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howdy guys,

fighting my bro's 1500pt plauge marines, these guys are hard -

2 x 7 plague marines (T5, fearless, Feel no pain)
1 x rhino
1 x 7 heavy weapons squad (T5)
4 x termies (couple of Pow Fists & other power weapons)
1 x sourcerer in termie armour (general, hangs out with the termies)
1 x land raider
1 x dreadnought
7 x deamons

i have 2 army lists which i think might work, would love some feedback on the lists and any ideas how to mess these guys up.

list 1

flyrant - +1ws, +1s, wings, 2 x ST, flesh hooks,WarpBlast 147
tyrant - VC, Twin-linked dev, +1bs, +1s 149
2 x guards 90
3 x dakka fex - 2 x twin-linked dev, +1bs 339
2 x gun fex - VC, BS, +1bs, +1w 326
3 x raveners 120
3 x 6 geanstealers 288
1503

lots of big scary guys, but i'm not sure i can out shoot him. i was planning on walking forward with the dakka fexs and ground tyrant shooting, with the stealers using MC's as a sheild till close enough to charge. flyrant and raveners using cover to get close to enemy lines on turn one to hit them hard on turn 2, try and target something scary or deepstricking into trouble areas. gun fexs sit back and pick off vehicles.

list 2

flyrant - +1s, +1ws, Wings, Toxic miasma, implant atk, 2 x ST 165
tyrant - +1bs, +1s, VC, twin-linked devs 149
2 x guards 90
2 x 9 stealers or 3 x 6 stealers 288
2 x 15 hormies 300
2 x 3 warriors - +1sv, bioplasma, leaping, RC & ST 228
devil fex - +1bs, 2 x twin linked devs, spine banks 118
gun fex - +1bs, +1wound, VC, BS 163
1501

thought i'd get the flyrant to seek and destroy something scary, hormies and warriors run fast to block LOS then into combat near the flyrant. Ground tyrant and devil fex plod forward shooting with stealers in support and gun fex pick things off.

Whats the best way to turn the land raider into a mushroom cloud ? Am i best getting stuck into the termies early or leave them and concentrate on something else ? will the devil fex and ground tyrant be effective against T5 ?

any help and ideas greatly appreciated.

Looks good enough. In the second list, use your gun fex to target the Land Raider and hope for the best. If you get a chance to charge it with your Flyrant, do it.

As for outshooting them...concentrate your fire. Nidzilla has much better short range firepower, use your Dakkafexes in tandem and they should make short work of any squads. Remember to use torrent of fire to get rid of Champs etc.

Also, use your mobile elements to full effect. Plague Marines are an "elite" army- nasty but few in numbers, so they often have inadequate numbers for any given job. Flank them with your Raveners to draw out their mobile elements into the line of fire.

Might also be worth losing the Tyrant Guard to get some more Stealers, but that's a personal thing.

You're better off going with Stealer shock

Plague Marines are one of the counters to the zilla list. They can easily outshoot a dakkafex.

skyth is correct.

Nurgle marines are almost invulnerable to small arms fire.

Need heavy weapons to down nurgle marines, or close combat power weapons.

A list I gave to someone at my FLGS to build...I'm not sure which of my armies can hands down beat it. Even torrent of fire is no guarantee against it.

Correction Skyth-

A well played "Plague Marine [list] are one of the counters to the zilla list."

Important distinction. There's a lot of ways a PM player can ineffectively use his troops in a way which negates their general awesomeness against other stuff.

With tyranids...you have to keep it cheap and effective..specially against plague marines... how about this:

flying tyrant with twin linked devourers,Bskill and warpfield..
2*carnifex with Bskill,VennomCannon,twin linked devourer and extra +1 save.
3 zoantropes with warp blast...
2*15 hormies
a few raveners and sum genestealers

with plague marines...you need to get in CC.. ASAP..just stun the landraider/rhino with the vennom cannons/warp blast and charge the marines with the hormies to tie them up... then let the genestealers and the MC's do the work..