Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : P99 Bulletin #50

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**ImAGeek**

I can't say it's like that now... There's one on a Monday with the new blog post, one on a Friday with the new releases and maybe 1/2 in the week with event information or something.

**Azreal13**

That's what it always was, they just went through a phase (probably festively related) where they turned into real spammers.

Bridges burned as far as I'm concerned, I know where they are if I want something, the stuff they're releasing often popped up on Dakka before my email arrived anyway, and as a result of their being irresponsible with my contact details, I've removed the chance they had to market to me directly.

**ImAGeek**

Fair enough

dunno if I missed that phase or just didn't pay attention. But yeah, the previews and stuff they send you are up on here within minutes anyway.

**aka_mythos**

Well I dunno what volume constitutes spam but in general, going back for the last 2 years I have recieved 3 messages a week. Starting the two weeks before Christmas and continuing to today I've recieved an email every business day.

**SirDonlad**

aka_mythos wrote:
Well I dunno what volume constitutes spam but in general, going back for the last 2 years I have recieved 3 messages a week. Starting the two weeks before Christmas and continuing to today I've recieved an email every business day.

I'd call that spam for sure.

**ImAGeek**

aka_mythos wrote:
Well I dunno what volume constitutes spam but in general, going back for the last 2 years I have recieved 3 messages a week. Starting the two weeks before Christmas and continuing to today I've recieved an email every business day.

About what? Because I'm subscribed too and I haven't had one today, or everyday since before Christmas...

**Azreal13**

Today's not a business day.

**ImAGeek**

Azreal13 wrote:
Today's not a business day.

He said continuing til today... And it is for them, because today was the last day you could use the free shipping voucher so they must've been open. And that doesn't change the fact that they haven't emailed every day since 2 weeks before Christmas. The only thing I can think is maybe he had something in his basket, because then you get the annoying 'you have items in your basket' automated email things.

**Azreal13**

I think you're falling into the trap of missing the general by focusing on the specific there dude, but either way, if the perception from some consumers is that the emails have reached a point where they're perceived to be annoying rather than interesting, whether they've actually been sending them out everyday or no, then FW have probably been overdoing them.

**ImAGeek**

Fair enough but people are making it out to be much worse than it actually is. Either way if it's annoying just unsubscribe.

**Azreal13**

I'm not, I experienced it, and I did.

In fact, I've just checked my inbox. From roughly the middle of November to early Dec when I unsubscribed, I received at least one per working day, on two occasions I received two, and I've probably deleted several emails from that lot.

Most weren't newsletters, they were news "flashes" which were essentially "buy this! We sell this! Did you know we sell these!" in nature. Before that point, they were, as you say, a couple of times a week.

**Peregrine**

ImAGeek wrote:
Fair enough but people are making it out to be much worse than it actually is.

I don't see that at all. People are quite reasonably pointing out that FW is spamming us with low-content emails, and it's kind of annoying. Nobody is claiming that it's the end of the world or that FW is the worst ever because of this.

As for the why, I wonder if this is a "main GW" thing. It seems like the kind of clueless move they'd do, their old copy of How the Internet Works from 1998 probably has a bit about how email advertising is a great way to increase sales, so FW gets a monthly quota of "PLEASE BUY SOMETHING" emails to fill.

**Red Corsair**

I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.

Thats OK though I am just gona sit here and wait for my Iron Warriors to get some love! I want more then a contemptor dang it!

**Zuul**

Red Corsair wrote:
I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.

Thats OK though I am just gona sit here and wait for my Iron Warriors to get some love! I want more then a contemptor dang it!

Have you grabbed up the citadel warsmith? I love that model.

**Frozen Ocean**

Red Corsair wrote:
I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.

I don't think "less is more" has ever been applied to the Night Lords. Definitely not in models. I pity the person who has to attempt to make a decent design with the limitation of "they have to have bat wings on their heads".

**MajorStoffer**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.

I don't think "less is more" has ever been applied to the Night Lords. Definitely not in models. I pity the person who has to attempt to make a decent design with the limitation of "they have to have bat wings on their heads".

Yeah, that's not something I'd like to have to work with as an artist.

the aesthetic for Night Lords has always been, quite frankly, bad and overly cartoonish, beyond even Forgeworld's considerable talent in trying to make 40k look remotely plausible. The problem, I imagine, would be to differentiate them aesthetically from Alpha Legion and Raven Guard if they tried to ground them too much; they'd just be another dark colour palette Marine army with a few extra "deranged" add-ons.

**Red Corsair**

Great points guys, but honestly the HH era guys didn't all have bat wings on their heads. I mean I find it strange that the last model posted in here of an alpha legionary would make way more sense as a night lord lol.

Just put flayed skin loin cloths and masks on some of the leaders (not every fething one) and some chains of finger and rib bones and let the painter differentiate them. Night lords are one of those factions where 95% of their identity is from their paint job so the sculpt has a rare opportunity to be subtle. I mean I can paint a bare bones tactical squad midnight blue with lightning and there is no question what faction I'm playing, don't even need icons. You can't do that with many other factions.

I hate the loony bat wings on heads, it makes the scale look even worse by putting more focus on their already big heads.

That glaive kills me as well, but I don't mind it much as I would just use the head off a chain axe in place of it, however the pose is moronic, why would you give a guy with a pole arm a duelists dagger? I loved Kharn who was incredibly basic, yet screaming with identity, he's a perfect example of less being more IMHO.

**Frozen Ocean**

Every Legion has a particular theme, and so far we've seen the characters be the utmost example of that theme. Just as the Imperial Fists characters are covered in fists and laurels and so on, the Night Lords characters will be covered in bat wings and other silly "scary" embellishments. There's no way around it - those have been the icons by which the Night Lords have been recognised for a very long time. Would you really be happy if a Character Series model from your favourite Legion was "left up to the painter" to give identity?

Also, lightning bolts are a very specific thing, so it's kind of like saying that you could paint a Tactical Marine red with black droplets and it would be immediately recognisable as a Blood Angel. Still, most of the Legions can easily be identified by their colour scheme alone, especially the Imperial Fists (same goes for many xenos factions). The only instance where a colour scheme might be confused between two primary factions would be Raven Guard and Black Templars because they're both black and white.

Also ugh, don't talk to me about that Alpha Legionnaire's face. It looks like an actual joke.

EDIT: That said, the Night Raptors look pretty okay.

**JWBS**

They sent me one email every day in December. Unsubscribing was easy though, nothing since. I just read this thread now for news.

**Ignatius-Grulgor**

I've avoided the bat wings on all my night lords models so far, the lightning and skull face helms are enough by themselves to differentiate them, throw in the occasional skin coated armour piece or corpse trophy and how much more do you really need to not be 'evil looking crimson fists'.

**Yodhrin**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
Every Legion has a particular theme, and so far we've seen the characters be the utmost example of that theme. Just as the Imperial Fists characters are covered in fists and laurels and so on, the Night Lords characters will be covered in bat wings and other silly "scary" embellishments. There's no way around it - those have been the icons by which the Night Lords have been recognised for a very long time. Would you really be happy if a Character Series model from your favourite Legion was "left up to the painter" to give identity?

Also, lightning bolts are a very specific thing, so it's kind of like saying that you could paint a Tactical Marine red with black droplets and it would be immediately recognisable as a Blood Angel. Still, most of the Legions can easily be identified by their colour scheme alone, especially the Imperial Fists (same goes for many xenos factions). The only instance where a colour scheme might be confused between two primary factions would be Raven Guard and Black Templars because they're both black and white.

Also ugh, don't talk to me about that Alpha Legionnaire's face. It looks like an actual joke.

EDIT: That said, the Night Raptors look pretty okay.

I've never liked "spoof" armies very much...but that AL model is giving me serious urges to make a squad of Meme Marines using the old Movie Marines rules, all in white with black accents and each with a different memeface helmet

**Goatmoerser**

Did anyone notice that they put Sevatar on a new 32mm base?

I can't really figure out what bases the two new IF are standing on. Would be really interesting to know if FW joins GW and puts their Marines on the new bases now.

**ImAGeek**

I hope they start coming with the 32mm. Luckily, I only have about 15 on bases if I want to rebase them.

**Peregrine**

Goatmoerser wrote:
Would be really interesting to know if FW joins GW and puts their Marines on the new bases now.

I don't see why they wouldn't, the larger bases are the new standard for MEQs and for a good reason. The only argument against the new bases is an appeal to tradition and I can't imagine FW caring too much about that.

**Slayer-Fan123**

I dunno what you guys are smoking, but Sevatar looks fantastic.

**Desubot**

I like how his head piece makes a cute little heart on his head. (the two bat wings)

Its adorable.

Cant wait till Alexis

**Frozen Ocean**

Turning the wings into something more like horns was a good move. They actually look okay on Sevatar and the Night Raptors. If I were a Night Lords fan, I'd probably like him. The "I'm wearing a person" look has never appealed to me. That said, his chainglaive is fine, especially if the blades are powered.

Larger bases make sense. GW designers said it looked better, and Forge World are all about the looks. It also means they can incorporate more design into the base. That chunk of stair wouldn't look as good in 25mm.

**reds8n**

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_46.html

FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #46

As a hobbyist, it’s always exciting to walk through the Forge World Studio and see the great new models being worked on and talk to the designers about their projects. With the Horus Heresy Weekender coming up, there are more models than ever being finished and put into production. The Weekender will be a great chance for those of you attending to see these new models first and speak to their designers. One beautiful brute of a model caught my eye this week, and I hear that he and his squad will be ready in time for the event. Take a look…

A hulking new model that’ll be smashing its way out of the Forge World Studio pretty soon!

For more of what’s coming up at the Horus Heresy Weekender, make sure you check out our Newsflash this Wednesday.

It’s great to see different painting styles and techniques in use. More than a few of the designers in the Forge World Studio keep an airbrush in their painting armoury. Keith Robertson has put his to great effect in getting his Mechanicum army started. The metallic, cherry-red paint scheme really makes Keith’s Castellax Battle-automata and Thallax stand out.

The start of Keith’s Mechanicum Taghmata Omnissiah army.

If you’re coming to the Horus Heresy Weekender and want to learn more about airbrushing techniques, join designer Phil Stutcinskas at his Airbrushing Demo Pod. Take a look at the full Weekender schedule HERE.

That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.

Chris.

**BrookM**

Finally, Charonites are on the way!

**ImAGeek**

BrookM wrote:
Finally, Charonites are on the way!

And looking freaking sweet! FW reallyyyy want me to do Solar Auxilia...