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Commisar
Nurgle Preacher
Krieg Engineers
Renegade Command Squad

Wow, wow, wow.


I particularly love the Renegade commander and Nurgle preacher models.


I think if anything can convince GW to push forward with a full LatD codex it would be inspiring miniatures like these put out by FW.

Woh- the Renegades are supurb.

Oh, and yeah- real engineers look like that. At least I wish I did.

All very, very cool. Those renegades make LatD look soooo awesome. Too bad there's no codex...


The only thing I think could be a bit better is the Engineers. don't get me wrong, they are all crisp sculpts and nice poses, but I think it would have been cool to have some of them carry more explosives in their hands (like they are about to use them) instead of all just carrying grenade launchers. The WWI style body armor is a nice touch though.

Still cool.

Why isn't GW doing plastics of the Kreig and the chaos renegades?

They are superb models, people love them (one gamer in Brisbane has over a company of Kreig FTW!!! ) and I'd be making an IG &/or a LATD army if they were less than the price of gold pressed latinum by weight.

The renegades are about as close as I've seen for what I imagine renegades to look like.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why isn't GW doing plastics of the Kreig and the chaos renegades?

Because GW and FW people can't play nice with each other. Or is it just GWUS that FW has a hard on for?

Wow, thats the coolest commissar model I've ever seen. Those engineers are nice and look very fluffy, though as above some more explosive charges would be nice. The renegade retinue is just nasty. If the renegades are a big success FW should really make a line of Blood Pact as they really define traitor guard and would be so nasty. They might even match the Death Korps line in coolness, well almost.

Those Renegades continue to be excellent sculpts, not a single bad one yet. How does their army list work?

George Spiggott wrote:Those Renegades continue to be excellent sculpts, not a single bad one yet. How does their army list work?

They're the 'evil ones' in Imperial Armour 5 - Siege of Vraks. Basically, they're a slightly modified doctrinal Imperial Guard army, with
'Renegades' as a new doctrine. It makes all units that count as 'renegades' have a random leadership value, set the first time they're
required to take a leadership test. Other than that, they're allowed one unit of Alpha Legion Chaos Marines (disguised as Loyalists?)
as an elite choice. And some other quirks here and there in the list.

Rather nifty, I think. I'll probably get around to add some units to my WIP IG at some point, to make them resemble heretics

al-Majid Agandhjin bin Ahfal al-Rashid

I can't seem to find an entry for Alpha Legion Chaos Marines in the Chaos Codex. Who are these mythical beasts?

Agandhjin wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Those Renegades continue to be excellent sculpts, not a single bad one yet. How does their army list work?

They're the 'evil ones' in Imperial Armour 5 - Siege of Vraks. Basically, they're a slightly modified doctrinal Imperial Guard army, with
'Renegades' as a new doctrine. It makes all units that count as 'renegades' have a random leadership value, set the first time they're
required to take a leadership test. Other than that, they're allowed one unit of Alpha Legion Chaos Marines (disguised as Loyalists?)
as an elite choice. And some other quirks here and there in the list.

Rather nifty, I think. I'll probably get around to add some units to my WIP IG at some point, to make them resemble heretics

al-Majid Agandhjin bin Ahfal al-Rashid

cannonfodr wrote:

I can't seem to find an entry for Alpha Legion Chaos Marines in the Chaos Codex. Who are these mythical beasts?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alpha_Legion - Here's the quick, short background

As for not finding them in the Chaos Space Marines Codex, I'm not sure there have ever been any set rules for them.
IA:5 states that the Alpha Legion has been working covertly with the heretics, disguised as Loyalist marines (to the point
of changing their armour and such, fitting of their infiltration skills). The unit available with the R&H (Renegades and Heretics)
list simply allows you to take 0-1 unit of 'Alpha Legion' Chaos Space Marines. They're allowed to infiltrate, and it's adviced that
you use loyalist marines painted in Alpha Legion colours if you want to represent the Siege of Vraks. Other than that, they're
regular CSMs

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why isn't GW doing plastics of the Kreig and the chaos renegades?

They are superb models, people love them (one gamer in Brisbane has over a company of Kreig FTW!!! ) and I'd be making an IG &/or a LATD army if they were less than the price of gold pressed latinum by weight.

The renegades are about as close as I've seen for what I imagine renegades to look like.

Why would they want to cheapen what is a quality army ? the whole point of forgeworld models isnt mass produced run of the mill plastics , Forgeworld are and should always be very detailed every expensive very impressive collectors level models.The stuff they produce is at a show case level and a test bed for some future GW products.If GW decided to move the production of Krieg to plastics firstly they wouldnt look anything like as good because plastic cant hold the detail that resin can ,granted they would be an improvement on the current imperial guard but they wouldnt have the detail life likeness that the forgeworld resin have and they would also be done in heroic scale and would become out of proportion like the rest of the range so not to stand out .

personally i want them left were they are, if GW need to convert anything from forgeworld to GW plastics , its the forgeworld super heavy tanks and flyers etc,Personally i think a GW plastic thunderhawk or titan at £100 should be the companies priority for next christmas.


love the new models by the way , i was wondering when FW were going to get around to releasing something new, i am betting the IA 6 is round the new year corner ?

The renegades are not LatD, they are basically IG with some new rules, as stated above.

IA Vol VI is supposed to bring in the more Chaosy elements the the seige like daemons, mutants, etc.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

cannonfodr wrote:

I can't seem to find an entry for Alpha Legion Chaos Marines in the Chaos Codex. Who are these mythical beasts?

Agandhjin wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Those Renegades continue to be excellent sculpts, not a single bad one yet. How does their army list work?

They're the 'evil ones' in Imperial Armour 5 - Siege of Vraks. Basically, they're a slightly modified doctrinal Imperial Guard army, with
'Renegades' as a new doctrine. It makes all units that count as 'renegades' have a random leadership value, set the first time they're
required to take a leadership test. Other than that, they're allowed one unit of Alpha Legion Chaos Marines (disguised as Loyalists?)
as an elite choice. And some other quirks here and there in the list.

Rather nifty, I think. I'll probably get around to add some units to my WIP IG at some point, to make them resemble heretics

al-Majid Agandhjin bin Ahfal al-Rashid

Your clever sarcasm makes me laugh...

...and yet, the sad reality of it all makes me cry too...

On a serious note, why oh why were LaTD left out of the upcoming "Daemons" codex?

What a missed opportunity for some extra sales (via standard IG kits) and happy customers...

Liking the new models. I kind of wished I'd started the renegades now. Oh btw, where are the rules for these Engineers? I have IA 5 and they aren't in there. :S

Craig

Why would they want to cheapen what is a quality army ? the whole point of forgeworld models isnt mass produced run of the mill plastics , Forgeworld are and should always be very detailed every expensive very impressive collectors level models.The stuff they produce is at a show case level and a test bed for some future GW products.If GW decided to move the production of Krieg to plastics firstly they wouldnt look anything like as good because plastic cant hold the detail that resin can ,granted they would be an improvement on the current imperial guard but they wouldnt have the detail life likeness that the forgeworld resin have and they would also be done in heroic scale and would become out of proportion like the rest of the range so not to stand out .

Aside from the elitist vibe, I do agree that Krieg can't be done justice. However, even though I bought FW crisis suits, I can see them being put in all plastic since they're pretty easy to two-piece. "Wah wah my army isn't special anymore!" Whatever, I've already converted my FW suits so they won't look run-of-the-mill anyway.

Agandhjin wrote:They're the 'evil ones' in Imperial Armour 5 - Siege of Vraks. Basically, they're a slightly modified doctrinal Imperial Guard army, with
'Renegades' as a new doctrine. It makes all units that count as 'renegades' have a random leadership value, set the first time they're
required to take a leadership test. Other than that, they're allowed one unit of Alpha Legion Chaos Marines (disguised as Loyalists?)
as an elite choice. And some other quirks here and there in the list.

Thanks, what the other four doctrines, or rather the other three that aren't Ogryns or Renegades.

The tip to use Space Marines painted as Alpha Legion seems odd, I think Chaos Marines painted as Ultramarines (or whatever) would be a better disguise.

There have been two sets of Alpha legion rules in 3rd/4th edition. The first was in the Index Astartes series of WD articles, followed by an entry in the 2nf CSM codex, p. 40. Special rules amounted to the use of Chaos Cultists, the limitation of icons to only cultist squads, restriction to mark of Chaos Undivided, infiltration for +5/1 points (ind. character/other model) that didn't count toward the max # of vet skills.

George Spiggott wrote:

The tip to use Space Marines painted as Alpha Legion seems odd, I think Chaos Marines painted as Ultramarines (or whatever) would be a better disguise.

In the Index Astartes article, it did suggest that Alpha Legion would use loyalist colors and battlecries ('For the Emperor!' 'Repent for tomorrow you die!' etc.) as a way of sowing confusion among the ranks (Joe Guardsmen: "Wait, I thought the Space Marines were our allies? Why are they attacking us?" Sarge: "Shoot anything in power armor!"), so painting up 'Ultramarines' would be pretty nifty and thematically appropriate.

The Krieg stuff looks great: love the GLs!

Wow, I am totally impressed with FW's Stuff, I just wish it wasn't so expensive!

I have a tone of Cadian legs left over, so maybe I should look into Chaos militia.

I love, absolutely love that Commissar!

Thanks,
Chappy P!

Flagg07 wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why isn't GW doing plastics of the Kreig and the chaos renegades?

Because GW and FW people can't play nice with each other. Or is it just GWUS that FW has a hard on for?

it's GWUs and FW that have issues.

FW do what GWUK tell them.

at this time, GW feels they are making more money off of the Krieg players by making them go to FW.

the commisar looks great, n fact they al do,

Had issues. That was long ago. As in years.

I would imagine right now that Kreig are FW's realm. They started it, and are putting out books based around it. Doesn't mean at a later time GW won't release something ,but right now it would be stepping on each others feet. Why compete within the company? As you notice a lot of good ideas eventually do make way to GW, it just takes awhile.

Those ain't grenade launchers on the Krieg Engineers. They're pump-action, rotary shotguns!

Toreador wrote:Had issues. That was long ago. As in years.

I would imagine right now that Kreig are FW's realm. They started it, and are putting out books based around it. Doesn't mean at a later time GW won't release something ,but right now it would be stepping on each others feet. Why compete within the company? As you notice a lot of good ideas eventually do make way to GW, it just takes awhile.

Did the FW figs come out before GW did rules for them? I seem to
recall converted Steel Legion troopers providing the inspiration for the
Death Korps.

Toreador wrote:Had issues.

Still -have- issues. Try getting FW from GW US.

Be informed.

Damn. Very happy to see FW make some headway through the piles of money GeeDub has sent their way with APOC and put out some new stuff

Renegade command is groovy, but the nurgle preacher with hood is rock solid.

What do the engineers do in game? Digging them regardless!

- Salvage