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Id check but I believe that if its an ITC event then 'character' LoW's do not give up the bonus points or the +1 to steal the first turn.

If one player has a Super Heavy/Gargantuan LoW and the other does not, the player without can roll on the Escalation Warlord Table and also earns an extra Maelstrom point for every 3 Hull Points/Wounds dealt to the Super Heavy/Gargantuan Creature LoW.

That seems more reasonable. Not sure why Infantry models are LoW anyway...

Looking forward to trying out my GK in May... can we say low model count?

When can we expect a decision on if the new Eldar Codex will be allowed at this tournament?

I'm, asking for a friend. Of course. **AHEM!**

The new Eldar codex will be allowed, much to Adam's chagrin.

I'm comfortable with the restriction that players may not field non-codex models with ranged D weapons, so if your book that starts with the word CODEX has it (lol Eldar) then you're good, otherwise no.

Yes that paints with a reasonably broad brush and sure, the Shadowsword isn't really a problem but for the sake of ease and clarity (particularly since we'll all still be picking up pieces of the sky and deciding which Malifaux crew to play in the wake of the Eldar release anyway), I'm happiest with just taking non-codex stuff out of the equation. In all honestly it's less about the gun and more about the chassis that totes it.

For those of you keeping score, this is the same style of solution I adopted during the heady days at the dawn of 7th, when codexes started getting LoW to everyone's general confusion.

I don't think any other grails were taken beyond sacred seals by impetuous hot German chicks lately, so there's no other fissures in the earth beneath our feet currently, so until next catastrophe....

 disdainful wrote:

I don't think any other grails were taken beyond sacred seals by impetuous hot German chicks lately, so there's no other fissures in the earth beneath our feet currently, so until next catastrophe....

Elsa was Austrian, actually. But hey, if it looks like a Nazi, quacks like a Nazi, and goose-steps like a Nazi...

...yes, I logged in just to correct you. D-don't look at me like that.

Are you sure Travis? I mean the World News doesn't lie.


But no my MANz are ready to walk through the new Eldar. Serpent shields nerfed, nuff said.

I reserve judgement until I can confer with Bat Boy. Unfortunately he's on a multi-state chase right now with Baby Head and Hillary Clinton's adopted Alien Baby, sooooo....

 disdainful wrote:
I reserve judgement until I can confer with Bat Boy. Unfortunately he's on a multi-state chase right now with Baby Head and Hillary Clinton's adopted Alien Baby, sooooo....

What!? You're reserving judgement when the sky is currently falling in on us!? Have you not been paying attention to the rage in the 40k Discussions Forum! My god man.

For those who don't understand sarcasm:
http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2015/04/the-sky-isnt-falling-please-stop-again.html

Eldar codex and non-sarcastic post:

I'd rather keep playing tau, but well, the new book is a really shiny penny, so I'm willing to be distracted away from the Greater Good. Is there a specific thing you guys would like to see brought next week (and get an opportunity to pound it)?

1. Yeah, I'll bring the WraithKnight
2. WraithGuard - I don't think having D-weps makes them much better than they were before. Still, if I give them Invis, *if* I get Invis ....

I don't have enough models for the Wraith Host formation, but I can bring one of the other ones, either the Dire Avenger Shrine or Aspect Host, neither game shattering.

Except for abandoning Serpent Spam, the army should play as before. Spiders and Hawks are pretty much the same. WarWalkers same. It looks like Inviso-Wraith Star is a likely build (remember I don't have an innovative brain, so if I don't see it on the 'Net, I will prolly put together something lame). Again, this is so we can explore some of the newer stuff and have fun. I'm not looking to wreck-face.
...
(obligatory joke Unless I get matched up against John.

Suggestions?

PS: We can skip the "Bring what you want" responses.

Bring max D! Put the WG in Serpents and bring those weapon platforms too! Throw D all over the place!

(No ranged D applies to Codex units or no? Missed that part...)

The codex as a whole had a lot of welcome changes, people just got WAY to focused on the stupider choices than the really cool stuff: Like all the changes to the aspects...usable banshees?!

@Brothererekose I will contest that Hawks are NOT the same by a long shot. They not only have the fastest natural move in the game (before flat outs and such) but they have a haywire vector strike that hits flyers! THAT in of itself completely changes how that unit can be played, by by fire raptor when little hawk men fly over you!

THe only real dumb change was board wide strength D. They already had S10 ap2 weapons with instant death on 6s. Why did they also need strength D? Ranged strength D is a boil on the 40k game that needs to be lanced. I mean common, dscythes are just wrong now, and the only platform I am aware of that can straight kill any super heavy in one volley. auto hit, ignores cover d weapons that can score multiple hits... Ugg

As for the wraithknight, I would have no problem with that guy except they just gave him free feel no pain... T8 with 6 wounds, gargantuan rule 3+5++ or better is hard enough for many armies that aren't marines (with grav) to deal with, but also giving him feel no pain? All in a package under 300 points? I mean damn, he makes the reactions to the release of the riptide look stupid.

 gameandwatch wrote:
@Brothererekose I will contest that Hawks are NOT the same by a long shot. They not only have the fastest natural move in the game (before flat outs and such) but they have a haywire vector strike that hits flyers! THAT in of itself completely changes how that unit can be played, by by fire raptor when little hawk men fly over you!

Okay, I'll concede they're faster and now anti-Flier. Otherwise, still squishy objective grabbers and light weight in general. Faster though.

 gameandwatch wrote:
THe only real dumb change was board wide strength D. They already had S10 ap2 weapons with instant death on 6s. Why did they also need strength D? Ranged strength D is a boil on the 40k game that needs to be lanced. I mean common, dscythes are just wrong now, and the only platform I am aware of that can straight kill any super heavy in one volley. auto hit, ignores cover d weapons that can score multiple hits... Ugg

The D-wep swing in power only changes WraithG & WKs' effect on Mutli-wound models and vehicles, and even then, mostly when you roll a for Pen/Wound. Given that the majority of models getting shot are 1 wound infantry, you won't see a difference.

@Bladwalker
I don't own the artillery nor D-Scythe fliers, just 10 WraithGuard and the WKnight, but I'm guessing I'll build the list around that. Maybe a couple options that the group can choose before announcements and pairings.

I'd still like suggestions though.

I just played Teddy and we both agree that the codex has some huge auto-includes. The Seer Council is top on my list. You can spam warp charge and get a ton of invis, which we all know is tough to beat. The smart player will never see a perils with eldar so watch for that one.

The codex should be fine if you bring an answer to invisibility and lots of anti-psykers. If your army has no answer, then I think you'll have to do the swarm and smother tactic. I don't think Travis should do any changes, maybe the change to invisibility, but I think that is already in place.

Also, no more 3+ jink, that was a huge change for the better.

Blah blah blah Eldar are great it's a golden age / yadda yadda yadda Eldar are OP 40k is over



On a serious note, we have been having internal discussions about a Grand Tournament style two-day event here at the store and a tentative date of August 8-9 has been presented.

Loose details would be: two-day tournament, 3 games Saturday, 2 games Sunday, big dinner for attendees Saturday night (maybe get a banquet hall or just descend on a local joint), full prize complement, etc.

What say you? Is that timeframe open for you guys? We're still in the very early planning stages so there's time to adjust if lots of people are out on that weekend and/or there's something else already going on...

I'm good to go

 disdainful wrote:
On a serious note, we have been having internal discussions about a Grand Tournament style two-day event here at the store and a tentative date of August 8-9 has been presented.

Loose details would be: two-day tournament, 3 games Saturday, 2 games Sunday, big dinner for attendees Saturday night (maybe get a banquet hall or just descend on a local joint), full prize complement, etc.

What say you? Is that timeframe open for you guys? We're still in the very early planning stages so there's time to adjust if lots of people are out on that weekend and/or there's something else already going on...

Argh. My In-Laws are planning an Out-of-state family reunion for that week.
Perhaps 3rd or 4th weekend of July?

I know it would be nice to space out GTs, cuz BAO on July 11th, but I surely will not miss the first GT at my FLGS.

 Brothererekose wrote:


Argh. My In-Laws are planning an Out-of-state family reunion for that week.
Perhaps 3rd or 4th weekend of July?

I know it would be nice to space out GTs, cuz BAO on July 11th, but I surely will not miss the first GT at my FLGS.

I think there is something else is going on on the 4th of July.

I will be there and so will Teddy. Great dates too! You did rent a hall for 'ard boyz as I remember, maybe Chuck's spouse's place? Please say it will be 1850! Also, you should come up with a theme, something cool that makes it different. LVO, BAO, and BB are all low on the creative side IMHO, I think we could discuss.

 disdainful wrote:
Blah blah blah Eldar are great it's a golden age / yadda yadda yadda Eldar are OP 40k is over



On a serious note, we have been having internal discussions about a Grand Tournament style two-day event here at the store and a tentative date of August 8-9 has been presented.

Loose details would be: two-day tournament, 3 games Saturday, 2 games Sunday, big dinner for attendees Saturday night (maybe get a banquet hall or just descend on a local joint), full prize complement, etc.

What say you? Is that timeframe open for you guys? We're still in the very early planning stages so there's time to adjust if lots of people are out on that weekend and/or there's something else already going on...

Coop's in

Casey, this is why I put the warp tendrils out first! There's plenty of room to adjust, I want to see what works best for the biggest group of people before I set a date.

Paul, I'm all over adding theme, next time you come in find me so we can spitball.

*edit - Sorry Casey, if Coop's in then you're SOL

I'm in as well, when ever it might end up being.

As for theme, last time we talked about this I did a whole big write up that I never sent over about a story arc for the missions. But yeah there will totally be some awesome mission design.

And I'll have a terminator helmet ready for top prize if this actually happens.

This year it will Mike. I've already begun amassing the prize / swag pool and started on prelim work on the trophies and logo, etc.

A 2day tourney sounds awesome! I think the only dates I will not be available is the first weekend of august, 1-2 I believe.

Aug. 8-9 works for me! Only dates I have to keep open in August are the weekend of the 15th.

I'm good for any weekend in August right now

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:


Argh. My In-Laws are planning an Out-of-state family reunion for that week.
Perhaps 3rd or 4th weekend of July?

I know it would be nice to space out GTs, cuz BAO on July 11th, but I surely will not miss the first GT at my FLGS.

I think there is something else is going on on the 4th of July.

Not Independenece Day, Allan, but the 25th and 26th, or the week before, is what I meant.**


**grammar by Yoda


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 disdainful wrote:
Casey, this is why I put the warp tendrils out first! There's plenty of room to adjust, I want to see what works best for the biggest group of people before I set a date.

Oh, yes, I understood that well, thus my wail of sorrow and woe that you would adjust dates for me.

 disdainful wrote:

*edit - Sorry Casey, if Coop's in then you're SOL

But then again ... it's not enough that that prick has a suhweet lookin' gal, too? And he's a nice guy. Handsome. Clean, studio quality painted army. A smart player that wins games.

And you're going to give him preference over me, anyway?

Forget it. Rage Quit. Eldar codex is weak, and under powered. Gotta throw away most of my elves.

Get bent, you tools.




**A winking emoticon isn't necessary, is it?
Okay.

 Brothererekose wrote:
#blessed

Aug. works for me as well, I can't wait!

Secondary question: The ITC list doesn't have the wraithknight on it as an allowed LoW, are we ruling it's allowed this time or no? Trying to decide how much I need to worry about one...

pleasantnoodles wrote:
Secondary question: The ITC list doesn't have the wraithknight on it as an allowed LoW, are we ruling it's allowed this time or no? Trying to decide how much I need to worry about one...

From the ITC format guidelines:

All current source material is allowed, including GW Codexes, Data Slates, Formations, and current Forge World units and army lists which are listed below.

Emphasis mine.

I'm not Travis, but I'd plan on Wraithknights being a thing going forward.

Wraithknights are legit.

Dunno why we're worried about it. Everyone can go home, 40k is over. Eldar win. I mean, multiple people have played multiple games over the past six days and at least two internet blog posts have declared that Eldar can't be beat and the rest of us are just begging for scraps from the Craftworld's table, so....



I've actually come up with a new format for the event, I'm just going to have the Eldar players play ship-captain-crew for placings and then give out door prizes to the other armies. We'll be done in time for lunch at Lucky Baldwin's!