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 Fafnir wrote:

What's more, Chrono Trigger has one hell of a reputation as far as classic videogames are concerned. I didn't have the good sense to be born in time to appreciate the era of the Super Nintendo, but for those who managed to, Chrono Trigger was probably one of their very first, and most impacting RPGs. And I don't think I even need to make a proper statement to account for The Legend of Zelda.

This-100% this. I'm not shocked to see a Chrono Trigger shout out here. Much like KD if you don't set up within the first 10 game minutes a specific event then half way through the game.....


It feels like KD and how it plays.

Well, using making anything from fan expansions canon is obviously one hell of a stretch, especially with Adam keeping a firm grasp on the integrity of his world (which is something I admire, and hope to do with my future works). But I'd still like to see a homebrew community develop, this game looks to have some serious potential for it.

Spot on Fafnir!

And due to the overwhelming success of this Kickstarter, I think Adam and Co. will actually be spending most of their time trying to deliver everything from this project.

He's got high quality standards, which is good for all of us of course, but which may make even hitting that November ship date a challenge!

 Fafnir wrote:
On other note, with the Kickstarter good and most certainly done, what will happen to Kingdom Death between now and November? Will Poots and crew lay low for the better part of the year, while putting all the pieces together, or will they continue to release new models in their original line of miniatures throughout the year? I really do hope for the latter to be possible, even if at a slower pace.

I asked him this question, and he said that most of the work will go to finalize the game, the partners and taking care of KS business. But he said that his intentions are to still continue to produce and release a few miniatures between now and "November". Honestly, releasing miniatures in his world shouldn't be too difficult, not considering the amazing talent he has got working with him (Allan Carrasco, Thomas David, etc.). He could easily give them quite the freedom and they'd nail it. Of course, he doesn't really need to do it, but there will be a huge market from between now and November for his range. He could easily make a lot of more money by re-stocking, re-selling and getting new miniatures out there. But, again, I think that he will be more than occupied with the fullfillment of his KS (and possibly getting ready to start his "Heroes" game).

 RiTides wrote:
That is a great cost-per-model, KoganStyle, assuming he can deliver on the material. I really hope these models don't look like Zombiecide's! What people are expecting (and paying for) is far, far better.

Hey now, let's give Zombiecide it's due. For a straight boardgame (which is what it is) I think it's miniatures are perhaps best in industry. One could make the argument for something like Super Dungeon Explore or perhaps even Gears of War, but as traditional board games with miniatures goes, Zombiecides are quite nice.

I don't expect that we'll be disappointed as long as they get the correct plastic to cast in. I have a feeling Mr. Poots will be doing some talking with the McVey's and SodaPop about this, and I bet we'll get a better feeling for what these new plastics can do once all of us get our grubby little paws on Sedition Wars over the next week or so.

I had to bite on this, all the giant awesome monsters and Cooperative gameplay! I picked up a BF1 survivor and all the expansions and some messengers, but even if the gameplay ends up being less than ideal I'm sure with the heavy discount Adam gave us I could easily get my money back with fee-bay .

Maybe yes, maybe no!

If the game is a bust (and I do NOT think it will be), there are some 4000+ copies of the stuff due to be released into the wild at some point!

The only way I see it not being in impossibly high demand is if Adam can't work out a good plastic solution and the minis are sub par. I don't think that will happen, I doubled my money when I decided Zombicide was not for me. The ability to play this with 1-6 players and allowing survivors to drop in and out of a settlement without hurting the others makes it alot easier to organize and with all the expansions a VERY long campaign is feasible.

I was going to go in for over $300 myself till I realized I wasn't going to be able to get anyone locally to play this and that I wasn't even sure the gameplay was for me. So I dropped to about half that and wound up with a total of 13 miniatures that should be gorgeous. But honestly it was Kara and Guts who pushed me over the line even that far. Though both twilight knights and the white speaker look amazing.

Hulk, one of the things I liked about the base game is that you can play a settlement solo and it seemed like a good time. I am a little worried the game might suffer from Arkham Horror syndrome wiht 3 phases and tons of cards for each phase and resources and equipment etc I hope Adam takes some time to consider how the box will be used after all the minis are unpacked.

So I've currently only gone in for the models (kara, beyond the wall and the twilight knights) as I was not sure about the game but loved the sculpts, now here's the thing, the more I reAd the more I think actually I could be willing to blow a lot of cash on this. Do you think there will be the option to up pledges through a pledge manager in a few weeks time (a la sedition wars)?

 Sirius42 wrote:
So I've currently only gone in for the models (kara, beyond the wall and the twilight knights) as I was not sure about the game but loved the sculpts, now here's the thing, the more I reAd the more I think actually I could be willing to blow a lot of cash on this. Do you think there will be the option to up pledges through a pledge manager in a few weeks time (a la sedition wars)?

Believe it's been said before, but I could be wrong. I believe Adam said no upping pledges after the KS ends.

Sirius42, sadly it has already been confirmed there will NOT be an option to add funds after the Kick Starter. You could probably move $155 of your options to get a survivor pledge. Most of the pinups and resin minis will be on general release later and the pinups discount is much less than the game and expansions.

Oh we'll never mind, to be honest by the time I found out about this (2-3 days ago) the Ks site was so full of stuff that I barely knew which way was up, it became very confusing. I might send them an email and try to sort it out that way. Thanks for the info.

 Sirius42 wrote:
Oh we'll never mind, to be honest by the time I found out about this (2-3 days ago) the Ks site was so full of stuff that I barely knew which way was up, it became very confusing. I might send them an email and try to sort it out that way. Thanks for the info.

I hear ya on that, I saw it about 10 pages back when someone said it, this thread moved very fast.

Sirius, yea, Kingdom Death being a 1 man operation really made organization very rough but I think he did his best and the community had some tools around to help figure out pledge values. The game will be available at a later date and so will the expansions. You'd just have to wait for after the Kick Starter fulfillment, which you'd have to sort of wait for either way. Can't hurt to send Adam an email to see, and maybe watch Ebay if that doesn't work.

Due to the herald rewards i would expect to see a lot of kd stuff go straight on ebay once it arrives.

My pledge came to 205 so i added a second game box to hit herald whilst taking some of the sting out of the price, id be suprised if others havent done the same. I may change the sceond game to some limited edition stuff if it sounds like there is more demand for that.

 Bulkoth wrote:
Hulk, one of the things I liked about the base game is that you can play a settlement solo and it seemed like a good time. I am a little worried the game might suffer from Arkham Horror syndrome wiht 3 phases and tons of cards for each phase and resources and equipment etc I hope Adam takes some time to consider how the box will be used after all the minis are unpacked.

Right with you here. I don't expect my wife to have much interest in this, but I actually like doing some solo boardgaming here and there. Relieves the stress on my eyes of videogaming, for sure but it also had that tactile aspect that seems to be getting further lost. We're humans. We like to touch stuff and move stuff around and investigate stuff. I've had a lot of fun playing D-Day Dice solo recently, so I'm all in for this a solo game.

So I've emailed Adam, guess we shall see.

Let us know how it goes, might help some others. I'm hoping Adam is able to keep up the excellent updates we've been getting so we have something every week or two to get excited about.

I just wanted to say that, for as whiny and critical as we can be here at Dakka, I just went and browsed the Forums at BGG and man....we can't hold a candle to those folks. Yikes.

 cincydooley wrote:
I just wanted to say that, for as whiny and critical as we can be here at Dakka, I just went and browsed the Forums at BGG and man....we can't hold a candle to those folks. Yikes.

Dakka's primary concern is usually the miniatures and the aesthetics of the pieces rather than the gameplay (after all, look at how many 40k players exist).
BGG's main concern is the gameplay, and there haven't been many gameplay videos highlighting exactly and specifically what the rules are.

Thankfully, my interests align with Dakka. Even if the game is mediocre, I'll have tons of pretty miniatures.

 cincydooley wrote:
I just wanted to say that, for as whiny and critical as we can be here at Dakka, I just went and browsed the Forums at BGG and man....we can't hold a candle to those folks. Yikes.

The difference between BGG and DakkaDakka is that BGG was mainly concerned with actual gameplay while DakkaDakka is more concerened with the models.

In the end I think it was a combination of BGG and my overall mehness about the models that made me drop my pledge. I do have to admit though I do seem to be in the vast minority when I say the models didn't do much for me.

Schmapdi wrote:

primalexile wrote:
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My phoenix, watcher, twilight knight, snow the savior and white speaker are all going for sale. I am only after things that actually are useful in the game.

I thought he said that the Savior did have an in-game use? Something about survivors having a small chance to being born a savior, which had special powers.

Plus the Twilight Knight and White Speaker might not have a use for Kingdom Death: Monster, but what about Kingdom Death: Hero? I'd hang on to them just in case.

Kingdom Death: Hero is a very long way out I will cross that bridge when we get to it. I have read a bit on kingdomdeath.com where he has descriptions about the Hero's and their abilities and it may be a game I actually sit out on. I love the idea of Survival Horror the hero aspect removes the bottom of the food chain idea.

Alas I have very little interest in pin up models and the savior is a model I just do not like at all. With all of the extra armor kits and heads I will make my own Savior if I ever get one for my settlement.

The Twilight Knight is cool looking but not something I would ever display in my case or have commissioned to be painted so it will go up for sale. (Most likely I will try to trade them to reduce the cost of hiring a commission painter) If I do sell them all funds will go toward having someone paint everything else.

 cincydooley wrote:
Did you get the boxed game? It comes with Two plastic watchers.

Only went for the "Options Only". The game was not grabbing me and wasn't crazy about the Phoenix.

I agree that not all the minis were spot on my style. I love some of them like Dragon King, King's Hand, etc, I nearly didn't buy Gorm because I really am not a fan but I'm primarily a gamer even tho I enoy painting etc so I'm banking on the gameplay being solid but like it's been stated BGG is trying to discuss a small amount of info to extrapolate balance, it just can't work.

 Bulkoth wrote:
I agree that not all the minis were spot on my style. I love some of them like Dragon King, King's Hand, etc, I nearly didn't buy Gorm because I really am not a fan but I'm primarily a gamer even tho I enoy painting etc so I'm banking on the gameplay being solid but like it's been stated BGG is trying to discuss a small amount of info to extrapolate balance, it just can't work.

BGG raised alot of good concerns over gameplay though, enough for me to rethink my pledge.

What got me was him repeatedly talking about protecting IP... You can't trademark/copyright/anything game mechanics, so why not share the rules.

That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.

 Bulkoth wrote:
That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.

They still could, there isn't much he can protect other then actual art...

If this wasn't the case then every board game company wouldn't have a deck builder.

If I had a few guesses:

1. He doesn't have the rules in a "presentable" format. He probably has them in a word file or something like that and, in order to make them look appropriate for distribution, there's probably some work to be done on them

2. The rules sound like they're still in a relatively alpha format. And with the game 11 months away, I think thats perfectly reasonable.

3. I don't think his concerns are in complete regard to the game mechanics, but making sure the other IP related issues are ironed out before he gives anything out elsewhere. Perhaps he even has concern that he may have something that has IP implications. Just speculation, but that portion doesn't concern me at all.

4. The BGG crowd isn't talking about playtesting, testing groups, etc, because they're being altruistic. They're talking about it because they want in on it. Let's not get that twisted.

5. For many of the BGG folks, they've got huge concerns about any kind of miniatures at all. These are the same folks that, IIRC, complained heartily because they had to glue the Battles of Westeros models into their bases. Attaching an arm to something is far beyond the scope of some of them, and I'd wager many that are interested in the game only would prefer if there were just cardboard tokens.

Regardless, the sense of entitlement there is quite substantial . Makes us look like an easy to please crowd.