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Karol wrote:
That is like saying you don't have to worry about being robbed or beaten, among good people. Technicly true, but if you live on an island alone.

If people are given an option to be donkey-caves, they are going to be donkey-caves. It is something people learn around the age of 2-3.

No, it isn't. Please stop applying your frankly skewed world view to literally everything.

like Pete Nice said, hes just a product of their environment.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I didn’t defend the rules. It’s simply not a problem between reasonable humans demonstrating empathy.

Sorry, this rule makes me frustrated. But I think my point still stands, and still places all the burden on those who it effects the most. I don’t really want to discuss my issues across the table.
Players need to know there oponant to make the call on weather they want to use the rule or not. If it is even coming up at all in a group, club or store. Then is the rule needed, players that all use it as a default probably don’t need the rule.
And players who are effected due to anything other than the basic don’t wanna stipulation need to be made visible, To gain that empathy even if they would prefer not.

 Grimtuff wrote:


No, it isn't. Please stop applying your frankly skewed world view to literally everything.

There are litteraly child rhyme about it, that you learn in kinder garden or folk proverbs. I am not smart, and still a kid, but everyone knows that, if you get friendly with someone on the team sooner or later they are going to screw you over. For placments, dorm spots or anything that lets them be better. And this can't be just a local thing, because we also have proverbs about people emigrating, and those always go something like "it is bad to bad to work for a foreigner, but it is much worse to work for Pole" or "never do buissness with family or friends, the betrayal will hurt more" etc.

This is like the most common of common things to know. And I know this ain't just a Polish or slavic thing, because people that got big like Zuckerberg or that apple guy, did that by screwing other people over. I have cousins in Canada who got got screwed over their volley ball tuition, because their friend who was gunning for the same university spot accoused the twins of being from a racist family, and by the time everything was straighted out the recruitment was over, and they had to go to a worse school. And this is normal non special, non war or conflict times. Durning communism people did much worse things to each other. There were people putting their parents and grand parents in jail, just to get a better job or an option to get a flat or car 10 years faster.

Karol wrote:
That is like saying you don't have to worry about being robbed or beaten, among good people. Technicly true, but if you live on an island alone.

If people are given an option to be donkey-caves, they are going to be donkey-caves. It is something people learn around the age of 2-3.

If anything that was implied by what I typed. It was certainly my intent to. You can read the opposite of what I posted “this is a problem if people don’t display empathy” and it has the same meaning. So your rebuttal of my post is actually an agreement, if you’d read my post.

And we're done here, what the hell people?