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Plus the 10 man Intercessor squad wouldn't be able to take advantage of the Aux Grenade Launchers too well anyway, and two separate squads means you get two grenades fired.

Also with Crimson Fists you can launch that Frag for at least a little more effectiveness.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

   
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Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
   
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 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.

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The whole latest news section has been binned and there is no information about any new releases at all. Very disappointed.


I’m actually glad, and hope it’s gone for good, on reflection. By the time I got my copy of the magazine I’d already seen that section plastered everywhere online, meaning a fair chunk of the magazine I’d already read. Now at least everything is readable/useful.


White Dwarf has covered the new GW releases for about 30 years so this is a big departure. For long term subscribers its going to come as a surprise. Personally I think this is a case of them listening to the vocal minority too much, but we will see. In the future people will not be able to look through their old White Dwarfs at the releases back in the day. In 20 years (and probably a lot sooner than that) there will be no record of the Moonclan Grot releases, no catalogue, no sale listing and there will be nothing left on Warhammer Community Site about them, if that even still exists! I think thats a shame.
   
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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


I've seen it reported that it replaces the Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, MC Stalker Bolt Rifle and Bolt Rifle. Other wise it would be a Relic Only available to Ancients

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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


I've seen it reported that it replaces the Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, MC Stalker Bolt Rifle and Bolt Rifle.
I have scans of the article. It does replace any of those things. But the only model equipped with a regular Bolt Rifle that can take it is the Primaris Ancient. Lieutenants and Captains can replace their Master-Crafted Auto or Stalker Bolt Rifles though.

Because of the relic Bolt Rifle, I can't decide if I want to replace one of my Power Sword Lieutenants with an Auto Bolt Rifle Lieutenant or Stalker Bolt Rifle Lieutenant. It is pretty strong. But I am probably going to ignore it and give the relic Standard to the Primaris Ancient in my army. Well worth the -1CP for the additional relic (because I have a Power Fist on my Primaris Captain).

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


I've seen it reported that it replaces the Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, MC Stalker Bolt Rifle and Bolt Rifle.
I have scans of the article. It does replace any of those things. But the only model equipped with a regular Bolt Rifle that can take it is the Primaris Ancient. Lieutenants and Captains can replace their Master-Crafted Auto or Stalker Bolt Rifles though.

Because of the relic Bolt Rifle, I can't decide if I want to replace one of my Power Sword Lieutenants with an Auto Bolt Rifle Lieutenant or Stalker Bolt Rifle Lieutenant. It is pretty strong. But I am probably going to ignore it and give the relic Standard to the Primaris Ancient in my army. Well worth the -1CP for the additional relic (because I have a Power Fist on my Primaris Captain).


AH I guess I wasnt understanding what point you were trying to make.

I might spend the CP to get that Relic Bolter on an LT to baby sit, after spending 2 more CP to make them Liberators and give him the second WL Trait.
   
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Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time


You could actually have two HQ units benefitting from that, what with Primarchs Wrath and this weapon.

Unfortunately there's not a lot of instances for a Captain to benefit unless there's a bunch of stacking of -1 to hit. Lieutenants will get the most out of it.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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I am curious, how does Refuse to Die interact with an Ancient's banner ability or the Only In Death Does Duty End Stratagem? If I have a Captain with Refuse to Die and they get slain, and I trigger Only In Death Does Duty End to fight as if it is the Fight Phase, then I use the Refuse to Die ability at the end of the phase, and the Captain gets back up. Am I getting the sequencing right? It sounds like the Captain could use Only In Death Does Duty End a second time when he dies, right?

This seems like it would be great with the Fist of Vengeance on a Captain. A damn near neverending stream of freeish attacks!

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Irbis wrote:The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...


Was wracking my head with who you were talking about until I realized it was good ol' Haldor, right? Guy wouldn't get the relic anyway :(

casvalremdeikun wrote:I have scans of the article. It does replace any of those things. But the only model equipped with a regular Bolt Rifle that can take it is the Primaris Ancient. Lieutenants and Captains can replace their Master-Crafted Auto or Stalker Bolt Rifles though.

Because of the relic Bolt Rifle, I can't decide if I want to replace one of my Power Sword Lieutenants with an Auto Bolt Rifle Lieutenant or Stalker Bolt Rifle Lieutenant. It is pretty strong. But I am probably going to ignore it and give the relic Standard to the Primaris Ancient in my army. Well worth the -1CP for the additional relic (because I have a Power Fist on my Primaris Captain).


If you intend to use the relic rifle, I suggest just saving the extra point and going auto over stalker. The stalker is still inexplicably more expensive, I think.
   
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Yeah, especially since the regular Stalker Bolt Rifle is free and the Auto Bolt Rifle costs points. For some odd reason (GW not paying attention, I am sure), the Master-Crafted Stalker costs a point more than the Master-Crafted Auto. The Auto is generally better without the relic, so that is generally the way I go anyway.

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Hi guys I had to get the "NEW" WD, it's the New year after all

My casual review is here:

http://mr-bugman.blogspot.com/2019/01/new-year-new-white-dwarf.html

Mind Its just from a painter/sculptor point of view.
I really enjoyed the WD to be honest, I was positively surprised with it.

There was some cracking paint jobs there and I took some pictures heres a one.

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Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.

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 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.

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tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.


At least the rules we did get weren't Primaris-specific, and the 6 pages prior to the rules, along with the opening spread contained some classic marine dioramas.

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tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.
I wasn't expecting that at all. I was hoping for a special character based around one of the existing models (basically just giving a name to one of the generic models). A Primaris Pedro would have to be a regular release attached to a book.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.
I wasn't expecting that at all. I was hoping for a special character based around one of the existing models (basically just giving a name to one of the generic models). A Primaris Pedro would have to be a regular release attached to a book.


GW doesn't release rules without models. They release special character X, you can expect model for it. They don't leave it for 3rd parties to make money on the model without them having their own.

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Yeah, I suppose. Though technically those characters would have models, sort of. Oh well. I am still pleased with what Crimson Fists got. I look forward to seeing what other chapters get. I am just hoping that there isn't too much power creep and Crimson Fists don't end up at the bottom of the barrel.

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I'm curious about the Kroot kill teams - can anyone shed light on what models they have access to? Is it the whole kroot range, Shaper/Krootox Rider/Kroot Hound/Hunter?
   
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I'm curious about the Kroot kill teams - can anyone shed light on what models they have access to? Is it the whole kroot range, Shaper/Krootox Rider/Kroot Hound/Hunter?

basic kroot, krootox riders and kroot hounds

 
   
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Having read the whole WH40K section now I'd give it a big

Are GW suggesting that Index Astartes is going to be a regular feature? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy every edition it's in, but it doesn't seem fair on the other factions...

   
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 Brother Castor wrote:
Having read the whole WH40K section now I'd give it a big

Are GW suggesting that Index Astartes is going to be a regular feature? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy every edition it's in, but it doesn't seem fair on the other factions...

Index Astartes is supposedly going to be bi-monthly, alternating with an Age of Sigmar version of the series and won't be exclusively Space Marine articles.

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