Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

There is a tourney going on at a local card shop this sat and i had a few lists that i would like some ideas on. Thanks for any replies.

Option 1
HQ Grand master psychic hood master crafted power weapon 190 pts
4 termies 1 incinerator 194pts

Troops
6 knights justicar 2 psycannons 250pts
6 knights justicar incinerator 210pts

Heavy support
Land Raider smoke extra armor 258pts
Land Raider smoke extra armor 258pts
Dread TLLC ML 140pts

Option 2
HQ Grand master psychic hood master crafted power weapon 190 pts
4 termies 1 incinerator 194pts

Elite Brother captian 61pts 4 termies 1 psycannon 209pts
Elite Inquistor needle pistol ccw 2 warriors one with plasma gun 56pts
elite Vindicare assassin 110pts

Troops 4 knights 2 psycannons Justicar 200pts
Troops 4 knights 2 psycannons Justicar 200pts

Heavy support Dread tllc ml 140 pts
Heavy support Dread tllc ml 140 pts

Option 3

HQ Grand master psychic hood master crafted power weapon scourging 210 pts
5 termies 1 psycannon 255pts

Troops 6 knights justicar 2 psycannons 250pts
Troops 6 knights justicar 2 psycannons 250pts
Troops 8 knights justicar melta bombs 255pts

Heavy support Dread tllc ml 140 pts
Heavy support Dread tllc ml 140 pts

All these equal 1500pts option 1 i can only do if i pick up the land raiders this week which doesnt look possible but i might be able to borrow them from a friend and im not sure if i like taking the dread.

I am also thinking maybe dropping the dreads in 2 & 3 and taking a land raider but that would be a huge fire magnet

Option 2 and 3 i can do no problem so if any one has any suggestions let me know.

Small question-why would you replace the Grand Master's default weapon with a power weapon (even if it is Master-Crafted)? In his hands the Nemesis FW is a +2S Power Weapon that also counts as a Force Weapon.

Grey Knights Terminators are great and all of your lists have some, so keep with that.

I would lean towards options 2 or 3.

Rationale:

With option 2 you brought the Vindicare. With him you can pick out and eliminate choice targets (Assault Cannon terminators, lasconnon/plasma carriers, etc.). The problem this list has is extremely low model count (also are you sure that you can take squads of only 4 Grey Knights in the troops slot?)

Option 3 brings the extra bodies necessary to give the list some staying power. I would consider making that last squad 6 knights like the others though and bring the dual psycannons.

Both 2 & 3 also utilize the dreads you will need to fight vehicles.

Alpharius Walks wrote:The problem this list has is extremely low model count (also are you sure that you can take squads of only 4 Grey Knights in the troops slot?)

Looking at the squad's points, I think that's 4 knights AND 1 justicar for a min squad of 5. Which means almost all of the squads have an odd number in them, which personally I avoid. Even models mean they have to kill 1 more to deny it being a scoring unit.

erfunk wrote:Looking at the squad's points, I think that's 4 knights AND 1 justicar for a min squad of 5. Which means almost all of the squads have an odd number in them, which personally I avoid. Even models mean they have to kill 1 more to deny it being a scoring unit.

Whoops, I forgot the Justicars were 50 pts. I would second your suggestion that squad sizes be adjusted to even numbers unless the original poster is trying to prove to his opponents that he doesn't care about such things.

Small question-why would you replace the Grand Master's default weapon with a power weapon (even if it is Master-Crafted)? In his hands the Nemesis FW is a +2S Power Weapon that also counts as a Force Weapon.

I am sure he meant force weapon. GK squads should number six. Upgrade your term bro captain so you have two Psycannons in each term squad. Incinerators are points wasted. Landraiders should be saved for higher point values (above 1500) and two dreads with TL and missile launchers for under 1500. I only take a psychic hood against eldar as your aegis is sufficient against all else.

Well thank you for all the input.
For the grand master i replace the storm bolter with a power weapon to give him a extra ccw which gives him 6 attacks on the charge and use scourging for shooting. 6 str 6 attacks seems to work better than 5 on the charge and a stormbolter.

Lemartes is right i did mean the force weapon.

As far as squad size for troops GKs only have to take a justicar and two knights at the least.
I have tried relying on the aegis but a psychic hood can stop psychic powers like a force weapon or what that damn mephiston has and so far its worked better for me.

I have tried relying on the aegis but a psychic hood can stop psychic powers like a force weapon or what that damn mephiston has and so far its worked better for me.

Hood does not stop a Force weapon.

How? In the book it says a psychic hood allows a daemonhunter to nullify a psyker's power. Using a force weapon is a psychic power and so far the only units that can use them are psykers. So maybe i dont understand the rules completely but please let me know how it cant.

Aegis can let you stop eating a force weapon hit by ignoring the psychic power.

Hood only lets you try and stop the power from going off. If it does, you die.

So Hood first, then Aegis.

In the book you can use a psychic hood or the ageis not both. Which i read at the worst possible time trying to save my dread from a warp blast .