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Stupid question of the week. Played a game recently against a SW army with ven dread (strangely had two games in two weeks-more than I've played against wolves in V3 and V4). Ven dread can re-roll the roll to see who has the first move, or at least that was my interpretation. However, a counter interpretation was that the ven dread forced a re-roll by both players. As I don't have the codex since V4 whats the skinny incase this comes up again in the future.

"If a Space Wolves army includes one then it may re-roll the dice if the mission being played has a dice roll to see who gets the first turn."


Seems pretty clear "it" definitely refers to the Dreadnought and therefore the Space Wolf player.


Of course the other big issue that comes up is if the re-roll creates a tie and both players have to roll again can the Space Wolf player then use the re-roll again?

I say it is a clear 'no' but many people think it is a yes.

Does it say "dice" or "die"? I don't have the codex myself, but if it says "dice", I don't see how you can reroll just your one die and claim that you've obeyed the rule.

tegeus-Cromis wrote:Does it say "dice" or "die"? I don't have the codex myself, but if it says "dice", I don't see how you can reroll just your one die and claim that you've obeyed the rule.

Because GW regularly uses the term "dice" to describe a single die? The above quote is a quote.

tegeus-Cromis wrote:Does it say "dice" or "die"? I don't have the codex myself, but if it says "dice", I don't see how you can reroll just your one die and claim that you've obeyed the rule.

That was actually the argument used (it says dice). Typically we won't argue a point for long but will follow up after the game and I wanted to see what the consensus was.

Crap, you're right. They even talk about "a standard six-sided dice" in the intro. Sorry, my bad.

GW may misuse dice to mean one die, but if you want to play RAW {i.e., only words, not intent) then "dice" is plural and both dice must be rerolled, not just the die thrown by the SW player. On the other hand, if you want to use RAI, . . . .

JCarter wrote:GW may misuse dice to mean one die, but if you want to play RAW {i.e., only words, not intent) then "dice" is plural and both dice must be rerolled, not just the die thrown by the SW player. On the other hand, if you want to use RAI, . . . .

Incorrect. By the RAW "it" (the dreadnought) may re-roll the dice to see who goes first. Since the Dreadnought himself actually doesn't roll any dice (unless you've modelled some cool Dreadnought that rolls dice) the rule is pointless.


But assuming you can get past that ridiculous concept "it" does seem to clearly state that the space wolves player re-rolls, and since one player doesn't roll the dice for both players to see who goes first, the rule does indeed indicate that only the Space Wolf player re-rolls.

And the word "dice" can be used to designate a single die, at least in England.

Obviously the SW player gets to reroll the dice and must reroll for both players.

Any word can be misused, that doesn't make it correct.

Why is it obvious that the SW player gets to force both to re-roll? Are there other instances where one player can force both players to re-roll?

yakface wrote:
Of course the other big issue that comes up is if the re-roll creates a tie and both players have to roll again can the Space Wolf player then use the re-roll again?

You can't re-roll a re-roll. If you are tieing, you are re-rolling.

JCarter wrote:Obviously the SW player gets to reroll the dice and must reroll for both players.

Any word can be misused, that doesn't make it correct.

Very obviously...indeed...I always knew that.

So the SW player picks up both dice and re-rolls them for himself and his opponent?