New Chaos Codex question.

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**KhaosBob**

In the new Chaos codex terminaters can always deep strike. My question is, does that go for Obliterators as well. I have always thought of Obliterators as terminaters in extra goodness.

**skyth**

Nope. Oblits are not termies.

**skkipper**

just as chaos terminators are not stable firing platforms for rapid firing weapons so no 24" comibolter shoots on the move

**Geddonight**

Hrm... interesting assertion. I suppose technically no terminator armor counts as stable for rapid fire since it isn't explicitly stated, eh?

**skyth**

Exactly

**the_trooper**

Posted By skkipper on 09/06/2007 8:41 PM
just as chaos terminators are not stable firing platforms for rapid firing weapons so no 24" comibolter shoots on the move

Luckily they can rapid fire and assault though.

**Blackheart666**

Posted By skyth on 09/06/2007 8:14 PM
Nope. Oblits are not termies.

correct. Obliterators are not COMPLETELY useles... just MOSTLY useless...

**Tacobake**

Nope, they're just big techmarines now. Only without the big axes or being able to fix vehicles.

**davidson**

Posted By skkipper on 09/06/2007 8:41 PM
just as chaos terminators are not stable firing platforms for rapid firing weapons so no 24" comibolter shoots on the move

Uhh I cannot find the rules under any terminator rule other than the DA, Chaos, and BA codex allowing them to fire rapid fire weapons at 24 inches while moving or even being able to rapid fire weapons and still charge.

**skyth**

The new chaos codex explicitly gives the option to charge after firing rapid fire weapons.

But it doesn't need to since anything that can move and fire heavy weapons (IE any terminator armor) can assault after firing anything.

**davidson**

Posted By skyth on 09/09/2007 8:23 PM
But it doesn't need to since anything that can move and fire heavy weapons (IE any terminator armor) can assault after firing anything.

Some rare units always count as staionary when firing rapid fire weaponds and some units can move and fire heavy weapons. Such units can charge after firing.

-4th edition Core rule book page 36.

Any non BA-DA-CSM term cannot shoot a rapid fire weapon and charge as they are only able to fire heavy weapons and move.

**Ghaz**

Any non BA-DA-CSM term cannot shoot a rapid fire weapon and charge as they are only able to fire heavy weapons and move.

Read it again. There is no restriction on the type of weapon fired. As long as they "... count as stationary when firing rapid fire weapons..." or "... can move and fire heavy weapons..." then they can "... charge after firing..." regardless of the weapon type used.

**davidson**

No, re-read it again. There is no "or"

Some rare units always count as stationary when firing rapid fire weapons AND

some units can move and fire heavy weapons.

Such units can charge after firing.

The book clearly states that there are two different types of units, those who can move and fire with heavy weapons, and those who count as stationary with rapid fire weapons.

Note that Slow and purposeful have their own special rules regarding this and can always shoot/charge with what ever.

Every codex that I've checked so far aside from DA, BA, and C:SM only say that the terminators can move and fire heavy weapons. Nothing about rapid fire weapons. So with rapid fire weapons they follow the normal rules because they have no special rules for rapid fire weapons. For the most part this was overlooked since everyone had stormbolters. But those who have combi bolters are screwed.

**skyth**

They have no ability to fire to full range with rapid-fire weapons. They can still assault after firing them though since they can move and fire heavy weapons.

The New chaos codex specifically allows assaulting after firing a rapid-fire weapon anyways.

**Ghaz**

Posted By davidson on 09/09/2007 11:52 PM
No, re-read it again. There is no "or"

Some rare units always count as stationary when firing rapid fire weapons AND

some units can move and fire heavy weapons.

Such units can charge after firing.

The book clearly states that there are two different types of units, those who can move and fire with heavy weapons, and those who count as stationary with rapid fire weapons.

Note that Slow and purposeful have their own special rules regarding this and can always shoot/charge with what ever.

Every codex that I've checked so far aside from DA, BA, and C:SM only say that the terminators can move and fire heavy weapons. Nothing about rapid fire weapons. So with rapid fire weapons they follow the normal rules because they have no special rules for rapid fire weapons. For the most part this was overlooked since everyone had stormbolters. But those who have combi bolters are screwed.

And yet again, please point out where they say a unit which always counts as stationary when firing rapid fire weapons can only charge if they fired rapid fire weapons and not heavy weapons. Please point out where it says that a unit which can move and fire heavy weapons can only assault after firing a heavy weapon and not a rapid fire weapon. The rules say no such thing. They simply say that such units can charge after firing with absolutely no restriction on they type of weapon fired. So why are you insisting that such a rule exist when the rulebook says no such thing?

**davidson**

I already have.

Please point out where it says a unit that can move and fire heavy weapons can move and fire rapid fire weapons 24 inches or charge after firing a rapid fire weapon.

It's pretty easy, there is no such rule pre DA codex.

Posted By Ghaz on 09/10/2007 9:43 AM
They simply say that such units can charge after firing with absolutely no restriction on they type of weapon fired. So why are you insisting that such a rule exist when the rulebook says no such thing?

In plain english the rule book says there is a difference. Do not assume just because they can move, charge, and fire a heavy weapon they can do so with a rapid fire weapon.

**Triggerbaby**

Toss a spoon in a bucket of seawater and buckle up your disco boots, folks. The summer sequels clearly aren't over yet.

**KeithGatchalian**

The ruling you have bought up in question states " Such units can charge after firing".

That line in and of itself does not differentiate between what kind of weapon is fired. It simply says..well...after firing it can charge. If you could somehow put a demolisher cannon on such a unit, you could even charge after firing it, because that line trumps any restrictions.

So yes, a terminator can fire after shooting a rapid fire weapon. It can charge after firing any weapon.

**davidson**

Ah ok thank you that clears up the being able to rapid fire and charge question.

I just wish they would allow terminators to fire rapid fire weapons at 24 inches when they move.

**DaIronGob**

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS DISCUSSION MUST DIE!!!!

**snooggums**

Posted By davidson on 09/10/2007 2:28 PM
Ah ok thank you that clears up the being able to rapid fire and charge question.

I just wish they would allow terminators to fire rapid fire weapons at 24 inches when they move.

Hopefully they don't restrict that ability to Terminator Armor like they have the fire heavy weapons as stationary have because general Space Marine Terminators don't wear terminator armor. That's why I field Blood Angel Terminators that do >

**onlainari**

Posted By davidson on 09/10/2007 2:28 PM
Ah ok thank you that clears up the being able to rapid fire and charge question.

I just wish they would allow terminators to fire rapid fire weapons at 24 inches when they move.

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