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Made in us
Crazed Zealot




The moon of Titan

Having recently switched my army composition to a pure Sisters list from a Daemonhunters/Witch Hunters hybrid and discovering it to be very effective, I now am at a loss for what to do with my Daemonhunters.
I really want to ally them in, but I have no idea where, as anything I decide to add costs a ridiculous amount of points and takes Faith away.
Here is my list currently:

--HQ--

Canoness
-Cloak of St. Aspira
-Eviscerator
-Inferno Pistol
-Jump Pack
(125 pts)

Canoness
-Cloak of St. Aspira
-Eviscerator
-Inferno Pistol
-Jump Pack
(125 pts)

--Troops--

10 Sisters of Battle w/ Heavy Flamer and Melta
-Veteran Superior w/ Book of St. Lucius
-Rhino w/ Smoke and Extra Armor
(209 pts)

10 Sisters of Battle w/ Heavy Flamer and Melta
-Veteran Superior w/ Book of St. Lucius
-Rhino w/ Smoke and Extra Armor
(209 pts)

--Fast Attack--

8 Seraphim w/ 2x Twin Hand Flamers
-Veteran Superior w/ Eviscerator
(225 pts)

7 Seraphim w/ 2x Twin Hand Flamers
-Veteran Superior w/ Eviscerator
(203 pts)

--Heavy Support--

Exorcist
(135 pts)

Exorcist
(135 pts)

Exorcist
(135 pts)

I'm thinking of dropping a Seraphim squad to add either:

3 GK Terminators w/ Psycannon
-Brother-Captain w/ Psycannon
(208 pts)

OR

5 Grey Knights w/ 2x Psycannon
-Justicar w/ Psycannon (yes, it's legal)
(230 pts)

OR

Inquisitor w/ Psycannon, Emperor's Tarot & Power Armor
-3 Gun Servitors (2 Heavy bolters, 1 Plasma Cannon)
-2 Sages
-1 Mystic
(196 pts)

The idea here is that my Daemonhunters can sit back and plunk shots as the Sisters roll up and deliver some divinely guided death. I find that Harlequins are particularly allergic to Psycannon fire, and with the ability to deepstrike my Knights or equip my Inquisitor with a Null Rod, the Veil of Tears really isn't an issue. Additionally, these guys can serve as additional CC support as well as being able to tag light vehicles and even glance Tau and Eldar skimmer tanks (albeit on a 6).

Anyways...comments and criticism beyond "your army is gay" are very much appreciated. With all the SAFH Marine, Mech Eldar, and Monster Nid armies I've seen and played, I would like to be able to at least stand a chance in Competitive play. Thanks!

I am the Hammer



 
   
Made in sg
Executing Exarch





Why no Books on your Canonesses and/or Seraphim VSSes?

I don't think the DH fill a significant gap in your army. Shooting at Harlies is a nice idea, but if the Harlies are out of their Falcon, the damage has been done.

Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
 
   
Made in us
Crazed Zealot




The moon of Titan

Gotta free up some points for books on the Canoness'. Hrmm...I guess they could fill in some hard hitting CC...but it's still expensive. Hehe, I guess I'm grabbing at straws because I don't want to let those shiny guys go to waste.

I am the Hammer



 
   
Made in sg
Executing Exarch





Why not just do a pure DH army as well?

Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
 
   
Made in us
Crazed Zealot




The moon of Titan

Well, that would be the easy way out wouldn't it . I've been batting the idea around and I think it would be a pretty fun challenge.

I am the Hammer



 
   
Made in us
Crazed Zealot




Personally, I'd swap one Canoness's Evis + Inferno pistol for a Blessed Weapon, bolt pistol, and BoSL (which puts her at 122, and lets her use her I4). I also think the 2nd Canoness should drop her Inferno pistol. She's too expensive to be a simple tank hunter (and that's what the 3 exorcists are for) and will get tied up in CC anyways. I guess I'm not a fan of one-shot weapons in general, unless it's a 1 pt bolt pistol. If you give the 2nd Canoness a book as well, that's potentially 12 points trimmed between the two.

I prefer Inferno pistols in a Seraphim squad since they can escape CC and reuse it most rounds, but definitely not mandatory. Either paired with a flamer in the first Sera squad or, if there's a smaller second squad, then 1-2 in it is my norm. I also prefer even-sized squads, so 8 or 8+6. With the slight trimming above, it leaves enough points to trade out the 2nd Seraphim for the GK Terminators without going over 1500, but I'm not sure about the extra 16 you'd need to fit the FA-Knight squad. I'd prefer either of those to the shooting DH Inquisitor, if you're trying to mix armies, as he's only so different from his WH counterpart. That, and your rhinos have the potential to deny you bits of LOS to if you're not careful about where their wreckage is strewn.

For discussion's sake:
Hasan wrote:and with the ability to ... equip my Inquisitor with a Null Rod, the Veil of Tears really isn't an issue.

My group concluded that, while the fluff of Veil of Tears implies it targets a squad's minds with hallucinations, the rules for it imply it is passive like The Shrouding and thus doesn't allow things like the Sisters' 5+ save against psy powers. If we're not mistaken completely on this, the I'd imagine that this extends to things like Null Rods since no power is affecting the wielder. If you take the stance that Null Rods cause the squad to ignore anything with a pyschic source and therefor Veil of Tears, then you're also forced to ignore the effects of things like Doom on an enemy squad (likely you'll only see this in Apoc).
   
Made in us
Crazed Zealot




The moon of Titan

Good point. I've been thinking of having just the one Canoness be a tank hunter and the other a CC assist for those exact reasons. I tend to go a bit overboard on the anti tank, coming from Daemonhunters and all . The point trimming ideas are solid...it helps to streamline the list. I'll give them a try this weekend and hopefully net some good results.

On the Null Rod....I guess I'll have to ask my group what their ideas are in terms of both fluff and rules interpretation. It kinda goes in the same vein as Mystics allowing shots at drop podders and such...really depends on who you play with. Personally, I can see the rule swinging either way, but I think it's best to go about it democratically.

Once again thanks for the comments!

I am the Hammer



 
   
Made in sg
Executing Exarch





I use one BW Canoness myself, but I'm not sure if it's actually the best idea. She's probably the most effective anti-troop CC the army's got, true, but I've often found myself wishing I'd taken the second Evis instead when the Evis Canoness bites it. When the BW Canoness dies first, on the other hand, I've rarely felt the loss that much; it's easier to live with maybe one less casualty a round than a total inability to hurt tanks.

I would be inclined to keep the inferno pistols, too. I'm aware that they are not points efficient, but all points efficient ways of squeezing in more meltas require more points than you have to work with (or would require dropping hand flamers). If you need the extra AT, go for it.

Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
 
   
 
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