that way.
All that said since the rules in both codices have the same rule name and there are no direct conflicts although one rule is missing the clarifying detail of the other I would think that the detailed rule should hold precedence. This is my opinion not RAW.
Sorry if this has been brought up previously I didn't read the whole thread because there is a whole lot of people just repeating themselves and not adding anything new.

Aid Unlooked For
In order for a unit to be able to Deep Strike, all models in the unit must have the Deep Strike special rule and must start the game in reserve. When placing the unit in reserves, you must tell your opponent that it is arriving by Deep Strike (sometimes called Deep Strike Reserve). Some units must arrive by deep strike. They always start the game in reserve and always arrive by Deep Strike.

Later on it explains the rule for deep strike, and transports stating that units don't give transports deep strike but that it doesn't matter if the unit inside has the deep strike special rule.

The rule for Aid Unlooked for is verbatim. Does it say specifically that Legion of the Damed has to arrive by deep strike? Or is the wording intended to give that assumption?

If I buy the LotD models a SW drop pod, the LotD and the Drop Pod are now a unit. And by these words, they both have the Deep Strike special rule then they have to arrive together and be held in reserves.