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I have a friend who woud like to use Feral Orks with allied Kroot Mercs for the 'Ard Boyz tournament coming up.  The question came up as to whether or not this was a legal combination.  Both armies are on the approved lists, but is it permissible to ally the kroot with the Orks?  I've called my FLGS, and they are looking into it, but I thought someone here might also have a reference or source to answer this question.

The approved armies list specifically calls out that Space Marines may take Inquisitorial allies but does not reference other types of allies being used.  This is what started the discussion as to the legality of other allies.

Along those same lines, the Kroot Mercs list also specifies that for allies in games above 2000pts, another detachment of Kroot Mercs is used.  If it turns out that you can ally them, I'm looking for clarification on exactly how to accomplish that since my understanding is that we're limited to one FOC.

Any help with finding these answers is greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Daydream

No.

Back in the day it was perfectly reasonable to ally with other races, combine factions, and mix and match. Because of the " New and Improved" cerca 3d edition, the armies do not ally with other factions, aside from the freakshow that the Inquisition has become, thanks to The Eye of terror campaign. When Abbadon unleased hell on them, the lines between the factions blurred a little to let some interaction between gameing and the aftermath in the two inquisition books brought up the Lost and the Damned, and some interaction on the part of the game.

In the campaign system, they have let people go ahead and have limited alliances, but the game is yours( or so Gav the newb and Jervis the gimp spout) and I say if you want to have the feral orks ally with the kroot, then you go ahead and do what thou wilst.

I am working on a few squads of marauder based human auxilery for the tau, and you can be sure that they will be allying with the kroot themselves to provide much bloodshed and target fodder for the gaming group that I am getting on with here. With your example, I cam probibly be looking at a load of orks as well to partake in the greater good as well.

Thanks for the idea.

If using kroots as a mercenary list, they simplified them to only let you use the kroot themselves, providing for the additions of the eaten enemies, such as the wings for some, the ork bodies , the tenticles, pus filled bile monsters, etc. They removed the list, but I have seen it awhile ago, and the modeling was what determined the adaptation.

You won't get any love at the tourny for the ork/ kroot list.

Yes. It is perfectly legal to combine kroot mercenaries with ANY army out there, as per their rules in chapter approved. There are some restrictions, just as there are with Daemonhunters and Witchhunters, but with Kroot, you CAN ally.

I think the only armies they couldn't ally with were Tau (since they have their own Kroot units) and Inquisitorial armies (DH and WH). They also might not have been able to ally with Dark Angels but I can't recall.

EDIT: Hellfury's got the rules up, so that would be accurate 'n stuff (I was away from my WD! Really!).   

Posted By Angron on 09/10/2007 4:29 PM
Yes. It is perfectly legal to combine kroot mercenaries with ANY army out there, as per their rules in chapter approved. There are some restrictions, just as there are with Daemonhunters and Witchhunters, but with Kroot, you CAN ally.

Spoken like someone who has no idea what the hell they are talking about.
5 armies are restricted from taking them:

Space marines, Necrons, Sisters of Battle, Tau and Tyranids.

Dont take my word for it, read it yourself.



Now if youre reffering to Apocalypse....all bets are off.

Thanks for the picture Hellfury, I think that will help those that have previously responded.

When we were looking at the Kroot Merc rules, it was never a question of whether Orks could normally ally with them in friendly games. Nor is there any question of them being able to be used on their own since they are on the approved army list. This question was specifically directed to the Ard Boyz tournament and using them as allies.

Since allies are specified in the SM section, and not anywhere else, is this not allowed? Or was it so obvious as to not be needed?

Perhaps we're making a mountain out of molehill, but I'd rather get some confirmation up front than have my friend show up and not be able to use his list.

Thanks for your responses so far.

Daydream

The only person who can answer this question correctly is the GW events department. If you haven't sent them an email already I would do so immediately (or call them tommorrow).

My gut feeling is that they aren't going to allow Kroot allies. While the rules specifically do allow Kroot armies that doesn't necessarily mean they are allowing all facets of the Kroot Mercenary rules (such as the allies) just the Kroot Merc army itself.


But that's really just speculation. Again, you should email them (GWTournaments@games-workshop.com) or give them a call and ask for the events department.

Ok, ok, ok, so there are some armies that can't take them... orks however, aren't one of those armies.... so "doesn't know what the hell he's talking about" seems to know a little about what the hell he's talking about... so relax.... no more coffee for you.... you're too tense

You didn't say "Orks are not one of the armies restricted". You said "It is perfectly legal to combine kroot mercenaries with ANY army out there".

Oh, I totally agree I was mistaken in what I said. However, for not having the book infront of me I was not totally mistaken, as orks are allowed to. I was not objecting to what was said, just the level of venom with which it was said.

At least he didn't bring the hammer.